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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on January 02, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5268212713001/?#sp=show-clips
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Getting desperate when Bill has to dig into his pocket to match.
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So, he is offering to take money from one of his pockets and put it in the other if you will help him fill the pockets?
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Its tough to run an influence peddling racket without any influence to peddle.
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Its tough to run an influence peddling racket without any influence to peddle.
Exactly. You'd think he'd want to lay low for a while after a crushing defeat. But no, it is ALL about the money with the Clintons.
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Refresh my memory. Has the Clinton Foundation ever been fined for self dealing? Oh no, now that I remember, it was another "charitable" foundation whose primary charity was the namesake.
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Refresh my memory. Has the Clinton Foundation ever been fined for self dealing? Oh no, now that I remember, it was another "charitable" foundation whose primary charity was the namesake.
hmmm, the US AG is what party's lapdog?
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Refresh my memory. Has the Clinton Foundation ever been fined for self dealing? Oh no, now that I remember, it was another "charitable" foundation whose primary charity was the namesake.
I guess we'll see when Team D isn't deciding where to look for illegal behavior ;)
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Refresh my memory. Has the Clinton Foundation ever been fined for self dealing? Oh no, now that I remember, it was another "charitable" foundation whose primary charity was the namesake.
How come you are always ready to damn GWB for Iraq but HE WASN'T indicted or convicted???
Hypocrisy much?
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How come you are always ready to damn GWB for Iraq but HE WASN'T indicted or convicted???
Hypocrisy much?
What exactly should he have been indicted for? Being a bad President? Didn't know that was a crime or y'all would surely have indicted Barrack Obama 'cuz I've lost count of the number of times you've called him a terrible President.
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How come you are always ready to damn GWB for Iraq but HE WASN'T indicted or convicted???
Hypocrisy much?
Trump has admitted to self-dealing and paid fines for his foundation. He's claimed the donations of others as money he's donated to charity because they came through his foundation. He refuses to release his tax returns to verify any of his claimed philanthropy. So why are you bringing up GWB again? Oh yeah, to try and deflect criticism of Mr. Trump. I forget that the answer to every Trump criticism is A. False News (ie. denial) B. When False News becomes grudging acceptance--"Sour grapes"--Liberals are just trying to de-legitimize the President-Elect because they're mad they lost C. "Double Standard"--HRC, BHO, WJC, fill in any democrat did much worse and got away with it. D. Don't really care as long as he makes my life great again.
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Trump has admitted to self-dealing and paid fines for his foundation. He's claimed the donations of others as money he's donated to charity because they came through his foundation. He refuses to release his tax returns to verify any of his claimed philanthropy. So why are you bringing up GWB again? Oh yeah, to try and deflect criticism of Mr. Trump. I forget that the answer to every Trump criticism is A. False News (ie. denial) B. When False News becomes grudging acceptance--"Sour grapes"--Liberals are just trying to de-legitimize the President-Elect because they're mad they lost C. "Double Standard"--HRC, BHO, WJC, fill in any democrat did much worse and got away with it. D. Don't really care as long as he makes my life great again.
Are you denying that liberals are trying to delegitimize Trump or that there are Democrats out there that have done much worse and gotten away with it?
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Trump is as Trump has done. If he can't stand up to scrutiny than too bad. He better grow a pair soon if he expects to be President.
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Trump is as Trump has done. If he can't stand up to scrutiny than too bad. He better grow a pair soon if he expects to be President.
You didn't answer my questions.
Also, he'll be sworn in on January 20th whether you like him or not. He deserves a chance, just like Obama did when he was elected. I hope the best for every president, regardless of the party they belong to. Their success is the country's success. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way for Obama.
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Trump is as Trump has done. If he can't stand up to scrutiny than too bad. He better grow a pair soon if he expects to be President.
That occurs Friday at noon. He's already President-elect.
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That occurs Friday at noon. He's already President-elect.
Why wasn't I told? Thanks for the update. See, you do serve a useful purpose.
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Why wasn't I told?
Because you get your [fake] news from CNN, MSDNC, et al.
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Because you get your [fake] news from CNN, MSDNC, et al.
I thought liberals got their trusted news from Comedy Central?
