PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: MarkZ on December 09, 2016, 03:37:41 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/08/im-the-union-leader-donald-trump-attacked-im-tired-of-being-lied-to-about-our-jobs/?postshare=7121481230576572&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.1eafc766928b
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I’m a union leader in Indianapolis. I represent the Carrier workers whose jobs Donald Trump has pledged to save. And I’m tired of being lied to.
In February, corporate officials came to our plant and announced that they were closing the facility. They would move 1,300 jobs to a plant in Mexico. (Three hundred and fifty positions would remain in Indianapolis, mostly filled by research and development staff.)
Over the next several months, my team and I worked tirelessly to keep Carrier in our city. We came up with $23 million in savings, but the Carrier brass said that wasn’t enough. They could save $65 million by moving to Mexico. We couldn’t match that unless we were willing to cut wages to $5/hour and cut all benefits.
So we started to negotiate a severance package instead — one week of pay for every year of service, a $2,500 lump sum for every employee and free health care for six months.
Then, a couple of weeks ago, Trump got involved. He sat down with Carrier leaders. Afterward, he announced that 1,100 jobs would be saved. When I first heard the news, I was optimistic. But I began to get nervous when we couldn’t get any details on the deal. I urged caution, but our members got their hopes up. They thought their jobs had been saved.
When I met with Carrier officials last Thursday, I realized that that wouldn’t be the case. Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.
Trump didn’t tell people that, though. When he spoke at our plant, he acted like no one was going to lose their job. People went crazy for him. They thought, because of Trump, I’m going to be able to provide for my family.
All the while, I’m sitting there, thinking that’s not what the damn numbers say. Trump let people believe that they were going to have a livelihood in that facility. He let people breathe easy. When I told our members the next day, they were devastated.
I was angry, too. So I told a Washington Post reporter the truth — that Trump’s 1,100 number was wrong. When Trump read my comments, he got angry. Last night, he tweeted:
Now our office is getting phone calls and emails from people who are mad that I called Trump on his dishonesty. One man left five messages (though when I called him back and told him who I was, he hung up the phone). Some people have suggested that Trump didn’t mean to lie, he just got the numbers wrong. But I know that’s not true. On the campaign trail, Trump made perfectly clear how excellent a negotiator he is. I have negotiated hundreds of contracts. I know that if I’m going to have a fighting chance, I better damn well know the numbers.
To be honest, the attention isn’t a big deal. I’ve been doing this job for 30 years. In that time, people have threatened to shoot me, to burn my house down. I’m not a macho man, but I’m just used to it.
What I can’t abide, however, is a president who misleads workers, who gives them false hope. We’re not asking for anything besides opportunity, for jobs that let people provide for their families. These plants are profitable, and the workers produced a good-quality product. Because of corporate greed, though, company leaders are racing to the bottom, to find places where they can pay the least. It’s a system that exploits everyone.
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Of course what is left out of your story Mark is that Carrier decided not to move the factory to Mexico just as Trump said. the jobs that will be lost will be due to automation which is the only way the factory can compete. In this story on CNN Money it says that manufacturing is up 150% in the last 40 years but the work force is down 30% due to automation
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/companies/carrier-jobs-automation/
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Of course what is left out of your story Mark is that Carrier decided not to move the factory to Mexico just as Trump said. the jobs that will be lost will be due to automation which is the only way the factory can compete. In this story on CNN Money it says that manufacturing is up 150% in the last 40 years but the work force is down 30% due to automation
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/companies/carrier-jobs-automation/
Well John... you have to remember the President-elect speaks figuratively, not literally. He has made some pretty big and easy to define promises, somewhere along the line he has to deliver. The President-elect has clearly stated he is going to create 25 million new jobs, though various measures. The Carrier deal is a big public relations win for him. It really doesn't matter that 500 or 1000 jobs were saved, what is important from the President-elect's view is "brand".. In 6 months, no one will remember the number, just the publicity that surrounds it.
The CNN article rightly mentions automation as a leading cause of job loss. That is true. In this day and age, if one doesn't have a skill uniquely human (creativity, technical ability, etc.), your job may be replaced by a machine.
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President elect talks to Carrier and works out a deal to keep some jobs here in the U.S of A. Union boss gets a case of butt hurt because he wasn't able to get anything done and now he looks the fool as well as the current President who just says that these jobs moving out of country is the new normal.
State loses $7M in revenue for a time but saves having to pay out $10M in unemployment.
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State loses $7M in revenue for a time but saves having to pay out $10M in unemployment.
And gets the taxes paid by employed people.
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Corrupt liberals would far rather the poor become poorer as long as everyone except them become poorer also.
Somehow those in control of communist, socialist and marxist regimes always end up rich...
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Carrier was just a public relations effort. Who knows the actual reality, and economics of their situation except for their CFO, and upper management. However, PR can be contagious, and create an environment of economic positives. If people BELIEVE our government is now trying to keep, and CREATE jobs in the U.S. it will create a mood of optimism.
The real cause of our much needed economic expansion, after eight years or more of malaise is for government to GET OUT OF THE WAY so U.S. business can flourish, and create jobs, and wealth. Less unneeded regulations, and lower tax rates are a start.
Unions are an off shoot of COMMUNISM, and are no longer relevant. For the United States Steel Workers UNION President to say Trump is creating false hope is just COUNTERPRODUCTIVE NON SENSE. False hope is better than NO HOPE MORON. Create an environment of positive outcomes, and just see what people can do. Our economy will roar solely because the people want it to.
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Carrier was just a public relations effort. Who knows the actual reality, and economics of their situation except for their CFO, and upper management. However, PR can be contagious, and create an environment of economic positives. If people BELIEVE our government is now trying to keep, and CREATE jobs in the U.S. it will create a mood of optimism.
