PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on February 14, 2017, 06:57:31 AM
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After misleading the administration about conversations with the Russians.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/
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Must be more fake news.
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Flynn's background is impeccable. So should Trump want to keep someone that screwed up, or would you rather his Administration be transparent, and do the right thing? Unlike the Obama Admin who kept people like Holder, and Lynch. And then there is Van Jones.
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Flynn's background is impeccable. So should Trump want to keep someone that screwed up, or would you rather his Administration be transparent, and do the right thing? Unlike the Obama Admin who kept people like Holder, and Lynch. And then there is Van Jones.
Flynn resigns, the dems will be doing victory laps today. Tomorrow the President will appoint someone else to fill the job, the dems will go ballistic, set up false outrage, their MSM will go on the attack.
Nothing Trump will ever say or do will placate them.
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I don't understand why he would lie about it to begin with. Bizarre.
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I don't understand why he would lie about it to begin with. Bizarre.
Either do I. Very disappointing.
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Either do I. Very disappointing.
Finally! After 8 years of hinernating, the press relearns "investigative journalism".
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Finally! After 8 years of hinernating, the press relearns "investigative journalism".
Well, I wouldn't call it investigative journalism, I would call it mostly propaganda to push a leftist agenda. Not saying that is the case here, but if you look at the daily fake news Trump bashing that is mainly the case.
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The Russian Foreign ministries vehemently defended him.
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Well, I wouldn't call it investigative journalism, I would call it mostly propaganda to push a leftist agenda. Not saying that is the case here, but if you look at the daily fake news Trump bashing that is mainly the case.
I still maintain it was investigative journalism. Something that was sorely lacking for the past 8 year.
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At first glance I thought this thread was about Walter Jr.
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At first glance I thought this thread was about Walter Jr.
It crossed my mind that BFlynn was quitting PS.
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Two issues here from my point of view.
First, the transcript was leaked from US intelligence sources, that just shows how many embedded apparatchik fellow-traveller's remain and support the Obama ShadowGov, and that our very own intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in operations against the office of the President - that to me is the much larger and far more dangerous issue. The instruments of our government are being used to disrupt the governing of our nation.
For the second, I am in no way surprised that Flynn immediately did the right thing which is to remove the distraction. I think it was Krauthammer who explained that even if what was described happened, as described, it is not an actual violation of the Logan Act - what this ends up being is a 'cover-up with no crime' is how he framed it. Not sure I would even call it a cover-up, possible Flynn did not think his discussion rose to the level he needed to disclose but really does not matter.
Considering how long criminals remained in the Obama Admin this should be refreshing, and given Trump's trademark line from The Apprentice and his history in business and on the campaign removing people who were no longer worth the pain of keeping them it should not be surprising.
Again, the real issue is that this shows our own intelligence system deliberately leaked the 'gist' of a discussion between a private citizen and a member of another government in order to weaponize themselves and act against the interests of the sitting President and his cabinet. That is what should piss people off in my opinion.
'Gimp
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Two issues here from my point of view.
First, the transcript was leaked from US intelligence sources, that just shows how many embedded apparatchik fellow-traveller's remain and support the Obama ShadowGov, and that our very own intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in operations against the office of the President - that to me is the much larger and far more dangerous issue. The instruments of our government are being used to disrupt the governing of our nation.
For the second, I am in no way surprised that Flynn immediately did the right thing which is to remove the distraction. I think it was Krauthammer who explained that even if what was described happened, as described, it is not an actual violation of the Logan Act - what this ends up being is a 'cover-up with no crime' is how he framed it. Not sure I would even call it a cover-up, possible Flynn did not think his discussion rose to the level he needed to disclose but really does not matter.
Considering how long criminals remained in the Obama Admin this should be refreshing, and given Trump's trademark line from The Apprentice and his history in business and on the campaign removing people who were no longer worth the pain of keeping them it should not be surprising.
Again, the real issue is that this shows our own intelligence system deliberately leaked the 'gist' of a discussion between a private citizen and a member of another government in order to weaponize themselves and act against the interests of the sitting President and his cabinet. That is what should piss people off in my opinion.
'Gimp
This, I listened to Spicer's news conference today, complete with commentary during it from George S and some other douche bag. But from what I could glean, it's unclear as to whether Flynn lied or forgot that he had spoken about sanctions, either of which is concerning for such a position.
My hope is that Trump goes full maniac mode and cleans house ridding these Obama appointee/hires and brings in people he can trust. It should be very obvious to him who is gunning for him now as far as the press and republicans.
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All the rats need fired. If some obscure civil service rule prohibits that, then investigate them for criminal conduct and put them if an office with no access to anything and nothing to do.
