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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on February 06, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
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The GOP did it six times during the Obama administration. They control both Houses of Congress and the Executive, yet the law still stands, and according to the Cheeto Jesus is likely to do so for a couple years.
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The GOP did it six times during the Obama administration. They control both Houses of Congress and the Executive, yet the law still stands, and according to the Cheeto Jesus is likely to do so for a couple years.
Due to the chocolate commie having the original bill written with so many tentacles and reaching into areas other than healthcare it's a complex bill to dismantle. This bill (ACA) was never about "affordable healthcare" but more about taking over more control of the economy by government.
It will take some time to overhaul and kill off the onerous regulations that entwine the bill. If congress and the president totally killed the bill right now as it stands you and the other snowflakes would be in full faux outrage once again.
I'm willing (as most reasonable folks) to give them some time to fix the abomination left by your dark overlord.
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Due to the chocolate commie having the original bill written with so many tentacles and reaching into areas other than healthcare it's a complex bill to dismantle. This bill (ACA) was never about "affordable healthcare" but more about taking over more control of the economy by government.
It will take some time to overhaul and kill off the onerous regulations that entwine the bill. If congress and the president totally killed the bill right now as it stands you and the other snowflakes would be in full faux outrage once again.
I'm willing (as most reasonable folks) to give them some time to fix the abomination left by your dark overlord.
Then why'd they spend so much time and effort repealing it over and over again during the tenure of the Obaminator?
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Then why'd they spend so much time and effort repealing it over and over again during the tenure of the Obaminator?
Political grandstanding. They knew the dark overlord would veto any repeal and that the democrats would oppose it.
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Then why'd they spend so much time and effort repealing it over and over again during the tenure of the Obaminator?
It would have been gross stupidity to leave that POS obamacare in place. To not try would be moronic.
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Then why aren't there any efforts to repeal it now? They control both houses of Congress and have a POTUS who has called it a disaster? Smells of either earlier political grandstanding or current hypocrisy. Take your pick.
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Then why aren't there any efforts to repeal it now? They control both houses of Congress and have a POTUS who has called it a disaster? Smells of either earlier political grandstanding or current hypocrisy. Take your pick.
If you paid any attention to actual news sites rather than the fake ones, you would see they are currently working on it. Unraveling the mess left by the greatest hoax on the American voters will take time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/12/15/obamacare-repeal-results-in-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-tax-increases-and-lost-insurance-for-the-rest/#2ce2586d69b3
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Then why aren't there any efforts to repeal it now? They control both houses of Congress and have a POTUS who has called it a disaster? Smells of either earlier political grandstanding or current hypocrisy. Take your pick.
I would expect someone with "triple digit IQ" can think of other sensible reasons.
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Unraveling the mess left by the greatest hoax on the American voters will take time.
You mean the second greatest hoax on the American voters. The first is the HOAX of man made climate change. If they just repealed Obamacare too quickly, the lib/progs (Democrats, Steingar, etc) would be bitching that it caused too many problems.
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Then why aren't there any efforts to repeal it now? They control both houses of Congress and have a POTUS who has called it a disaster? Smells of either earlier political grandstanding or current hypocrisy. Take your pick.
What's the matter, of triple zero man? Are you and your snowflake twits already bored with the many and mentally deranged topics you are already protesting about?
It took the traitor Obama two full years having control of both houses to even try to push the pig obamacare through and they had to change the rules in the senate to do so, and vote on Christmas Eve. Don't even TRY to place blame because repeal and replace happened within two weeks.
That is delusional, even for you.
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If you paid any attention to actual news sites rather than the fake ones, you would see they are currently working on it. Unraveling the mess left by the greatest hoax on the American voters will take time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/12/15/obamacare-repeal-results-in-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-tax-increases-and-lost-insurance-for-the-rest/#2ce2586d69b3
Then why did they try and repeal it SIX times?
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Then why did they try and repeal it SIX times?
I know it is hard to wrap your tiny IQ around FACTS, but if you look closely Mr. Double-O-Zero, you will see that the GOP is moving deliberately, rather than stupidly, to make sure they capture all the destructive tentacles of obamacare as they repeal it.
