PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on December 28, 2016, 01:25:33 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/tom-cotton-fix-immigration-its-what-voters-want.html?_r=0
Is this a case of the left and right actually agreeing on something? Or just a red herring?
This is the NY Times arguing for better wages for Americans through immigration control. Farm owners and businesses are the ones arguing for less control because more people means they can depress wages even further. If that also means more unemployed people, well, it isn't their problem. The poor little snots will learn to fall in line and work or they will starve.
I refuse to believe that if you offer someone a decent wage for a valuable job and treat them well that anyone prefers to live in poverty rather do honest work and live better.
By coincidence, this is also probably the key issue that separated Trump and Clinton and what caused roughly 700,000 rust belt voters to defect and give the election to Trump.
Elections have consequences.
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Have been seeing articles like this here and there ... left and right occasionally collide and merge. Illegal immigration is a huge problem that every president for decades has more or less ignored. Eventually it can no longer be ignored by both parties because it is real, obvious, growing, observable, and the citizenry is fed up.
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Since immigration is favored by the left as well as the Wall Street Journal right, it would not surprise me that a solution could come from both sides as well. Still, given the political temperature in DC, I'm not holding my breath.
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Since immigration is favored by the left as well as the Wall Street Journal right, it would not surprise me that a solution could come from both sides as well. Still, given the political temperature in DC, I'm not holding my breath.
I too am in favor of "immigration".
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I too am in favor of "immigration".
The left (Democrats, media, etc) want to blur the lines around legal immigration, and ILLEGAL border invasion, and make it seem Republicans don't want any immigration. They of course LIE. Legal immigration, through a process is fine. Illegal invasion like we have under Obama is not.
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The left (Democrats, media, etc) want to blur the lines around legal immigration, and ILLEGAL border invasion, and make it seem Republicans don't want any immigration. They of course LIE. Legal immigration, through a process is fine. Illegal invasion like we have under Obama is not.
Similarly with "the wall". Dinner conversation at the in-laws drifted to the topic of being able to have fresh fruits and vegetables year round and that some of the vegetables we were eating were from Mexico. They then made the comment that when Trump builds "his wall" we won't be able to get fruit from Mexico any more. They were only half joking, but they continually spread the liberal lies.
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Similarly with "the wall". Dinner conversation at the in-laws drifted to the topic of being able to have fresh fruits and vegetables year round and that some of the vegetables we were eating were from Mexico. They then made the comment that when Trump builds "his wall" we won't be able to get fruit from Mexico any more. They were only half joking, but they continually spread the liberal lies.
Lies like this really annoy me. Also the myth that farmers would rather let their crops rot in the field than pay someone a little more to pick them. It seems to me that the same people pushing a $15/hour minimum wage turn right around and hypocritically argue that we can't afford to pay (American) farm workers more because it will raise the price of fruits and vegetables. People really should do their research before they say stupid stuff like this. Just doing some basic research, I see that cherries come from the farm in boxes of 11, 20 or 32 lbs, depending on farm. The picker of those cherries gets something around $8/box (for some size) meaning that their pay accounts for somewhere between 25-70 cents per pound. If you double their pay, the price of cherries goes from $6.99 to $7.24-$7.70/pound and the migrant worker's pay roughly doubles. That's hardly going to break the bank.
The real truth is that farm owners, like all business owners, like cheap labor. They don't want to pay $15/hour, they want slave labor if they could get it - no kidding here. But they know they can't so they will pay the least they can get away with. That is why we have illegal immigration, so that business owners can make a buck of the backs of the illegal immigrant living outside the system.