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I am reading Roger Stone's book "The Making of a President 2016." There is so much more to Trump than people generally realize. Too bad lefties will never know the strengths President Trump can bring to our country.
I, too, have confidence he will weed out those who can't perform or whom he cannot trust. His dismissal of Christie was true to form.
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Two issues here from my point of view.
First, the transcript was leaked from US intelligence sources, that just shows how many embedded apparatchik fellow-traveller's remain and support the Obama ShadowGov, and that our very own intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in operations against the office of the President - that to me is the much larger and far more dangerous issue. The instruments of our government are being used to disrupt the governing of our nation.
For the second, I am in no way surprised that Flynn immediately did the right thing which is to remove the distraction. I think it was Krauthammer who explained that even if what was described happened, as described, it is not an actual violation of the Logan Act - what this ends up being is a 'cover-up with no crime' is how he framed it. Not sure I would even call it a cover-up, possible Flynn did not think his discussion rose to the level he needed to disclose but really does not matter.
Considering how long criminals remained in the Obama Admin this should be refreshing, and given Trump's trademark line from The Apprentice and his history in business and on the campaign removing people who were no longer worth the pain of keeping them it should not be surprising.
Again, the real issue is that this shows our own intelligence system deliberately leaked the 'gist' of a discussion between a private citizen and a member of another government in order to weaponize themselves and act against the interests of the sitting President and his cabinet. That is what should piss people off in my opinion.
'Gimp
Also the President's phone conversations are also being monitored and leaked. Expect more to come until the moles are exterminated.
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He need to do this soon or a lot more leaks will take place. It is hard to believe we have come to the point where an outgoing administration put enough people into places to subvert the new administration as much as possible.
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He need to do this soon or a lot more leaks will take place. It is hard to believe we have come to the point where an outgoing administration put enough people into places to subvert the new administration as much as possible.
I suspect some civil service clerk will have a sudden, fatal accident,
and the leaks will slow down.
I hope.
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He need to do this soon or a lot more leaks will take place. It is hard to believe we have come to the point where an outgoing administration put enough people into places to subvert the new administration as much as possible.
I'm not surprised at all. This has Obama's fingerprints all over it.
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I suspect some civil service clerk will have a sudden, fatal accident,
and the leaks will slow down.
I hope.
That's the democrat way to handle it. I suspect the Trump administration will take care of it by cleaning house.
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I'm not surprised at all. This has Obama's fingerprints all over it.
You mean Valerie Jarrett's.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-obama-officials-loyalists-waged-campaign-oust-flynn/
This is treasonous.
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Two issues here from my point of view.
First, the transcript was leaked from US intelligence sources, that just shows how many embedded apparatchik fellow-traveller's remain and support the Obama ShadowGov, and that our very own intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in operations against the office of the President - that to me is the much larger and far more dangerous issue. The instruments of our government are being used to disrupt the governing of our nation.
For the second, I am in no way surprised that Flynn immediately did the right thing which is to remove the distraction. I think it was Krauthammer who explained that even if what was described happened, as described, it is not an actual violation of the Logan Act - what this ends up being is a 'cover-up with no crime' is how he framed it. Not sure I would even call it a cover-up, possible Flynn did not think his discussion rose to the level he needed to disclose but really does not matter.
Considering how long criminals remained in the Obama Admin this should be refreshing, and given Trump's trademark line from The Apprentice and his history in business and on the campaign removing people who were no longer worth the pain of keeping them it should not be surprising.
Again, the real issue is that this shows our own intelligence system deliberately leaked the 'gist' of a discussion between a private citizen and a member of another government in order to weaponize themselves and act against the interests of the sitting President and his cabinet. That is what should piss people off in my opinion.
'Gimp
Spot on. I was on the treadmill yesterday and watched the dem press conference before Spicer's daily briefing.
This is reminiscent of the USS Indianapolis.
The Dem chorus of "What did Trump know and when did he know it?" is disgusting, given that they didn't use those 10 words even once regarding Obama, including after Benghazi.
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It is not surprising that the progresssives are pretending again.
Flynn is dangerous to them because he knows a great deal about the corrupt Iran deal and who and what went on.
That Steingar and others use this as an opportunity to attack is neither a surprise , no is it credible.
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Yeah, Ghengis Can't and his minions should be able to break the law as they see fit, and those folks who expose their misdeeds should go to jail!
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Yeah, Ghengis Can't and his minions should be able to break the law as they see fit, and those folks who expose their misdeeds should go to jail!
Your bullshit is particularly typical of someone who puts partisnaship ahead of integrity and pretends he is the smartest person in the room to cover up a habit of being disgustingly uninformed about just about everything.
