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Title: A case for McMillin
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 10, 2016, 10:18:36 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/08/us/politics/national-security-letter-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 11, 2016, 06:40:38 AM
Two things.

These are all people that will be left out of a Trump administration.  Life long political animals and policy wonks.

I find it interesting that they would back Hillary with her proven email issues and lack of concern over the security of classified information.  Seems a bit strange to me.

Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2016, 07:06:13 AM
Two things.

These are all people that will be left out of a Trump administration.  Life long political animals and policy wonks.

I find it interesting that they would back Hillary with her proven email issues and lack of concern over the security of classified information.  Seems a bit strange to me.

 You bring up an excellent point.  The DC Elite Politicals stand to lose a lot of ground under Trump whereas under Hillary it will remain "status quo".

 The struggle we are now seeing within the elites are their loses, not the public.  Even the MSM will lose under Trump because without political correctness to use as a cover they are becoming exposed.
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 11, 2016, 05:46:49 PM
Julian Assange just stated at a Green Party Convention, "Choosing between Clinton and Trump is like choosing between cholera and gonorrhea."

Well, yes.  We just need to decide which symptoms would be more bearable. 

But I do NOT think we can predict in any way what Trump will do.  We can WISH he would do certain things, but we do not know that he will, for example, depose the elite, career politicians or even destroy or impede the leftists. 
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Dav8or on August 11, 2016, 10:25:28 PM
...or even destroy or impede the leftists.

Do you really want them to destroy the leftists? I personally do not want to see the left destroyed. They keep the right in check. It's true that they are winning right now and need to be kicked down several pegs, but to truly destroy the left, you would have to go into the hospital nursery and shoot every other baby in the head having some kind of special knowledge that would let you know which ones were to be leftists.

People are either wired left, or right, or a blend between. They are just born that way.
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: bflynn on August 12, 2016, 12:52:24 AM
People are not born with a political affiliation and the problem is not left and right, it is extreme left and extreme right. The system of dividing people into voting districts breeds fanatical politicians and rabid followers of those politicians.  The problem with fanatics are that they see the solution being what they already know and compromise is forbidden lest you become at all like your evil opponent.

Meanwhile the majority in the middle feel...no, are disenfranchised. Nobody is there for them. No matter who gets elected, the middle is left out. Maybe the low voter turnout in the US is due to the high number of unrepresented moderates?
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: bflynn on August 12, 2016, 01:10:35 AM
Well, yes.  We just need to decide which symptoms would be more bearable. 

Clown or Crook?  Which will be less destructive to the Republic?
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Dav8or on August 12, 2016, 11:09:18 AM
People are not born with a political affiliation and the problem is not left and right, it is extreme left and extreme right.

I would disagree, but that would be an interesting study by psychologists if they haven't already. People are born with certain character types and nothing their parents do can change this. Certain character types gravitate left and some gravitate right and with all things in nature, there are many, many shades of grey in-between.

Actually, I just Googled- "Are political leanings determined at birth?" and got lots of hits on the subject. Here is just one.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/)
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2016, 12:15:28 PM
People are not born with a political affiliation and the problem is not left and right, it is extreme left and extreme right. The system of dividing people into voting districts breeds fanatical politicians and rabid followers of those politicians.  The problem with fanatics are that they see the solution being what they already know and compromise is forbidden lest you become at all like your evil opponent.

Meanwhile the majority in the middle feel...no, are disenfranchised. Nobody is there for them. No matter who gets elected, the middle is left out. Maybe the low voter turnout in the US is due to the high number of unrepresented moderates?
Bullshit. The middle, the moderates, the late deciders, or whatever you call yourselves, are the ones most pandered to and romanced in an election.  The rest of us are taken for granted.
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 12, 2016, 05:46:45 PM
Do you really want them to destroy the leftists? I personally do not want to see the left destroyed. They keep the right in check. It's true that they are winning right now and need to be kicked down several pegs, but to truly destroy the left, you would have to go into the hospital nursery and shoot every other baby in the head having some kind of special knowledge that would let you know which ones were to be leftists.

People are either wired left, or right, or a blend between. They are just born that way.
I should have said the leftist agenda.  Really, it needs to be vaporized.  I agree that balance is needed in terms of personality types, but the intoleristas won't let us have it.  Balance would require that they consider the conservative or even moderate view.  The ones in power don't do that.  Ready photon torpedoes, Mr. Warf .....
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 12, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
Bullshit. The middle, the moderates, the late deciders, or whatever you call yourselves, are the ones most pandered to and romanced in an election.  The rest of us are taken for granted.
That is shifting, I think.  I hope. 
Title: Re: A case for McMillin
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2016, 06:46:10 PM
That is shifting, I think.  I hope.
I hope your right, but I doubt it.  Wait for Hillary to reeeeeally begin to pander to Bernie supporters with free shit and extreme hatred for the more well off.