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Title: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 23, 2016, 10:39:06 AM
We just spent some time over coffee looking for them ...

Basically, all we could see was that stat that came out about 4% of HRC voters regretting voting for her, versus 1% of Trump voters regretting their vote.

Please post signs here that you find!
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: PaulS on December 23, 2016, 10:53:12 AM
http://www.infowars.com/trumpocalypse-suddenly-liberals-are-the-ones-stockpiling-food-guns-and-emergency-supplies/
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Little Joe on December 23, 2016, 11:00:20 AM
We have all joked about "Uncle Joe", but I have always sort of liked the man, if not his politics.  I do think he understands people.
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He (Biden) recalled watching a Trump rally in Pennsylvania near where he grew up and thinking, “Son of a gun. We may lose this election.”

Biden told the L.A. Times, “They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

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In his strongest comments yet on why Hillary Clinton lost the election, the outgoing veep who prides himself on his blue-collar roots in Scranton, Pa., said his party failed to connect with working-class, largely white, voters.
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“I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we understood their problems,” he reportedly said.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html

If Trump flops and if Biden's health holds up, I suspect he could win in 2020.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Witmo on December 23, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
We just spent some time over coffee looking for them ...

Basically, all we could see was that stat that came out about 4% of HRC voters regretting voting for her, versus 1% of Trump voters regretting their vote.

Please post signs here that you find!

All that means is 99% of Trump voters are denser than 96% Hillary supporters.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Lucifer on December 23, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
All that means is 99% of Trump voters are denser than 96% Hillary supporters.

Man, the vitriol you spew is unreal.  Get over it.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: PaulS on December 23, 2016, 11:26:42 AM
All that means is 99% of Trump voters are denser than 96% Hillary supporters.

Lol, it means you need to start saying President Trump Jan. 20th.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 23, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
All that means is 99% of Trump voters are denser than 96% Hillary supporters.
Well, that's a viewpoint. Please continue to point out what you believe supports the thread title!
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 23, 2016, 11:33:47 AM
WSJ, via a blog link:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/12/it-wasnt-just-democrats.html







Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: asechrest on December 23, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
A bunch of Democrats got a clue even before the election. That's part of why Trump won.  :D
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: bflynn on December 24, 2016, 05:28:40 AM
We have all joked about "Uncle Joe", but I have always sort of liked the man, if not his politics.  I do think he understands people.

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“I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we understood their problems,” he reportedly said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html

If Trump flops and if Biden's health holds up, I suspect he could win in 2020.

Well, he is the closest so far. But isn't enough to imderstand the problems if you do not do something about them.  Hillary could have understood that American jobs are going overseas and that our manufacturing sector is dying but unless she has solid ways to fix it then the understanding does not matter.

Hillary lost because her anti-industrial message combined with Trump's "jobs, jobs, jobs" message turned about 700,000 voters in WI, MI and PA.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Anthony on December 24, 2016, 05:43:01 AM
Well, he is the closest so far. But isn't enough to imderstand the problems if you do not do something about them.  Hillary could have understood that American jobs are going overseas and that our manufacturing sector is dying but unless she has solid ways to fix it then the understanding does not matter.

Hillary lost because her anti-industrial message combined with Trump's "jobs, jobs, jobs" message turned about 700,000 voters in WI, MI and PA.

The Democrat platform has been hijacked by the Green movement, and has caused them to be anti fossil fuel, and anti industrial, therefore anti economic growth which means less JOBS.  People finally realized that.  Hillary promised to kill Coal Industry jobs.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 24, 2016, 09:20:21 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html

If Trump flops and if Biden's health holds up, I suspect he could win in 2020.


Well, he is the closest so far. But isn't enough to imderstand the problems if you do not do something about them.  Hillary could have understood that American jobs are going overseas and that our manufacturing sector is dying but unless she has solid ways to fix it then the understanding does not matter.

Hillary lost because her anti-industrial message combined with Trump's "jobs, jobs, jobs" message turned about 700,000 voters in WI, MI and PA.
That was what I thought when I read his words. Can it possibly be that he really did think that just saying the Dems "understood" the real problems was, dang and darn it!, all they needed to do?

  ??? ::)

Reminded me of Bill's famous "I feel your pain" crap.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: frfly172 on December 27, 2016, 07:37:58 PM
Most of the Dem leadership ,don't have a clue. Have yet to see any changes in there beliefs.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Mr Pou on December 28, 2016, 08:25:47 AM
The Democrat platform has been hijacked by the Green movement

I wouldn't say hijacked as much as the DNC pandered to the greenies, wanting their votes.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Mr Pou on December 28, 2016, 08:28:47 AM
Joe still ain't gettin' it:

 “we constantly made a mistake of not speaking to the fears, aspirations, concerns of middle class people … you didn’t hear a word about that husband and wife working, making 100,000 bucks a year, two kids, struggling and scared to death. They used to be our constituency.”

100k, two kids, and stuggling? Maybe in the high cost coastal urban cities, but shouldn't be elsewhere unless they're living beyond their means.

Joe, what about the folks making HALF that with two kids? They're the families Trump won.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: bflynn on December 28, 2016, 08:47:34 AM
Joe still ain't gettin' it:

 “we constantly made a mistake of not speaking to the fears, aspirations, concerns of middle class people … .”

Isn't that how Trump got elected?
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: Mr Pou on December 28, 2016, 08:54:43 AM
Isn't that how Trump got elected?

Right, but they're still not gunning low enough.
Title: Re: Signs that Democrats are getting a clue
Post by: bflynn on December 28, 2016, 01:35:01 PM
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=1820.0