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Are you denying that liberals are trying to delegitimize Trump or that there are Democrats out there that have done much worse and gotten away with it?
No, I'm not denying liberals are trying to delegitimize the election of Donald Trump. If he can't stand up to scrutiny, than maybe he shouldn't be President. Do you deny Trump tried to delegitimize BHO through the Birther BS? BHO stood firm and eventually the Donald had to fall back on blaming Hillary for starting the Birther movement. Well played Donald, if all else fails, blame Hillary. It's time for the Donald to put on his big boy pants and act the part.
Why do you always defend Donald's faults by saying others have faults worse than him? If his faults are so trivial, why does he and you get so bent out of shape? If a thief steals a payroll, are we supposed to ignore it because other thieves have stolen bigger payrolls and gotten away with it? I wonder how that defense plays out in court--your honor my client is guilty as sin but just the other day so and so got away with it so my client should be exonerated, defense rests. The Democrats can say whatever they want but until they prove something, Donald needs to ignore unsubstantiated accusations and get on with it.
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I thought liberals got their trusted news from Comedy Central?
I trust Comedy Central to be more truthful than the Russian FSB, Vladmir Putin or Julian Assange.
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I trust Comedy Central to be more truthful than the Russian FSB, Vladmir Putin or Julian Assange.
That wasn't the question. The Russian FSB, Vladimir Putin or Julian Assange are not media outlets.
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That wasn't the question. The Russian FSB, Vladimir Putin or Julian Assange are not media outlets.
And Comedy Central is?
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I trust Comedy Central to be more truthful than the Russian FSB, Vladmir Putin or Julian Assange.
With the exception of Julian Assange, I agree.
My biggest complaint about GWB was his stupid statement about looking in Putin's eyes and seeing his sole If that were true, Bush would have been blinded.
And the only time I really like anything McCain said since he was released form the Hanoi Hilton was when he said that when he looked into Putins eyes, he saw only "K G B".
But as to the press trying to de-legitamize Trump, I think that plays itself out every time I open the newspaper. It is a full-on attack. Some people may say that is one of the roles of a free press in a Democratic-Republic. But if that is the case, why did it never occur during Obama's reign? (except on FOX).
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And Comedy Central is?
Comedy Central has the Daily Show in which they lampoon the news. It's a very heavy liberal slant and many liberals cite that as their source of news.
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And Comedy Central is?
Yes, Comedy Central is most certainly "Media". And many liberals confuse them with real life.
noun
1.
a plural of medium.
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(usually used with a plural verb) the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, magazines, and the Internet, that reach or influence people widely:
The media are covering the speech tonight.
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No, I'm not denying liberals are trying to delegitimize the election of Donald Trump. If he can't stand up to scrutiny, than maybe he shouldn't be President. Do you deny Trump tried to delegitimize BHO through the Birther BS? BHO stood firm and eventually the Donald had to fall back on blaming Hillary for starting the Birther movement. Well played Donald, if all else fails, blame Hillary. It's time for the Donald to put on his big boy pants and act the part.
No, I don't. I also agree that Trump should ignore a lot of the things people say about him and move on. The ironic thing is, the media gets in a frenzy over almost all of his tweets. At some point they'd realize that's just how he is and move on. He says random things a lot and engages in petty arguments he shouldn't.
Why do you always defend Donald's faults by saying others have faults worse than him?
Really? Why don't you go and find all of my posts where I've "defended" Trump.
If his faults are so trivial, why does he and you get so bent out of shape?
Where am I getting bent out of shape?
If a thief steals a payroll, are we supposed to ignore it because other thieves have stolen bigger payrolls and gotten away with it? I wonder how that defense plays out in court--your honor my client is guilty as sin but just the other day so and so got away with it so my client should be exonerated, defense rests. The Democrats can say whatever they want but until they prove something, Donald needs to ignore unsubstantiated accusations and get on with it.
I agree with this to an extent. Where your argument fails is that the left gave a complete pass to Hillary on pretty much everything and go after Trump for everything. Your personal feelings about Comey aside, the FBI determined she had classified information on her private server and no charges were ever brought. There are numerous other issues with her that she was also given a pass on. The hypocrisy and double standards are ridiculous.