Good work.
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Of course, the really interesting thing is Flynn's activities are in line with the disclosures in the Russia Dossier. While seemingly gossip, it was put together by a former MI6 agent with a sterling reputation, and now some of its disclosures turn out to be fact. Of greater interest is the fact that Sally Yates went to the White House and told them all about Flynn's transgressions last month. Flynn wasn't fired to being to cosy with the Russkies, he was fired to being found out.
What is even more interesting is Prima Donald will start a 3 a.m. twitter shitstorm the moment anyone offends him, but has been unusually circumspect about Putin.
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Again, perfesser triple digit puts his ignorance on full public display.
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And I'm seeing reports that multiple members of Hair Furher's campaign staff and business minions were in contact with officials within and without the Russian Intelligence services. More and more interesting.
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http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/why-you-should-fear-the-leaks-that-felled-mike-flynn/
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Yeah, Ghengis Can't and his minions should be able to break the law as they see fit, and those folks who expose their misdeeds should go to jail!
Michael, please regale the group with what law was broken?
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And I'm seeing reports that multiple members of Hair Furher's campaign staff and business minions were in contact with officials within and without the Russian Intelligence services. More and more interesting.
I see agent DOUBLE-Oh ZERO is picking his nose in the faculty lounge, again.
The funny thing about your ignorance, Micheal, is that you hit the nail on the head. YOUR OWN HEAD.
(http://www.gopusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/gv680_190214.jpg)
The most frightening thing about your posts is the trouble you go to to remind us how dangerous it is to send our children to college, because they are full of idiots like you teaching lies, innuendo and flat out idiocy.
http://theweek.com/articles/680068/americas-spies-anonymously-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying
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And I'm seeing reports that multiple members of Hair Furher's campaign staff and business minions were in contact with officials within and without the Russian Intelligence services. More and more interesting.
Other than the fact that they are Republicans, what is wrong with the President Elect's team having contact with the Russians prior to inauguration?
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No doubt, the left is is going to anything they can to destroy Trump. He stands for everything they are against and having worked so hard through taking over the school systems and the colleges and now the bureaucracy they are in a panic mode to make sure he cannot reverse any of the progress they have made in bringing the country closer to the full on Socialism they desire.
I have been excited at the prospect of what the future of the country can be. But now we even have to No Trump Republicans calling for hearings into this Flynn thing. What the fuck is going on? We also have all of these organized protest at the town hall meetings, to the point where the representatives cannot even speak. If the cancer cannot be removed from the bureaucracy the country will be lost as the leaks continue and the compliant left media keeps the drum beat going.
I heard a report saying that before Obama was elected, his choice for Russian Ambassador had been in contact with Russian officials. I just went to Google and put in this search phrase, "Obama Russian Ambassador contacts Russia prior to his election" The results are predominantly about Trump and Flynn. I guess even Google is into this now.
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Michael, please regale the group with what law was broken?
Actually, this is admittedly weak, but the actual law, the Logan Act, dates back to 1790 and prohibits private citizens from engaging in diplomacy. It is seldom enforced, since some private citizens do engage in diplomacy at the behest of the government. In addition to being technically illegal (when this happened Hair Furher hadn't yet been elected, so Flyn was private citizen Flyn) it was massively inappropriate, which is why he tried to keep it a secret. Allegations are surfacing that others around Bratman were in contact with Russian officials as well. More and more of the Russian Dossier is coming true. I wonder what the Russkies have on The Xenophbic Sweet Potato, who of course is madly tweeting how bad it is that the misdeeds of his staff are coming to light.
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In addition to being technically illegal (when this happened Hair Furher hadn't yet been elected, so Flyn was private citizen Flyn) it was massively inappropriate,
Can you provide any citations to that effect? Everything I read placed Flynn's conversationswith Kislyak in December, AFTER Trump was elected.
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Can you provide any citations to that effect? Everything I read placed Flynn's conversationswith Kislyak in December, AFTER Trump was elected.
But he didn't assume office until 20 January 2017.
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Actually, this is admittedly weak, but the actual law, the Logan Act, dates back to 1790 and prohibits private citizens from engaging in diplomacy. It is seldom enforced, since some private citizens do engage in diplomacy at the behest of the government. In addition to being technically illegal (when this happened Hair Furher hadn't yet been elected, so Flyn was private citizen Flyn) it was massively inappropriate, which is why he tried to keep it a secret. Allegations are surfacing that others around Bratman were in contact with Russian officials as well. More and more of the Russian Dossier is coming true. I wonder what the Russkies have on The Xenophbic Sweet Potato, who of course is madly tweeting how bad it is that the misdeeds of his staff are coming to light.
