PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 09, 2017, 11:11:17 AM
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Okay, so I was going to let this issue be meaningless, but it keeps ramping up!
I don't patronize Starbucks at all anymore, and have switched from Google to DuckDuckGo, and from Wikipedia to Infogalactic, and haven't even peeked at Facebook since November 9, 2016.
But now my favorite coffee company where I get my coffee beans, Stumptown, has virtue signaled that they are donating a percentage of sales to the ACLU. What the what???
We have a strong ethic against "feeding the beast," and that can be done by withholding certain patronage. I have a tendency to think the ACLU overreaches. But now I will have to research it.
I think it's dumb for companies to lay themselves open for political boycotting. But maybe they make up for it when the opposing factions rush to buy more from them!
Still, virtue signalling does do a good job of revealing the beasts not to feed!
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"virtue signaling" - meh
I'm reminded of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:9-14)
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"virtue signaling" - meh
I never heard that one until maybe last week.
Then again, I thought SJW was something from a "personals" classified add. Single Jewish Woman?
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I have a tendency to think the ACLU overreaches. But now I will have to research it.
The ACLU is a private organization - it cannot overreach in the same sense as a government agency. It may violate its own stated principles, but that is a different animal.
I would only have an issue with the ACLU if or when it argues for policies that contradict its mission statement "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States." Of course there may be some debate on what those rights and liberties are.
The ACLU has been criticized for not doing much for gun rights, but the NRA has that set of liberties pretty well covered. The NRA isn't known for advocating for any other liberties, either. I think that the ACLU and NRA are mostly complementary with respect to liberty advocacy.
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Still, virtue signalling does do a good job of revealing the beasts not to feed!
New one to me. So how does this virtual signaling work? Do they have a sign that informs the consumer that a certain percent goes to a "cause"?
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The ACLU is a private organization - it cannot overreach in the same sense as a government agency. It may violate its own stated principles, but that is a different animal.
I would only have an issue with the ACLU if or when it argues for policies that contradict its mission statement "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States." Of course there may be some debate on what those rights and liberties are.
The ACLU has been criticized for not doing much for gun rights, but the NRA has that set of liberties pretty well covered. The NRA isn't known for advocating for any other liberties, either. I think that the ACLU and NRA are mostly complementary with respect to liberty advocacy.
Articles like this make me wonder if the ACLU has its priorities straight, though.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/30/aclu-we-can-no-longer-support-federal-religious-freedom-law/
We seem to be entrenched in an epoch of rights being trampled in a convoluted way, by distorting the very definition of what is a right and what is not. The ACLU's mission is laudable, but I fear their actual positions may be political.
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New one to me. So how does this virtual signaling work? Do they have a sign that informs the consumer that a certain percent goes to a "cause"?
Virtue signalling is purposefully made obvious. It's signalling, after all! Not much use if it's not visible. I saw the coffee company one on an email from them.
More examples:
Kelloggs announces that it will stop auto-generated advertising on Breitbart because "they don't represent our values." Target announces that anyone can use any of their restrooms, signalling it supports LGBTQ rights. If someone adopts a child from a third-world country, someone else adopts TWO children from a worse country.
That last example shows how virtue signalling turns into something called a "holiness spiral." The signalling has to ramp up constantly to be effective at indicating one's level of virtue.
It's a very leftist thing. Conservatives usually don't obsess over what other people are doing.
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When the lefties tried to boycott Chik-Fil-A, I and a million other people gave them their best week ever. And that was my first time going there.
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When the lefties tried to boycott Chik-Fil-A, I and a million other people gave them their best week ever. And that was my first time going there.
Apparently when Starbucks virtue signalled that it would hire 10,000 refugees in the next five years, some veterans were a little miffed and started to promote a veteran-owned coffee company, Black Rifle Coffee, whose products were sold out within a day or so. It does work both ways!
Still, I kind of miss when products used to be just products, not coming with an albatross of a political statement dragging along.