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Then why did they try and repeal it SIX times?
To make a statement of protest against it. That's why Senate's have "Resolutions". They don't carry any weight but they show INTENT. There, happy now? Let me know if you need me to explain anything else. :)
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Repealing the ACA isn't the hard part; replacing it with something viable is. The Republicans are trying to replace it with something that is going to work and is a good solution for as many people as possible. There are things that many citizens like from the ACA (staying on your parent's health insurance until you're 26, pre-existing conditions, etc.) and they are trying to find a way to make those work and still fit true conservative values.
It's only been a few weeks since President Trump was sworn in so I expect it to take some time. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it's not going to.
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Then why aren't there any efforts to repeal it now? They control both houses of Congress and have a POTUS who has called it a disaster? Smells of either earlier political grandstanding or current hypocrisy. Take your pick.
I choose practical. They can't repeal it until they have something to replace it, and even though they are united in the desire to repeal it, there are fewer agreements on how to replace it. Dems like to say that the Rs are going to repeal without having a replacement ready. That falls under the heading "fake". Or maybe just a lie.
Also, as Lucifer said, the damn thing is so convoluted and entwined that repealing it is like pushing water up a hill. That was on purpose to keep the power in the hands of the politicians.
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There are things that many citizens like from the ACA (staying on your parent's health insurance until you're 26,
This is bullshit. Grow up and get out of Mom's basement.
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This is bullshit. Grow up and get out of Mom's basement.
If you're saying that part of the law is dumb then I agree. Or are you telling me to get out of mom's basement?
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If you're saying that part of the law is dumb then I agree. Or are you telling me to get out of mom's basement?
I think he is referring to being under your parents' insurance until you turn 27.
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I'm actually for funding of late term abortions.........say up to age 26.
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There are things that many citizens like from the ACA (staying on your parent's health insurance until you're 26, pre-existing conditions, etc.)
Of course there are things people like about it. Mainly the benefits. But it is the part about how much it costs where the problem lies.
I'd like to have a new Ovation too. There are definitely things I like about it, so should I go out and buy a couple of them? Or maybe a Lear Jet. There are definitely things I would like about a Lear, or a Citation.
Oh, you mean I have to PAY for them? Man, that's a different story.
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If you're saying that part of the law is dumb then I agree. Or are you telling me to get out of mom's basement?
Yes! ;)
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Cheeto Jesus
??? Is this like the crying crucifix?
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Repealing the ACA isn't the hard part; replacing it with something viable is. The Republicans are trying to replace it with something that is going to work and is a good solution for as many people as possible. There are things that many citizens like from the ACA (staying on your parent's health insurance until you're 26, pre-existing conditions, etc.) and they are trying to find a way to make those work and still fit true conservative values.
It's only been a few weeks since President Trump was sworn in so I expect it to take some time. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it's not going to.
A generalized suggestion - take all the money from all the government medical programs and roll them together into a free clinic system, similar to military health care. Rank people on the list - veterans, their dependents, elderly, need based, etc and give them a priority. Tun a doctor corp under the surgeon general to staff the medical facilities and spread them out all over the country, as much as you can afford for X dollars. Trade medical school for 10 years of service. The overall cost should be lower because nobody has a profit baked in, let alone multiple profits.
Meanwhile, get the government out of the business of selling or supplementing insurance. Keep a few basic rules - pre-existing conditions excluded for no more than 6 months, require an upfront cost card to be made available, open insurance for sale across state lines and no residual billing - a doctor who agrees to treat a patient cannot go back and charge more later. But let insurance be insurance again.
So...
Costs are curbed and market forces are set to push prices down
Medical care is available for everyone
Regular insurance is relieved of the burdens that drove it's prices so high
Sounds like a win for everyone. Let the hating begin.
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Keep a few basic rules - pre-existing conditions excluded for no more than 6 months, ...
... But let insurance be insurance again.
ummmm.
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Then why'd they spend so much time and effort repealing it over and over again during the tenure of the Obaminator?
practice. now they have a handful of bills to repeal it. just gotta dust off the right one. Patience. It will get repealed, he's only had 2 weeks.