Did you and your fellow faculty sit around and come up with insulting names for Obama and Hillary?
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Other than the fact that they are Republicans, what is wrong with the President Elect's team having contact with the Russians prior to inauguration?
If you have trouble figuring out what's wrong with one side of an election having close contact with a hostile foreign government that was actively trying to influence said election to their benefit, you have no business calling me stupid.
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If you have trouble figuring out what's wrong with one side of an election having close contact with a hostile foreign government that was actively trying to influence said election to their benefit, you have no business calling me stupid.
The contact was after the election Michael.
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If you have trouble figuring out what's wrong with one side of an election having close contact with a hostile foreign government that was actively trying to influence said election to their benefit, you have no business calling me stupid.
And yet it's perfectly OK for Obama's people to have negotiations with Hamas before HE took office.
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So the Feral Shouting Meatball starts a twitterstorm every time anyone offends his dignity. Just this morning he derided the news media for reporting on all the Russian contacts by members of his campaign, for example. On the other hand, the Russians have blatantly violated the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, buzzed US Naval vessels and parked a spy ship off our coast. And from the Tangerine Jesus, nothing. What have they got on him?
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If you have trouble figuring out what's wrong with one side of an election having close contact with a hostile foreign government that was actively trying to influence said election to their benefit, you have no business calling me stupid.
(1) The contact was after the election. You must be listening to that FAKE news.
(2) I have not called you stupid. Yet.
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(1) The contact was after the election. You must be listening to that FAKE news.
Not sure we really know the full timing of the different conversations, they clearly were before the President was sworn in. General Flynn should have known better (if he didn't, thats a whole different discussion). Haven't seen the transcript, for all we know, the contacts could have been completely innocuous. The FBI certainly knew about them and they were enough for the FBI to brief the President. It does seem that General Flynn was not honest and forthcoming in his informing the President and Vice-President on the substance of the conversations.. I can understand the President with his "eroding of trust" comment. He put both in a very uncomfortable position.
I do have a problem with who ever released the information that the transcripts existed. To me that is theft. Leaks are a way of life in Washington, every President has been vexed by them and they are exceedingly difficult to control.
(2) I have not called you stupid. Yet.
Would hope that you don't, because he isn't.
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Leaks are a way of life in Washington, every President has been vexed by them and they are exceedingly difficult to control.
Nixon wound up disgraced trying to plug leaks. Wasn't the crime, but the cover up. If you really don't want damaging leaks don't do anything the public would dislike, or be upfront when you do. I've always thought honesty and transparency were the best policies.
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If you have trouble figuring out what's wrong with one side of an election having close contact with a hostile foreign government that was actively trying to influence said election to their benefit, you have no business calling me stupid.
The above quote is beyond moronic.
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I've always thought honesty and transparency were the best policies.
You mean like how transparent and honest Hillary was? And the "transparency" of the Obama Administration?
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Nixon wound up disgraced trying to plug leaks. Wasn't the crime, but the cover up. If you really don't want damaging leaks don't do anything the public would dislike, or be upfront when you do. I've always thought honesty and transparency were the best policies.
Even when it comes to National Defense? A big part of the public is always going to be upset when a President has to make a difficult decision.
Speaking of transparency, trump has the most transparent administration ever. He tweets out everything he is going to do. Obama on the other hand had the least transparent administration in my memory.
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Leaks are a way of life in Washington, every President has been vexed by them and they are exceedingly difficult to control.
If you're Hillary, or more accurately her sycophants who were left literally scrambling for their livelihoods after her defeat at the polls, you complain that the real problem with the election is that Russia released your [accurate] emails and disclosed to the American public just how mendacious you are and how much you hold them in contempt.
Leftists want control. Their daily Two-Minutes Hate hyperventilations about something or another Trump did today is simply their spastic reaction to being out of power -- the rattling death throes of a failed and doomed ideology. On the other hand the stock market continues apace, and we have a nominee that the right can support to replace Antonin Scalia, and hopefully likewise if, perhaps, some disaffected Justice might decide to decamp for New Zealand (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-trump-ginsburg-commentary-idUSKCN0ZT2IM) in the next three years. Let the clowns in the streets continue make fools of themselves; its all a good show. Not to mention going right into the bank for "Reelect Trump 2020".
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Not sure we really know the full timing of the different conversations, they clearly were before the President was sworn in. General Flynn should have known better (if he didn't, thats a whole different discussion). Haven't seen the transcript, for all we know, the contacts could have been completely innocuous. The FBI certainly knew about them and they were enough for the FBI to brief the President. It does seem that General Flynn was not honest and forthcoming in his informing the President and Vice-President on the substance of the conversations.. I can understand the President with his "eroding of trust" comment. He put both in a very uncomfortable position.