If you go back and look at my posts, you'll find that I'm not exactly a huge fan of Trump. I was very critical of him during the primaries and during the general election, though I found Hillary to be much worse.
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Comedy Central has the Daily Show in which they lampoon the news. It's a very heavy liberal slant and many liberals cite that as their source of news.
Yeah but the best comedy is the comedy that has truthful roots. It may take the truth and exaggerate it, but it has a basis rooted in truth.
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If you go back and look at my posts, you'll find that I'm not exactly a huge fan of Trump. I was very critical of him during the primaries and during the general election, though I found Hillary to be much worse.
I'll vouch for that! ;)
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Yeah but the best comedy is the comedy that has truthful roots. It may take the truth and exaggerate it, but it has a basis rooted in truth.
Very true. But the problem is that too many liberals assume their comedy is truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I never really liked Sarah Palin, but it still annoys me that so many people still think she said she can see Russia from her back porch.
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No, I don't. I also agree that Trump should ignore a lot of the things people say about him and move on. The ironic thing is, the media gets in a frenzy over almost all of his tweets. At some point they'd realize that's just how he is and move on. He says random things a lot and engages in petty arguments he shouldn't.
The media is a business and sensationalism sells. It's one thing for the media to go into a frenzy and quite another for the President Elect to enter a tweeting frenzy whenever some minor personality voices a negative opinion of him. DT's temperment for being a President of the United States was questioned during the campaign and he continues to demonstrate less than Presidential temperment. Why do people excuse it as "he's just being Donald Trump." He's no longer just Donald Trump, he's supposed to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth and to act like it.
Really? Why don't you go and find all of my posts where I've "defended" Trump.
Where am I getting bent out of shape?
Sorry, I sometimes think everyone is Lucifer. I apologize (sincerely, not sarcastically).
...Where your argument fails is that the left gave a complete pass to Hillary on pretty much everything and go after Trump for everything. Your personal feelings about Comey aside, the FBI determined she had classified information on her private server and no charges were ever brought. There are numerous other issues with her that she was also given a pass on. The hypocrisy and double standards are ridiculous.
I remember reading and watching tons of crap critical of HRC during Benghazi et al. CNN and other "liberal" media outlets reported on the Congressional hearings trying to establish that BHO and HRC deliberately prevented a US military rescue. Millions were spent and nothing was pinned on them except the fact she originally linked the attack to a anti-Islam video instead of hard core terrorists. This was all reported in those media outlets. Might they have had a liberal slant, sure, I don't deny that just like I don't deny Fox News has a conservative slant.
If you go back and look at my posts, you'll find that I'm not exactly a huge fan of Trump. I was very critical of him during the primaries and during the general election, though I found Hillary to be much worse.
We're more alike than different. I found both to be crappy choices but I thought the Donald to be the worse.
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Yeah but the best comedy is the comedy that has truthful roots. It may take the truth and exaggerate it, but it has a basis rooted in truth.
The Daily Show works for liberals because the low information people who watch it have a difficult time distinguishing between comedy and reality, hence they believe what they see as "factual reporting".
The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
That describes The Daily Show exactly.
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The Daily Show works for liberals because the low information people who watch it have a difficult time distinguishing between comedy and reality, hence they believe what they see as "factual reporting".
The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
That describes The Daily Show exactly.
Really? The Daily Show on Comedy Central, is your idea of propaganda? Mark Twain, Will Rogers, Mort Sahl, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, all serious propagandists and hard core idealogues. I submit that none of these names would be recognizable if they didn't traffic in humor based on political shenanigans. If you can't separate a joke from news, perhaps the problem isn't the humor but the possibility that there's more truth to the humor than you would like to admit.
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Really? The Daily Show on Comedy Central, is your idea of propaganda? Mark Twain, Will Rogers, Mort Sahl, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, all serious propagandists and hard core idealogues. I submit that none of these names would be recognizable if they didn't traffic in humor based on political shenanigans. If you can't separate a joke from news, perhaps the problem isn't the humor but the possibility that there's more truth to the humor than you would like to admit.
Once again, The Daily Show attracts the low information types who can't watch a standard news cast because of low attention spans. It's an outlet designed to attract these types and shape the information being fed to them. Pure propaganda in every sense of the word.