The dems shoved it down our throats without a scintilla of bipartisan support. Expect the same courtesy. We did take Obama's advice when he said "Elections have consequences" and "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election"
done. and done. I only hope you enjoy Trump as much as we did Obama.
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Damn, that's gonna leave a mark.............
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I hope they take their time and get it right.
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Unraveling the mess left by the greatest hoax on the American voters will take time.
I'm not even sure I would call it a "hoax". More like a crime of open violence (assault, rape). The law was ram-rodded through Congress without a single Republican vote, using a procedural trick ("Reconciliation") to clear the Senate filibuster. Most importantly, the law has never -- NEVER -- achieved majority support from the public (linky (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)).
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I'm not even sure I would call it a "hoax". More like a crime of open violence (assault, rape). The law was ram-rodded through Congress without a single Republican vote, using a procedural trick ("Reconciliation") to clear the Senate filibuster. Most importantly, the law has never -- NEVER -- achieved majority support from the public (linky (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)).
Let's not forget this famous line:
We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."
The bill was so large that even most (all?) Democrats didn't even read all of it (any, for some [most?]). They just went along with it because it was made by the Democrats so they figured it was worth supporting.
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practice. now they have a handful of bills to repeal it. just gotta dust off the right one. Patience. It will get repealed, he's only had 2 weeks.
We shall see. The Reps have been "repealing" the ACA for quite a while, still haven't seen a real plan proposed (lots of concepts though, which seem to make a lot of people nervous).
The dems shoved it down our throats without a scintilla of bipartisan support. Expect the same courtesy. We did take Obama's advice when he said "Elections have consequences" and "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election"
Always have to laugh when I hear the "rammed down our throats" quote. It's all about votes, back then the Dems had them and the Reps didn't. Now the situation is reversed. No doubt the Reps will use the same methods to get their bills passed. Mid-terms are only two years away, the results will bear out judgement on the Presidents policies.
done. and done. I only hope you enjoy Trump as much as we did Obama.
Enjoy isn't the right word, entertaining with a twinge of sadness would be a better description. Gotta admit, the President is good at making enemies. After the first two weeks appears the President will go down as the most divisive President yet!
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Mid-terms are only two years away, the results will bear out judgement on the Presidents policies.
So far (and I acknowledge we are a long way out from the mid-terms), the Democrats are poised to lose quite a few Senate seats. Take a look at the seats the Democrats have to defend and then compare that to the states Trump won. Democrats don't seem to understand why they loss and they don't seem to care.
After the first two weeks appears the President will go down as the most divisive President yet!
You're ready to declare him the most divisive president in history after two weeks?
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We shall see. The Reps have been "repealing" the ACA for quite a while, still haven't seen a real plan proposed (lots of concepts though, which seem to make a lot of people nervous).
So you are privy to all of the various plans right now? Please share.
Always have to laugh when I hear the "rammed down our throats" quote. It's all about votes, back then the Dems had them and the Reps didn't. Now the situation is reversed. No doubt the Reps will use the same methods to get their bills passed. Mid-terms are only two years away, the results will bear out judgement on the Presidents policies.
There were zero votes from the republicans on the ACA. Zero. And the only way to get the bill passed was with "reconciliation", not an up or down vote.
Enjoy isn't the right word, entertaining with a twinge of sadness would be a better description. Gotta admit, the President is good at making enemies. After the first two weeks appears the President will go down as the most divisive President yet!
BHO still holds that record. It's even being realized that his poll numbers weren't all that great while he reigned. http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/news-flash-obama-was-an-historically-unpopular-president/
And while the MSM is in their fake outrage over Trump and how he treats them, the MSM is overlooking an annoying fact: https://news.grabien.com/story-why-it-will-be-hard-trump-surpass-obamas-record-chilling-pre
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So far (and I acknowledge we are a long way out from the mid-terms), the Democrats are poised to lose quite a few Senate seats. Take a look at the seats the Democrats have to defend and then compare that to the states Trump won. Democrats don't seem to understand why they loss and they don't seem to care.
You're ready to declare him the most divisive president in history after two weeks?
