PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on December 02, 2016, 07:02:23 AM
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...and liberals, what is your most conservative position?
Got this idea from Reddit. Feel free to post one or a few. I'll post mine under separate cover.
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The most Liberal position I used to hold was support for civil unions for gays/lesbians.
They fucked that up by insisting on gay marriage and bullying anyone who does not support them.
That put me on to where the whole slippery slope argument originated from - I have no classically Liberal positions anymore.
'Gimp
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Drugs and prostitution should be legal. I wish to participate in neither, but if you do I'd rather know about your legal activity than have you hide your illegal activity.
But keep in mind that I do not consider myself a conservative.
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Probably LBGT and marijuana. The former, if that's your lifestyle, go for it, it doesn't bother me a bit. And I don't consider MJ any worse than smoking or using alcohol. I'd rather see it taxed and regulated just as tobacco/alcohol is.
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Probably LBGT and marijuana. The former, if that's your lifestyle, go for it, it doesn't bother me a bit. And I don't consider MJ any worse than smoking or using alcohol. I'd rather see it taxed and regulated just as tobacco/alcohol is.
Those are two of my top ones too.
But here is where I really get conservatives mad at me: I am not against abortion.
Note: I didn't say I was FOR abortion, but I don't think it is the Federal governments decision. There are too many variables in each case. I think this is an issue that should be left to States.
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I suppose it would help to first define "liberal"
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But here is where I really get conservatives mad at me: I am not against abortion.
I'm there as well, what a woman does with her body and unborn child is all on her, the father, and her spirituality. I don't think the government should have any say in the matter.
Call me socially liberal, fiscally/militarily/constitutionally conservative. And, as such, no candidate is ever a perfect fit for me.
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I agree with most of the other conservative/libertarians. Personal stuff? LGBT, drugs, abortion, etc should all be up to the individual. Government should NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY of these issues. The war on drugs has cost TRILLIONS, and just succeeded in creating huge law enforcement, government bureaucracies.
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As a Liberal, my most conservative positions are:
- I'm pro Second Amendment (edit: not so much because I love guns, but because The Constitution)
- I detest the snowflake culture
- I believe our FedGov is fiscally out of control and that this needs fixing
- I believe we need drastic welfare reform
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I suppose it would help to first define "liberal"
Nah, just roll with it. 8)
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I'm for abortion. I'm not for taxpayers paying for it.
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I use the same test for beginning of life as end of life. An EEG can detect brain function and that is what is often used for end of life decision so let do it to start with. Given that I'm ok with abortion before but not after that point. I'm for gay marriage but also for the right of others to not support it. I believe in helping out those who can't take care of themselves but not those who don't feel the need to take care of themselves. I think drugs should be legal for adults but not for kids as I don't think they can make good decisions about themselves. Defining what a kid is, is a lot tougher question.
that's what comes to mine now, there may be others.
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I think what would prevent me from having any "most liberal" position is the fact that I don't automatically think that "government" is the required agent for most things.
If two people want to live in sin, have at it. Government doesn't any place in that. Just don't make others have to celebrate that immorality.
If someone wants to poison their body with drugs, have at it. Just don't infringe the rights of others. I think doing drugs is one of the dumbest things to do. It's monumentally stupid. But I don't need government dictating common sense (has the government ever been successful at that?)
Helping others is a key Christian directive. It seems to me that the liberal thinks that government must be the source of that help. I don't. Government has proven to be completely incompetent at helping people. In fact, government "help" is normally counterproductive.
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I, too, thought gays would respect others' wishes not to support or participate in their marriages. I wouldn't mind civil unions, never did, but DO mind the definition of marriage being changed for everyone.
I believe that if you cannot be sure of whether something is a "life" or not, you shouldn't kill it. You know, like when you're hunting. You don't shoot unless you are sure what you are shooting at is what you think it is. If unsure, you don't execute.
That said, I don't think abortion should be illegal, but I don't think it should be promoted, and I don't think it should have risen to the level of political tool that it has. Just regulate it like any other health procedure, make sure clinics are inspected and up to snuff, that sort of thing. And do NOT keep abortions secret from parents of girls under 18. Also, wider publication of the downsides of abortion would be very informative. There are many horrible drawbacks to the choice to abort. But because of its politicism, they are hidden.
Keep the government small, don't coddle, and don't create and maintain systems that create more poor.
I am moderate, leaning right.
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With so many people saying the same thing, how can there be so much disagreement?
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Wow. So many people not standing up for the baby, who gets no choice in the matter. How sad.
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Wow. So many people not standing up for the baby, who gets no choice in the matter. How sad.
Stan, I agree in principle, but the reality is pretty stark, too. I took this up in the Mother/Baby thread.
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Wow. So many people not standing up for the baby, who gets no choice in the matter. How sad.
This is why I tried to branch the abortion discussions to a new thread.
Wherever it is discussed, it will go on for pages and at the end it will come down to everyone does stand up for the baby. They just don't agree when it is a baby.
It is probably too late for this thread, but please don't turn it into an abortion discussion.
I think a lot of people do agree on the basic things. Is that because all the Lefties are gone or because the basic cultural truths cause us to agree?