The real cause of our much needed economic expansion, after eight years or more of malaise is for government to GET OUT OF THE WAY so U.S. business can flourish, and create jobs, and wealth. Less unneeded regulations, and lower tax rates are a start.
Unions are an off shoot of COMMUNISM, and are no longer relevant. For the United States Steel Workers UNION President to say Trump is creating false hope is just COUNTERPRODUCTIVE NON SENSE. False hope is better than NO HOPE MORON. Create an environment of positive outcomes, and just see what people can do. Our economy will roar solely because the people want it to.
Wasn't Obama the King of false "hope"? And wasn't it Hillary that said of Obama "Hope is not a strategy".
The difference between Obama and Trump has to do with the word "false"
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Wasn't Obama the King of false "hope"? And wasn't it Hillary that said of Obama "Hope is not a strategy".
The difference between Obama and Trump has to do with the word "false"
Obama is not a doer, he is a campaigner/talker. He campaigned, and fund raised for the eight years in office. That is really all he did was talk, and get Obamacare passed. A HUGE failure. All Obama, and the Democrats can do is talk about hope, and "change".
Trump is a doer. He is already doing things, and he isn't even in office yet.
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President elect talks to Carrier and works out a deal to keep some jobs here in the U.S of A. Union boss gets a case of butt hurt because he wasn't able to get anything done and now he looks the fool as well as the current President who just says that these jobs moving out of country is the new normal.
State loses $7M in revenue for a time but saves having to pay out $10M in unemployment.
Until plans for automation take away those saved jobs and the rest of unemployment gets paid down the road. They get to keep the tax break and layoff the workers but keep some production in Indiana. Sounds like Carrier made a good deal. If I was the Union boss I'd be butt hurt for sure after Trump only postponed half the workers losing jobs in the short term and is making out like he saved everyone's job in time for Christmas like jolly ol Santa.
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The sky is falling The sky is falling, we are all doomed. Run away, run away.
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Until plans for automation take away those saved jobs and the rest of unemployment gets paid down the road. They get to keep the tax break and layoff the workers but keep some production in Indiana. Sounds like Carrier made a good deal. If I was the Union boss I'd be butt hurt for sure after Trump only postponed half the workers losing jobs in the short term and is making out like he saved everyone's job in time for Christmas like jolly ol Santa.
How many jobs did Boss Hogg save for his members?
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Until plans for automation take away those saved jobs and the rest of unemployment gets paid down the road. They get to keep the tax break and layoff the workers but keep some production in Indiana. Sounds like Carrier made a good deal. If I was the Union boss I'd be butt hurt for sure after Trump only postponed half the workers losing jobs in the short term and is making out like he saved everyone's job in time for Christmas like jolly ol Santa.
Squirm,
Spin,
Squirm,
Spin some more.
Good boy Witmo.
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How many jobs did Boss Hogg save for his members?
Who's Boss Hogg? Referring to your metaphor.
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Who's Boss Hogg? Referring to your metaphor.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_Hogg
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What would you expect a union boss to say? They are all far left, lock step Democrats. They support Dems, they donate to Dems, and strong arm their members to do the same, and vote Dem. Typically they have succeeded. It seems for this past election, many of their members went off the reservation for once. Happened with Reagan too. Now it is sour grapes, Too bad unions. You're continuously losing power, and membership. Trump just shined the light on it a bit more than you wanted.
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"And I’m tired of being lied to."
That's funny, that's what the union members who voted for Trump said.
It was the direct failure of Democrats to preserve union jobs that tipped the scales for Donald Trump.
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Squirm,
Spin,
Squirm,
Spin some more.
Good boy Witmo.
Whoa, slow down spunky, seems you're the one who's spinning out of control. You really think it's time to start chanting "All hail Trump, All hail Trump" 700 jobs saved, see I told you so.... Really, you're really saying this was more than a publicity stunt and even less for the Carrier workers who are still losing their jobs despite Trump's promise? I'll still keep an open mind but it will take more than something like this to save the coal industry or bring back steel production in this country. Or taking Trump too literal again? It's way too soon for y'all to be hailing the savior.
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You have an interesting definition of "open mind"
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Whoa, slow down spunky, seems you're the one who's spinning out of control. You really think it's time to start chanting "All hail Trump, All hail Trump" 700 jobs saved, see I told you so.... Really, you're really saying this was more than a publicity stunt and even less for the Carrier workers who are still losing their jobs despite Trump's promise? I'll still keep an open mind but it will take more than something like this to save the coal industry or bring back steel production in this country. Or taking Trump too literal again? It's way too soon for y'all to be hailing the savior.
Trump is doing more than just saving a few Carrier jobs. He is creating an environment that says AMERICA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS. He is telling us he is going to create a better economic, and business climate through less, unnecessary regulation, lower tax rates, and trade deals that are more fair for America. He is meeting with industry CEO's even tech, an industry that 100% (or nearly) supported Hillary vocally, and with millions of dollars.
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700 jobs saved
It is a start. As opposed to Hillary would have done....what?
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Trump is doing more than just saving a few Carrier jobs. He is creating an environment that says AMERICA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS. He is telling us he is going to create a better economic, and business climate through less, unnecessary regulation, lower tax rates, and trade deals that are more fair for America. He is meeting with industry CEO's even tech, an industry that 100% (or nearly) supported Hillary vocally, and with millions of dollars.
This is the kind of Climate Change I can believe in. And it's 100% man-made (or ze-made to be PC.)
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He saved "FA", all he did was delay the inevitable... then takes credit for Sprint..... give me a break