Well... the President is the best at what he does, we've been reminded of that pretty often! ;D
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So you are privy to all of the various plans right now? Please share.
Perhaps I've missed it. Where can I find the new health care plan as before the House or Senate??
There were zero votes from the republicans on the ACA. Zero. And the only way to get the bill passed was with "reconciliation", not an up or down vote.
So what was the House/Senate vote? Pretty sure it did pass. Do agree that the Republicans will be more than happy to use use reconciliation to get their stuff passed.
BHO still holds that record. It's even being realized that his poll numbers weren't all that great while he reigned. http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/news-flash-obama-was-an-historically-unpopular-president/
And while the MSM is in their fake outrage over Trump and how he treats them, the MSM is overlooking an annoying fact: https://news.grabien.com/story-why-it-will-be-hard-trump-surpass-obamas-record-chilling-pre
For what it's worth, Gallup has him at 43% approval:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Can't even top President Obama's average. Certainly is convenient to dismiss news you don't like as "fake".
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For what it's worth, Gallup has him at 43% approval:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Can't even top President Obama's average. Certainly is convenient to dismiss news you don't like as "fake".
Well, Reuters (who's not very favorable towards Trump) has him at 50.1% today. http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1/dates/20170101-20170207/type/smallest
And we have Rasmussen who has him at 53% (Rasmussen being one of the more accurate pollsters) http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1/dates/20170101-20170207/type/smallest
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Perhaps I've missed it. Where can I find the new health care plan as before the House or Senate??
Nice twist there. Ever hear of committees? Ever hear of "sponsored legislation"? If you would try reading reliable news sources rather than relying on Alt Left media for your information you would find all sorts of information on what has been suggested and even put forward. Right now there are several options being investigated, but rather than cloak it in a 2000 page bill and try to pass it with the famous Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass it to see what's in it" approach the republicans are at least being careful not to put forward a shitbox like Obamacare.
We all realize that the Alt Left is frothing at the mouth right now wanting everything put on the table so they can play their faux outrage and let their media arms twist the narrative, but everything happens in due time.
So what was the House/Senate vote? Pretty sure it did pass. Do agree that the Republicans will be more than happy to use use reconciliation to get their stuff passed.
It passed the House with no republican votes, and it "passed" the Senate using a parliamentary procedure called reconciliation because the dems knew it wouldn't pass the senate on an up or down vote.
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Well, Reuters (who's not very favorable towards Trump) has him at 50.1% today. http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1/dates/20170101-20170207/type/smallest
And we have Rasmussen who has him at 53% (Rasmussen being one of the more accurate pollsters) http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1/dates/20170101-20170207/type/smallest
LOL!! Guess you can pick your poll to show your point! Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder, Rasmussen and Reuters are the only two that crack the 50% mark, the other 9 don't make it above 45%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html
It is still early in the Presidents term, can't say any of them are "right". Still, ain't a great start. With the Presidents "winning" manner, I'm sure they will move. ;D
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After the first two weeks appears the President will go down as the most divisive President yet!
President Trump has quite a way to go to achieve that title.
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LOL!! Guess you can pick your poll to show your point! Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder, Rasmussen and Reuters are the only two that crack the 50% mark, the other 9 don't make it above 45%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html
It is still early in the Presidents term, can't say any of them are "right". Still, ain't a great start. With the Presidents "winning" manner, I'm sure they will move. ;D
Never mind historical accuracy of various polls, doesn't fit your and the Alt Left narrative. ::)
I mean, after all you are using CNN, ABC/WashPo, CBS, NBC/WSJ, Monmouth....all bastions of fair and honest reporting with no agenda.
Oh, and don't forget, according to your polling sources Hillary should be president right now as well.
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LOL!! Guess you can pick your poll to show your point! Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder, Rasmussen and Reuters are the only two that crack the 50% mark, the other 9 don't make it above 45%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html
It is still early in the Presidents term, can't say any of them are "right". Still, ain't a great start. With the Presidents "winning" manner, I'm sure they will move. ;D
According to that link, Trump has better numbers today than he did on election day. I suspect he'd be just fine with a repeat of that outcome.