I do have a problem with who ever released the information that the transcripts existed. To me that is theft. Leaks are a way of life in Washington, every President has been vexed by them and they are exceedingly difficult to control.
Steingar stated that those conversations occurred before the election. I couldn't find any reference of that so I asked him for a citation. Since neither you nor I nor anything I read implies information that he spoke to the Russian Ambassador before the election, and since Steingar did not back up his statement, I had to assume he made it up. Or more likely, blindly accepted the MSNBC version.
I agree that lying to the Vice President is unacceptable and firing for that is appropriate.
Would hope that you don't, because he isn't.
All I have to go on in that regard are his statements here. He said his IQ is greater than 99 and I believe him. As smart as he is though, I feel he is too willing to believe anything bad about Trump and anything good about his enemies. He sounds like my wife! :)
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Steingar stated that those conversations occurred before the election.
That's exactly what I've seen on a number of news outlets, which is why they troubled intelligence officials. No doubt I'll be vilified for saying so.
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Actually, this is admittedly weak, but the actual law, the Logan Act, dates back to 1790 and prohibits private citizens from engaging in diplomacy. It is seldom enforced, since some private citizens do engage in diplomacy at the behest of the government. In addition to being technically illegal (when this happened Hair Furher hadn't yet been elected, so Flyn was private citizen Flyn) it was massively inappropriate, which is why he tried to keep it a secret. Allegations are surfacing that others around Bratman were in contact with Russian officials as well. More and more of the Russian Dossier is coming true. I wonder what the Russkies have on The Xenophbic Sweet Potato, who of course is madly tweeting how bad it is that the misdeeds of his staff are coming to light.
Wow, I take a couple of months off from this joint and Steingar sounds like a 6th grade girl who is incapable of having a conversation without name calling. And people put their children in your classroom? Pathetic.
This is further proof of exactly how unhinged the left gets when they don't control every aspect of our lives, including the Fourth Estate.
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Welcome back.
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Welcome back.
Yeah, welcome back Stan, but it's not April 15 yet. Don't you have work to do?
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Stan the Man! :)
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I wonder what Democrats thought about this little gambit in the 80's?
Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html (http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html)
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5324802501001/?#sp=show-clips
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But he didn't assume office until 20 January 2017.
I guess Teddy Kennedy asking Russian help was Ok and Barack telling Putin he would have 'more flexibility' after the election ws a nothing...
Then there was John - Swift Boat - Kerry conspiring with the North Vietnamese alongside Hanoi Jane...
But then they were no information liberals like triple zero IQ Steingar and company.
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Yeah, welcome back Stan, but it's not April 15 yet. Don't you have work to do?
Well, you need a little break from the work sometimes, and I was getting bored having continual self loathing and guilt for being a white man, not paying my fair share, and being a racist, homophobic, misogynistic xenophobe.
So I thought I'd rejoin the swamp.
So, what's been shakin'?
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Well, you need a little break from the work sometimes, and I was getting bored having continual self loathing and guilt for being a white man, not paying my fair share, and being a racist, homophobic, misogynistic xenophobe.
Welcome back! ;) I can understand how the bolded activities could be boring! ;)
So I thought I'd rejoin the swamp.
So, what's been shakin'?
Still a swamp!
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We're still waiting for JeffDG to reappear. ???
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We're still waiting for JeffDG to reappear. ???
Perhaps he is avoiding the inevitable multiple "I told you so's" that would flood Pilot Spin (both directed toward JeffDG and coming from JeffDG)
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We're still waiting for JeffDG to reappear. ???
I didn't leave because I was pouting or anything. I left just to take a break, plus I was busy. In addition to work, I'm the Mx officer for our CAF wing and annuals are going on now (I'm not doing them but I'm coordinating everything with our outside A&Ps. Also, I'm chairman of our CAF Wisconsin Wing's Gathering of Warbirds which we held on Memorial Day Saturday, May 27, so I've had a lot on my plate.
But I started to wonder what my fellow irredeemable deplorables were up to.
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5324802501001/?#sp=show-clips
Excellent clip. I hope Steingar watches it, even if it is not on MSNBC.
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I didn't leave because I was pouting or anything. I left just to take a break, plus I was busy. In addition to work, I'm the Mx officer for our CAF wing and annuals are going on now (I'm not doing them but I'm coordinating everything with our outside A&Ps. Also, I'm chairman of our CAF Wisconsin Wing's Gathering of Warbirds which we held on Memorial Day Saturday, May 27, so I've had a lot on my plate.
But I started to wonder what my fellow irredeemable deplorables were up to.