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Articles like this make me wonder if the ACLU has its priorities straight, though.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/30/aclu-we-can-no-longer-support-federal-religious-freedom-law/
We seem to be entrenched in an epoch of rights being trampled in a convoluted way, by distorting the very definition of what is a right and what is not. The ACLU's mission is laudable, but I fear their actual positions may be political.
Yeah, they can be inconsistent boneheads at times.
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Apparently when Starbucks virtue signaled
Apparently Starbucks thinks we are all brain dead idiots who don't know how to think.
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The nice thing about the private sector is that when they say or do something stupid, I can avoid buying their products. Notice the huge revenue hit to Target, and Kellogs, and the deep decline of their stock price. When government enacts policies that are un-Constitutional or just plain counterproductive to our standard of living, and quality of life (i.e. MMGW taxes/regs) we have NO CHOICE in the matter except to vote in people like Trump.
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Articles like this make me wonder if the ACLU has its priorities straight, though.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/30/aclu-we-can-no-longer-support-federal-religious-freedom-law/
We seem to be entrenched in an epoch of rights being trampled in a convoluted way, by distorting the very definition of what is a right and what is not. The ACLU's mission is laudable, but I fear their actual positions may be political.
The founder of the ACLU was quite clear that he supported communism as the ultimate goal and that they would USE the judiciary to achieve their ultimate goal. When people laud the ACLU and their mission, I cringe at the thought.
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The founder of the ACLU was quite clear that he supported communism as the ultimate goal and that they would USE the judiciary to achieve their ultimate goal. When people laud the ACLU and their mission, I cringe at the thought.
We are certainly fighting an uphill battle that is for sure. The ACLU, Unions, DNC, the Media, Education, rank and file government employees, corporate America, all want a collective, big government, and high taxpayer cost, inefficient (ineffective) solutions. Where have we seen this before? Did it work? No.
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We are certainly fighting an uphill battle that is for sure. The ACLU, Unions, DNC, the Media, Education, rank and file government employees, corporate America, all want a collective, big government, and high taxpayer cost, inefficient (ineffective) solutions. Where have we seen this before? Did it work? No.
Every day when I look at the news and see the left's gnashing of teeth and desperate attempts to sate their sick appetites by oppressing the healthy and normal, and incessantly attempting to continue the Obama slide into division and dysfunction, I realize afresh the amazing gift we have been given in President Trump.
A flawed vessel, but a scrappy fighter who fights for us.
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Apparently Starbucks thinks we are all brain dead idiots who don't know how to think.
Shoot, I think that about most of the general population.
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Shoot, I think that about most of the general population.
That is very elitist, even coming from you.
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Still, I kind of miss when products used to be just products, not coming with an albatross of a political statement dragging along.
Those weren't the good ol' days, that's today if you're most people. I disagree with a lot of companies about a lot of things, and to be honest I really don't care about their politics. I like a good medium roast, and Pike's Place is good and costs me $2.12 after tax. That's about the same as most diners charge. So I'll get a cup once every couple of weeks when it's handy. Once I give them the money, it's theirs to do with as they wish. I don't really care.
I'm not a big fan of Wal-Mart, but dammit, they're so convenient and inexpensive, so I go there a lot too. I disagreed with Hobby Lobby a couple of years ago, but they have some cool stuff no one else in town has.
You're always going to have the fringe who go out of their way to make a statement by boycotting everyone on their naughty list. And I can respect that. I don't really have the desire or the time for that though.
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Had a member state, last night, that he doesn't shop at Hobby Lonby because he doesn't agree with their politics.
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That is very elitist, even coming from you.
Read the comment section of any article posted online. Those aren't people I'd consider to be my peers.
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Read the comment section of any article posted online. Those aren't people I'd consider to be my peers.
So you hate Breitbart. Big whoop.
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Shoot, I think that about most of the general population.
That explains a lot. You should run for political office. As a Democrat. They all think the American public is stupid and needs the government to take care of them.
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That explains a lot. You should run for political office. As a Democrat. They all think the American public is stupid and needs the government to take care of them.
Some of you seem pretty angry. It's okay to lighten up a little.
I do think the majority of the general population is stupid.
As for the government taking care of people, I've voiced my opinion about that here many times. No need to repeat myself.