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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2016, 08:44:46 AM

Title: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2016, 08:44:46 AM
I'm finding this fire very troubling. I've heard some things saying that this building had lots of code violations.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oakland-fire-probe-20161205-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/us/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-warehouse.html?_r=0

Is this not one of the things that we count on Government to police?  From the articles this has been a problem since 2014 at least.  Seems like the owner is going to hang for this, but what about the government for allowing this to exist?  Should they not hang also?

Discuss.
Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: You Only Live Twice on December 06, 2016, 08:51:18 AM
I'm finding this fire very troubling. I've heard some things saying that this building had lots of code violations.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oakland-fire-probe-20161205-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/us/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-warehouse.html?_r=0

Is this not one of the things that we count on Government to police?  From the articles this has been a problem since 2014 at least.  Seems like the owner is going to hang for this, but what about the government for allowing this to exist?  Should they not hang also?

Discuss.

Government never hangs. Mind your betters.
Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: Bob Noel on December 06, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
so the Government is responsible for stupid, dangerous, or illegal behavior?

Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 06, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Devastating landslide in my state (see Oso landslide) killed many who built homes on land determined by geologic testing to be unsafe. Developers were allowed to sell lots there by the county anyway, and now the county is being sued by victims' families.
Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
so the Government is responsible for stupid, dangerous, or illegal behavior?

No, but don't you think they should have shut this place down long ago?
Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: Bob Noel on December 06, 2016, 10:23:53 AM
No, but don't you think they should have shut this place down long ago?

Yep.

But the responsibility for the loss of life and property does not lie with the government.

Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Yep.

But the responsibility for the loss of life and property does not lie with the government.


I tend to think that on a municipality that was not a haven for the left this would have been shut down much sooner.  I'm guessing this was allowed to continue on to not make waves.  Those are just my feelings.


BTW, I did indicate I believe the the principal in this will hang. 


Are we saying that government never bears any responsibility for letting something like this exist?
Title: Re: Ghost Ship Fire
Post by: Anthony on December 06, 2016, 09:52:31 PM
Are we saying that government never bears any responsibility for letting something like this exist?

Government can not, and should not be able to be at all places at all times.  Risks are allowed because of economic realities.  Look at the number of traffic deaths we allow each year.  You can't have total safety.  Also, we don't know if the owner paid off government bureaucrats to look the other way.  It happens all the time.