PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Mr Pou on August 16, 2016, 08:12:20 AM
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As designed and intended, is imploding.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/08/16/aetna-obamacare-exchanges-affordable-care-act/88819028/
And the sheeple will eventually beg the government for a single payer HC system. Yay us!
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As designed and intended, is imploding.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/08/16/aetna-obamacare-exchanges-affordable-care-act/88819028/
And the sheeple will eventually beg the government for a single payer HC system. Yay us!
of course. Singe payer must be the way to go.
No one can explain why single payer is necessary or even useful, but it must be good, right?
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But ...but ... Read the whole article! The risk pool is improving! All will be well! Our amniotic sea of government nurture is just having a few growing pains ..
Like other insurers, the company blamed its withdrawal on a pool of exchange participants that has turned out to be heavier users of their insurance plans than previously predicted. Insurers need healthy plan members to off set sick patients to balance the books.
Kevin Counihan, CEO of the government's Marketplace exchanges, said Obamacare is developing an "improving risk pool."
"Aetna’s decision to alter its Marketplace participation does not change the fundamental fact that the Health Insurance Marketplace will continue to bring quality coverage to millions of Americans next year and every year after that," he said in a statement. "It’s no surprise that companies are adapting at different rates to a market where they compete for business on cost and quality rather than by denying coverage to people with preexisting conditions."
The move also comes amid a fight between Aetna and the U.S. Justice Department over the government's lawsuit attempting to block the company's acquisition of insurer Humana. The government has said the deal violates anti-trust laws, but Aetna has said it will lower costs and improve choice.
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"Aetna’s decision to alter its Marketplace participation does not change the fundamental fact that the Health Insurance Marketplace will continue to bring quality coverage to millions of Americans at the point of a federal gun next year and every year after that,"
FTFH
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Singe payer must be the way to go.
Every single time a leftists says "Single Payer!" you should just say "So, VA for Everyone"?
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But ...but ... Read the whole article! The risk pool is improving!
It's cheaper for the healthy young to pay the tax than buy insurance. The only way to improve the risk pool is to make the no insurance tax extremely painful.
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"Aetna’s decision to alter its Marketplace participation does not change the fundamental fact that the Health Insurance Marketplace will continue to bring quality coverage to millions of Americans at the point of a federal gun next year and every year after that,"
FTFH
The left doesn't view single payer as government run health care. It's health care that they, the smart ones, are going to do right and better than anyone else has ever done it. Sure, it will be run by the government but they're going to make it better.
And there doesn't seem to be any way to shatter their illusion. Even reality doesn't clue them in, they still think they're be better.
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And there doesn't seem to be any way to shatter their illusion.
VA for ALL
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It's cheaper for the healthy young to pay the tax than buy insurance. The only way to improve the risk pool is to make the no insurance tax extremely painful.
Or - and bear with me, this is a radical idea - allow young people to buy ala carte catastrophic health insurance, and pocket the difference.
You know, kind of like to good old days.
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VA for ALL
Even reality doesn't clue them in.
Meanwhile you and I have to suffer with VA style medicine.
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It's cheaper for the healthy young to pay the tax than buy insurance. The only way to improve the risk pool is to make the no insurance tax extremely painful.
That's the "only way"?
There are many ways to improve the risk pool.
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That's the "only way"?
There are many ways to improve the risk pool.
Without resorting to "others are more stupid than I am and need to do what I say"....how?
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Without resorting to "others are more stupid than I am and need to do what I say"....how?
healthier living for everyone would improve the risk pool
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healthier living for everyone would improve the risk pool
Yes it would.
But I said without resorting to "everyone else is stupid and needs to do as I say". You are not smarter than everyone else and you are not more gifted than everyone else. Your choices are just as likely to be wrong for them because you aren't making the optimal choice with their life, their history, their goals and their personality in mind. You are doing it based on your ego and what your goals are.
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healthier living for everyone would improve the risk pool
But then we would just be setting ourselves up for an even older population which would require much more in the way of long-term care.
If we were to encourage a riskier life style for everyone, then only the strongest would survive and the gene pool would be improved. With a stronger gene pool comes a lower risk pool.
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But then we would just be setting ourselves up for an even older population which would require much more in the way of long-term care.