We are still trying to explain to our resident liberals why they are so wrong WITHOUT running them off. (I don't even want Steingar to leave ;) ).
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I didn't leave because I was pouting or anything. I left just to take a break, plus I was busy. In addition to work, I'm the Mx officer for our CAF wing and annuals are going on now (I'm not doing them but I'm coordinating everything with our outside A&Ps. Also, I'm chairman of our CAF Wisconsin Wing's Gathering of Warbirds which we held on Memorial Day Saturday, May 27, so I've had a lot on my plate.
But I started to wonder what my fellow irredeemable deplorables were up to.
Sounds like fun? At least I don't have a job to go to, just a 300+ member EAA chapter to keep moving.
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I didn't leave because I was pouting or anything. I left just to take a break, plus I was busy. In addition to work, I'm the Mx officer for our CAF wing and annuals are going on now (I'm not doing them but I'm coordinating everything with our outside A&Ps. Also, I'm chairman of our CAF Wisconsin Wing's Gathering of Warbirds which we held on Memorial Day Saturday, May 27, so I've had a lot on my plate.
But I started to wonder what my fellow irredeemable deplorables were up to.
Sheesh. What about us redeemable deplorables?
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Sheesh. What about us redeemable deplorables?
I'll wait until you come all the way over to the R side before I consider you redeemed.
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Excellent clip. I hope Steingar watches it, even if it is not on MSNBC.
Steingar has watched your little clip. What you Trumpkins fail to realize is that the Russians are quite determined to delegitimize democracies. They almost certainly did so here, just finished rigging an election in the Netherlands, and have their eyes set on European elections next year. As such contacts between The Angry Cheeto's chief lieutenants and Russian officials during the campaign is at best suspicious as all hell, especially given that the Tangerine Jesus himself egged them on to make disclosures about his opponent during the campaign (funny how he liked leaks then). That said, I think this is all smoke and no fire. I strongly doubt the K-Mart Caesar has neither the savvy nor the sagacity to conspire with the Russians and actually keep it a secret for any length of time. He'd brag about it if nothing else. I think his best option is full disclosure. I really doubt there's anything to it at all.
Had the Hildebeast this kind of contact with the Russians prior to the election you'd demand her scalp rightly so. The more disquieting aspect of all this is you are all perfectly happy with Russian meddling in our elections because your Barbecued Brutus won. Thus no one is going to do anything about Russian meddling in Western democracies. Hence they win. It is just as the Hildebeast said. The Talking Yam is a acting, overtly or inadvertently, like a Russian Stooge. I still wonder what they have on him.
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I'll wait until you come all the way over to the R side before I consider you redeemed.
I don't think I'll ever make it that far. But I could see myself solidly libertarian.
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Steingar has watched your little clip. What you Trumpkins fail to realize is that the Russians are quite determined to delegitimize democracies. They almost certainly did so here, just finished rigging an election in the Netherlands, and have their eyes set on European elections next year. As such contacts between The Angry Cheeto's chief lieutenants and Russian officials during the campaign is at best suspicious as all hell, especially given that the Tangerine Jesus himself egged them on to make disclosures about his opponent during the campaign (funny how he liked leaks then). That said, I think this is all smoke and no fire. I strongly doubt the K-Mart Caesar has neither the savvy nor the sagacity to conspire with the Russians and actually keep it a secret for any length of time. He'd brag about it if nothing else. I think his best option is full disclosure. I really doubt there's anything to it at all.
Had the Hildebeast this kind of contact with the Russians prior to the election you'd demand her scalp rightly so. The more disquieting aspect of all this is you are all perfectly happy with Russian meddling in our elections because your Barbecued Brutus won. Thus no one is going to do anything about Russian meddling in Western democracies. Hence they win. It is just as the Hildebeast said. The Talking Yam is a acting, overtly or inadvertently, like a Russian Stooge. I still wonder what they have on him.
It's actually fun watching the alt left radicals disintegrating and in their death throws.
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I don't think I'll ever make it that far. But I could see myself solidly libertarian.
That's good enough. And if/when the Libertarian party matures to a viable choice, rather than merely shifting the win to either the Rs or Ds, I will join you. But I can't do that if it means the likes of Hillary may win.
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Steingar has watched your little clip. What you Trumpkins fail to realize is that the Russians are quite determined to delegitimize democracies. They almost certainly did so here, just finished rigging an election in the Netherlands, and have their eyes set on European elections next year. As such contacts between The Angry Cheeto's chief lieutenants and Russian officials during the campaign is at best suspicious as all hell, especially given that the Tangerine Jesus himself egged them on to make disclosures about his opponent during the campaign (funny how he liked leaks then). That said, I think this is all smoke and no fire. I strongly doubt the K-Mart Caesar has neither the savvy nor the sagacity to conspire with the Russians and actually keep it a secret for any length of time. He'd brag about it if nothing else. I think his best option is full disclosure. I really doubt there's anything to it at all.