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The media is a business and sensationalism sells. It's one thing for the media to go into a frenzy and quite another for the President Elect to enter a tweeting frenzy whenever some minor personality voices a negative opinion of him. DT's temperment for being a President of the United States was questioned during the campaign and he continues to demonstrate less than Presidential temperment. Why do people excuse it as "he's just being Donald Trump." He's no longer just Donald Trump, he's supposed to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth and to act like it.
I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of this. Where I take issue is that somehow the media gets a pass for biting on every tweet that Trump tweets and Trump doesn't. The media, while a business no doubt, plays a powerful and serious role in the American public. They should take their responsibilities seriously. That means thinking critically about issues and reporting facts. I'm fine with opinions if they're stated up front that that particular segment or show or what have you is going to be opinion based. Unfortunately the majority of the media is liberal and doesn't feel as if they owe it to the American public to be unbiased and allow people to think for themselves.
Sometimes I wonder if Trump tweets the way he does on purpose just to watch the media go hysterical.
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Really? The Daily Show on Comedy Central, is your idea of propaganda? Mark Twain, Will Rogers, Mort Sahl, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, all serious propagandists and hard core idealogues. I submit that none of these names would be recognizable if they didn't traffic in humor based on political shenanigans. If you can't separate a joke from news, perhaps the problem isn't the humor but the possibility that there's more truth to the humor than you would like to admit.
The problem with shows like The Daily Show and others on Comedy Central is that a lot of the people who watch them only get their news from that one source. There is no balance. When that's the only place you get your news from, it's easy to see how some people can't separate a joke from news (see the notorious Sarah Palin quote for an example).
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Once again, The Daily Show attracts the low information types who can't watch a standard news cast because of low attention spans. It's an outlet designed to attract these types and shape the information being fed to them. Pure propaganda in every sense of the word.
So you speak for all Daily Show viewers, got it. How did you get that gig? I don't presume to speak for FOX news fans or CNN watchers or anybody but myself. I look at everything and judge what to believe and what not to believe based on my own criteria and not what Lucifer "thinks" my criteria might be. But if it makes you feel superior by claiming a lock on what others think, more power to ya. I really don't give a rat's ass what you think I view or don't view and what I get from such viewing. I can judge your intellect just fine by your arguments and not have to ascribe it to a particular media.
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The problem with shows like The Daily Show and others on Comedy Central is that a lot of the people who watch them only get their news from that one source. There is no balance. When that's the only place you get your news from, it's easy to see how some people can't separate a joke from news (see the notorious Sarah Palin quote for an example).
It's that way by design. Again, when you have low information viewers without an attention span to watch news, read papers or do an internet search for information, The Daily Show fills a void to a targeted audience and the message is carefully crafted.
Look at how many times perfessor triple digit has posted video clips from Comedy Central as a reference. Makes my point concisely.
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So you speak for all Daily Show viewers, got it.
No, I have the intellectual ability to make a judgment.
How did you get that gig?
It's actually fun sometimes to watch you pontificate, especially when you can't make a cohesive argument to support your inane diatribes.
I don't presume to speak for FOX news fans or CNN watchers or anybody but myself.
But you do when it suits whatever point you attempt to make.
I really don't give a rat's ass what you think I view or don't view and what I get from such viewing.
But you feel compelled to comment on my every post, so you must give a rat's ass. ;)
I can judge your intellect just fine by your arguments...
Why, how liberal of you!
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Don't let it go to your head as I respond to a lot of jackasses just to pass the time. Not that you fall into that group. I would never state that fact since I let others make that judgement for themself.
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Don't let it go to your head as I respond to a lot of jackasses just to pass the time. Not that you fall into that group. I would never state that fact since I let others make that judgement for themself.
For you.
Troll: is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.
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For you.
Troll: is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.
Witmo's not a troll. He is a liberal. I suspect he believes a lot of what he says as opposed to a troll who merely likes to incite discord. But other than that, there is not much difference.
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Witmo's not a troll. He is a liberal. I suspect he believes a lot of what he says as opposed to a troll who merely likes to incite discord. But other than that, there is not much difference.
Disagree. He's acting more like a troll lately.
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Disagree. He's acting more like a troll lately.
We only disagree a little bit.