If we were to encourage a riskier life style for everyone, then only the strongest would survive and the gene pool would be improved. With a stronger gene pool comes a lower risk pool.
Henning? ;)
Good long term plan which means it will never be implemented in this sound bite world.
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Yes it would.
But I said without resorting to "everyone else is stupid and needs to do as I say". You are not smarter than everyone else and you are not more gifted than everyone else. Your choices are just as likely to be wrong for them because you aren't making the optimal choice with their life, their history, their goals and their personality in mind. You are doing it based on your ego and what your goals are.
I know what you said, and my reply certainly isn't in the "everyone else is stupid and needs to do as I say" category.
I don't know where you get "you are doing it based on your ego and what your goals are"
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Your prescriptive is dictating the goal everyone else should have, whether you recognize it or not.
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Your prescriptive is dictating the goal everyone else should have, whether you recognize it or not.
Assuming you were responding to my post...If that's what you think, then you are not understanding my point, and assuming things that I did not say.
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So your post that said that if people were healthier then the risk would be lower wasn't recommending a goal that people be healthier?
I won't say "my mistake" because I can't figure out any other way to read it.
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So your post that said that if people were healthier then the risk would be lower wasn't recommending a goal that people be healthier?
I won't say "my mistake" because I can't figure out any other way to read it.
While all this talk of becoming healthier to improve the risk pool is nice, what they're really wanting is a lot of healthy people to buy insurance to help pay for the sick people. "Improving the risk pool" == bring in more cash.
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While all this talk of becoming healthier to improve the risk pool is nice, what they're really wanting is a lot of healthy people to buy insurance to help pay for the sick people. "Improving the risk pool" == bring in more cash.
Which just goes to further prove that having academics with zero business experience in the Executive branch making policy is a recipe for disaster.
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Which just goes to further prove that having academics with zero business experience in the Executive branch making policy is a recipe for disaster.
No, it's exactly what they want, it fits the leftist agenda perfectly. Are you healthy? Well, then, we're going to tax you to help those poor unhealthy souls.
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No, it's exactly what they want, it fits the leftist agenda perfectly. Are you healthy? Well, then, we're going to tax you to help those poor unhealthy souls.
Well, what I was getting at was the expectation by the Obamaholics that young healthy people would simply willingly pay into the pool by buying insurance, infusing liquidity into the Ponzi scheme. An academic thinks that is just a wonderful dynamic. Anyone with real business experience would know that with human nature, people will pay as little as possible, even going so far as paying a fine - sorry, I mean "tax", Justice Roberts - instead of paying for an unaffordable policy with unaffordable deductibles.
A clusterfuck beyond all belief.
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Well, what I was getting at was the expectation by the Obamaholics that young healthy people would simply willingly pay into the pool by buying insurance, infusing liquidity into the Ponzi scheme. An academic thinks that is just a wonderful dynamic. Anyone with real business experience would know that with human nature, people will pay as little as possible, even going so far as paying a fine - sorry, I mean "tax", Justice Roberts - instead of paying for an unaffordable policy with unaffordable deductibles.
A clusterfuck beyond all belief.
Fuck Obama, Fuck Pelosi, Fuck Reid, Fuck every Democrat in the 111th Congress, and Fuck Roberts. And Fuck the people who voted for them.
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If it's a single payer system then the President and Congress won't need their plans anymore, right? They'll be covered just like the rest of us.
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If it's a single payer system then the President and Congress won't need their plans anymore, right? They'll be covered just like the rest of us.
Federal Official's Creedo: Not for me, but for Thee.
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Fuck Obama, Fuck Pelosi, Fuck Reid, Fuck every Democrat in the 111th Congress, and Fuck Roberts. And Fuck the people who voted for them.
No need to worry, congress holds the purse strings and can simply defund Obamacare. Just leave it up to Speaker Ryan, he'll take care of it.
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No need to worry, congress holds the purse strings and can simply defund Obamacare. Just leave it up to Speaker Ryan, he'll take care of it.
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No need to worry, congress holds the purse strings and can simply defund Obamacare. Just leave it up to Speaker Ryan, he'll take care of it.
Actually, Obamacare is mandated spending. It will take a new law to stop spending the money. That means Obama would have to sign it.