Had the Hildebeast this kind of contact with the Russians prior to the election you'd demand her scalp rightly so. The more disquieting aspect of all this is you are all perfectly happy with Russian meddling in our elections because your Barbecued Brutus won. Thus no one is going to do anything about Russian meddling in Western democracies. Hence they win. It is just as the Hildebeast said. The Talking Yam is a acting, overtly or inadvertently, like a Russian Stooge. I still wonder what they have on him.
Reductio ad absurdum.... "Trumpians" bear no illusions as to what Putin is or what he represents. I can't tell if you believe what you write or you think we are so stupid we will just accept your premises. Honestly, we just understand the absurdity of the media trying to turn alleged communications before the campaign or actual communications of a cabinet appointee into some type of collusion between Trump and the Russians. Especially when said media ignored actual collusion that lined Hillary's pockets when she signed off on the deal that gave the Russians control over 20% of our uranium reserves/supply. Russia has had an unprecedented negative (for us) resurgence under the impotence of Obama and failed democrat initiatives. Putin understood Obama is a pussy. He manipulated and out maneuvered Obama, Clinton and Kerry at every turn. He took over parts of the Ukraine with barely a whimper from Obama, even though we had promised that we would protect them when they disarmed.
I was highly entertained by Trump's news conference today, and he dealt with the Russian issue quite effectively in my mind. I think Trump will continue full speed ahead on his campaign promises, which will further drive people like you nuts. I think the people who leaked the latest secret information about Flynn should be hung, they won't be, but I believe they will be caught. I think that this Russian thing is the latest attempt by the Democrats to take Trump down, but I don't think it will work.
I have to ask you though, Trump's mission is to "make America great again", why do you and your ilk want America to fail?
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Reductio ad absurdum.... "Trumpians" bear no illusions as to what Putin is or what he represents. I can't tell if you believe what you write or you think we are so stupid we will just accept your premises. Honestly, we just understand the absurdity of the media trying to turn alleged communications before the campaign or actual communications of a cabinet appointee into some type of collusion between Trump and the Russians.
I actually said I believed exactly the opposite. I just think it is a pity that Conservatives are ignoring Russian interference in democratic elections just because their guy won.
Especially when said media ignored actual collusion that lined Hillary's pockets when she signed off on the deal that gave the Russians control over 20% of our uranium reserves/supply.
It was widely reported. Problem is, as bad as that looks there were a half dozen other agencies that all had to sign off on that deal. Even had the Russians succeeded in suborning her to their purposes, that doesn't explain the other cabinet level officials that similarly signed off. I don't know how anyone in Russia can "own" a Uranium mine in North America. What are they going to do, dig it out and take it with them? My guess is they lost that investment when they invaded Crimea.
Russia has had an unprecedented negative (for us) resurgence under the impotence of Obama and failed democrat initiatives. Putin understood Obama is a pussy. He manipulated and out maneuvered Obama, Clinton and Kerry at every turn. He took over parts of the Ukraine with barely a whimper from Obama, even though we had promised that we would protect them when they disarmed.
Guilty as charged. That said, what would you have Obama do? Start a full scale European war with Russia? Still, they tried their own detente and Putin spit it back in their faces. I guess that Black Sea port is a big deal to him. That said we should have seen this coming. The Russians have previously carved out their own little states within Georgia and Belarus.
I have to ask you though, Trump's mission is to "make America great again", why do you and your ilk want America to fail?
The difference between you and me is really simple. In order for America to be great again it had to stop being so at some point. I don't think it ever did. I think America is truly far greater than she ever was, and will be greater still in the future, The Feral Shouting Meatball notwithstanding. His ascendency will be a bump in the road, but only that. America is far too vibrant to be led that far off track by one egomaniacal moron.
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The difference between you and me is really simple. In order for America to be great again it had to stop being so at some point. I don't think it ever did. I think America is truly far greater than she ever was, and will be greater still in the future, The Feral Shouting Meatball notwithstanding. His ascendency will be a bump in the road, but only that. America is far too vibrant to be led that far off track by one egomaniacal moron.
Sometimes it is true that liberals don't all speak with one voice.
When it comes to "Make America Great again", many liberals claim America was never great and point to the American Indian situation, slavery and the Depression to prove it. Others claim "it is still great". I disagree with both.