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The left wing brainwashing reached a peak when they realized that the actual voters refused to behave according to the master plan of their owner George Soros and the real FAKE news networks went into overdrive.
The alt-left led lemmings havent been told no in so long they really and truly do believe that it is illegal.
What a pathetic bunch of academic embarrassments and scientific illiterates.
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Obama, Holder, Lynch, Michelle, etc divided this country horribly along race, gender, religious, ethnic, economic, and legal vs illegal status.
Trump is just doing what he said he was going to do in his campaign. He won the election by winning most of the country. Look at a map of the counties he won compared to Hillary. It wasn't even close. Take out L.A., and even the popular vote would have gone Trump.
Dems. You lost. Get over it!
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LOL!! Guess you can pick your poll to show your point! Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder, Rasmussen and Reuters are the only two that crack the 50% mark, the other 9 don't make it above 45%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html
It is still early in the Presidents term, can't say any of them are "right". Still, ain't a great start. With the Presidents "winning" manner, I'm sure they will move. ;D
Just out of morbid curiosity, how unifying and tolerant was the left's messiah, anyway?
How did the fake statesman do at bringing the world together, leading us out of recession, lowering the seas, ending racism, furthering racial harmony and ending the Israeli Arab conflict????
How successful was he at ending violent crime, radical muslim terror, illegal alien violent crime against American citizens, reducing black on black violence?
Before you knee jerk an claim that republican racists held him back at every turn, be honest with yourself.
How well did the con man Obama do?
How tolerant was he of anyone who thought differently than him?
How well did he work across the aisle.
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Dems. You lost. Get over it!
I used to advise libs to do that. But I stopped because it is too much fun watching them make idiots of themselves. Trump is President for 4 years. If he can accomplish half of what he promised the country will boom and the liberal idiots can just suck it up and explode. If he doesn't accomplish anything positive, we will replace him. But as far as I am concerned, his various staff picks have justified electing him to me. Especially to SCOTUS.
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I used to advise libs to do that. But I stopped because it is too much fun watching them make idiots of themselves. Trump is President for 4 years. If he can accomplish half of what he promised the country will boom and the liberal idiots can just suck it up and explode. If he doesn't accomplish anything positive, we will replace him. But as far as I am concerned, his various staff picks have justified electing him to me. Especially to SCOTUS.
Obama's first 4 put us in worse shape than when he started, and he wasn't replaced.
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Obama's first 4 put us in worse shape than when he started, and he wasn't replaced.
Replacing Obama would have been racist.
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Obama's first 4 put us in worse shape than when he started, and he wasn't replaced.
That's because his base voted for him regardless of his record or his policies. They voted him because he was black with a D next to his name. (And they call US racist). I don't think most Rs will vote for Trump simply because he is white or has an R. Or because he isn't Hillary or Obama. If fact, I might have voted D if they had put up a good candidate, although that is probably impossible.
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If fact, I might have voted D if they had put up a good candidate, although that is probably impossible.
The problem with voting "D", ANY D is that they all are beholden to the DNC platform, and policies, which are across the board anti Constitution, and un-American. Just look at their stance on the 2A, and that will tell you all you need to know. What did Hillary say? She was for Australian style gun bans, and gun confiscation which she then tried to walk back later as a "gun buy back" which sounded voluntary but which was anything but. She lost.
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The problem with voting "D", ANY D is that they all are beholden to the DNC platform, and policies, which are across the board anti Constitution, and un-American. Just look at their stance on the 2A, and that will tell you all you need to know. What did Hillary say? She was for Australian style gun bans, and gun confiscation which she then tried to walk back later as a "gun buy back" which sounded voluntary but which was anything but. She lost.
The "Blue Dog Democrats" are gone. They were pushed out by the progressives who will not tolerate anything but their agenda. The closest Democrat to being a "Blue Dog" right now is Joe Manchin from West Virginia and that's mostly because he understands the realities of his state: heavy coal mining and pro-gun. There was talk for a while he may even switch over to being a Republican.
Any Democrat who may be willing to be reasonable isn't allowed to be because of the leadership (Pelosi, Schumer, etc.) They have a tight grip on the members in the House and Senate.