America has been the greatest country in the world and has done more good for the world than any country in history. We have provided an ever increasing standard of living for our people and we have shared that with much of the world. Yeah, we made mistakes along the way, and we were never perfect. But we were great.
But if you still think we ARE as great as we used to be, ask any millennial how they feel about being the first generation that looks to fare worse than their parents. Look at that animosity towards our police forces and even towards or own Federal Government.
Maybe we are still great. But we are not as great as we used to be or as great as we can be.
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His ascendency will be a bump in the road, but only that. America is far too vibrant to be led that far off track by one egomaniacal moron.
Yes, and now that Mocha O'Chill is on the Tour, President Trump can correct all the fucked up anti-American policies he shoved up our collective ass.
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It's actually fun watching the alt left radicals disintegrating and in their death throws.
It's funny and sad at the same time. I just got done catching up on a global warming thread where he appears to be doing lots and lots of self pleasuring, impressed by how smart he is, yet here he believes that the Russians, by breaking into DNC emails showing, for example, Donna Brasile giving CNN debate questions to Hillary Clinton, the Russians have "almost certainly" delegitimized our democracy.
It appears that expertise, real or contrived, in one area does not necessarily equate to expertise in other areas such as politics and geopolitical matters.
But whatever it takes to delegitimize Donald Trump's victory. I think the only arrow the Left has in their quiver is to, as one Rhodes scholar shouted in Ferguson, Missouri, "Burn this bitch down."
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The difference between you and me is really simple. In order for America to be great again it had to stop being so at some point. I don't think it ever did. I think America is truly far greater than she ever was, and will be greater still in the future, The Feral Shouting Meatball notwithstanding. His ascendency will be a bump in the road, but only that. America is far too vibrant to be led that far off track by one egomaniacal moron.
Must be nice and cozy in the ivory tower...
In any case, try to remember what you posted above when you whine about "America" being behind other countries in some category or another.
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I have to ask you though, Trump's mission is to "make America great again", why do you and your ilk want America to fail?
People like Michael have been indoctrinated to think it cool, and trendy to hate, and bash America, and what has made it a place where everyone wants to come. They blame white Christians, slave owning founding fathers, those who eradicated the Indians, and the perceived colonialism since we became successful. It is SELF LOATHING. A miserable, unhappy, and envious existence.
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I disagree with steingar at every turn.
He is an egotistical bore, with a messiah complex in full bloom and furious that we don't fall at his feet with every prophetic babbling he posts.
Like many sheltered snowflakes in academia, steingar looks down his nose at the people who actually produce things of value that pay the bills for his elitist academic hothouse and believes he is entitled to even more just because he is so devastatingly brilliant, suave, and superior.
His ego, coupled with his frighteningly small level of understanding combine into a fire breathing bigot of epic proportions using his questionable academic credentials as a bludgeon to try and get his way.
In short, he is a typical academic snowflake.
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Must be nice and cozy in the ivory tower...
In any case, try to remember what you posted above when you whine about "America" being behind other countries in some category or another.
Part and parcel of excellence is the continual strive to do better.
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Part and parcel of excellence is the continual strive to do better.
True.
Also part and parcel of excellence is recognizing when you are wrong.
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The difference between you and me is really simple. In order for America to be great again it had to stop being so at some point. I don't think it ever did. I think America is truly far greater than she ever was, and will be greater still in the future, The Feral Shouting Meatball notwithstanding. His ascendency will be a bump in the road, but only that. America is far too vibrant to be led that far off track by one egomaniacal moron.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-mess-trump-inherited-is-real/
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The sad thing about Michael Steingar and his cabal of useful idiots is that they truly believe that the great revolution is at hand that will sweep them into positions of unspeakable power and importance. That naive, childlike, ignorance of history is where the foot soldiers belonging to tyrants, traitors and cowards come from in every generation.
Steingar is frothing at the mouth, believing that his idols are intimately aware of his 'sacrifice' and 'devotion.' He and his brethren deeply believe in the coming utopian America where he and his pathetic peers rule over everyone else, dispensing wisdom and justice as they see fit, and raking in bribes, gifts and the work of other people's hands.
It is as sad as it is pathetic and would be funny if he weren't such a blind ideologue, marching to the drum beat of bigotry and ignorance.
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Double standard? What double standard?
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One thing - once this fades, I will be glad to quit seeing my name on the front page. You don't know how jarring that is...Even just seeing this thread I'm thinking "wait, not I didn't. Resign from what?"
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An ancient skeleton was discovered near the town of Kennewick, near me. It was called Kennewick Man, and was quite the stir in the archaeological world.
It still jars me to pick up a paper and see headlines like "Kennewick Man Arrested for Drunk Driving" or "Kennewick Man Receives Small Business Award."