PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on May 15, 2017, 07:29:20 AM
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Spinning up impeachment talk, the new wet dream of the progressives. Apparently they don't need to know how the impeachment process actually works.
Also, in this article the writer talks about the impeachment of Andrew Johnson and how Nixon avoided impeachment, but strangely ignores the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-must-be-impeached-heres-why/2017/05/13/82ce2ea4-374d-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html
The time has come for Congress to launch an impeachment investigation of President Trump for obstruction of justice.
The remedy of impeachment was designed to create a last-resort mechanism for preserving our constitutional system. It operates by removing executive-branch officials who have so abused power through what the framers called “high crimes and misdemeanors” that they cannot be trusted to continue in office.
"Obstruction of Justice"............now that's reaching. And the clown that wrote this is a Harvard legal Professor and supposed "Constitutional Law Professor". (Wasn't that the same thing BHO claimed he was?)
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The leftist media, which comprises about 95% of it, along with its supervisor, the Democrat elite are still trying to de-legitimize the Trump Presidency. If they can create enough controversy over nothing, their hope is that eventually John, and Jane Q. Public will believe the propaganda, and vote D in the next election cycle(s). They want to undermine Trump, and destroy any hope of an America with a meaningful Constitution in place, with values, and characteristics that make people WANT to come her for freedom, and opportunity.
What we are seeing from the media/Dem/elitist coalition is SEDITION. Purposeful undermining of the legitimate U.S. government in order to create chaos, upheaval, and eventual leadership change. In other words a COUP. If they do not succeed with words, lies, and propaganda, we will see them use violence, and intimidation. This has already occurred by BLM, and others assaulting Trump supporters, and conservative speakers at various times, and events.
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Before the next elections (2018) you are going to see violence ramped up by the progressives like never before.
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Before the next elections (2018) you are going to see violence ramped up by the progressives like never before.
I just finished watching a documentary on Prohibition. I didn't know very much about how that came about and always assumed it was conservative religious people who protested alcohol. Well it was, however, it actually was a PROGRESSIVE movement. It was a bunch of women, the same ones who pushed suffrage and early feminism, and they resorted to violence, vandalism, threats, etc., to get their way. In other words, they behaved very much like the violent left protestors in the streets today.
The prohibition zealots resorted to the same deplorable tactics used by the left today, including lying and propaganda. They got into the schools to "educate" children from the start that even one drop of alcohol is enough to poison and kill you. (As it turns out, most alcohol related death and injury occurred during prohibition, when it was illegal because that's when poisonous substances were added to stretch the supply.)
This country eventually got around to reversing that horrid mistake. I'm just seeing the parallels here, hoping that most sane people are seeing these leftists as the extremist lunatics they really are, with the same zeal to tell the rest of us how to live our lives as the prohibitionists. I'm hoping we don't have to descend down the same horrible road again before we realize the mistake. Maybe we already have with Obamacare. Trump winning in an electoral landslide gives me hope. Chinese citizens for God's sake, recognizing these people for the evil that they are, gives me hope. If progressives ramp up the violence, bring it! Show us just how monstrous you really are. Let us see how fake is your hypocritical front of peace and compassion.
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The leftist media, which comprises about 95% of it, along with its supervisor, the Democrat elite are still trying to de-legitimize the Trump Presidency. If they can create enough controversy over nothing, their hope is that eventually John, and Jane Q. Public will believe the propaganda, and vote D in the next election cycle(s). They want to undermine Trump, and destroy any hope of an America with a meaningful Constitution in place, with values, and characteristics that make people WANT to come her for freedom, and opportunity.
What we are seeing from the media/Dem/elitist coalition is SEDITION. Purposeful undermining of the legitimate U.S. government in order to create chaos, upheaval, and eventual leadership change. In other words a COUP. If they do not succeed with words, lies, and propaganda, we will see them use violence, and intimidation. This has already occurred by BLM, and others assaulting Trump supporters, and conservative speakers at various times, and events.
So, basically the same thing the republicans did in '08 with the birther crap and numerous other calls for impeachment with no practical basis?
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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So, basically the same thing the republicans did in '08 with the birther crap and numerous other calls for impeachment with no practical basis?
Ah no. Did any of that receive widespread Republican support as well as daily harping by the media that it was true? I never heard the word Obama, and impeachment in the same sentence for the eight years he was in office. If anything was said against his politics, or policies it was immediately called RACIST by the MEDIA and DEMOCRATS.
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So, basically the same thing the republicans did in '08 with the birther crap and numerous other calls for impeachment with no practical basis?
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
Completely different.
For one thing, Citizenship is one of the few requirements for the Presidency. Asking for proof if there is any question whatsoever is completely valid. His resistance to releasing it was what made the birther movement.
Other calls for impeachment of Obama were very isolated and resisted even by those that hated him because there was on impeachable offense. Today, the Democrats and the press are actively calling for impeachment with little resistance other than from Trump Supporters.
Your post reminds me of how every time Obama was criticized, he and his supporters would always find a way to say "well, the Republicans did something bad once too", even if it was nowhere near the scale of what Obama did. Now Democrats are ready to burn the country down and you say "well, Republicans were mad too". How many riots did Republicans stage after Obama was elected? How many liberals were booed off college campuses.
I'm getting where I can't even stand talking to most of the liberals I know because they get so irrational and froth at the mouth. It makes me want to have a second scoop of ice cream, just to piss them off.
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And some other big differences. No violent rioting in the streets, blocking traffic on the Interstates. Also the "birther crap" was an effort to document that Obama was a born citizen, based on such facts as his grandmother and step siblings going around saying they attended his birth in Kenya. What the Democrats are doing is just making stuff up. Like Russia hacked the election, absolutely ludicrous stuff with no facts in sight to even try to prove or disprove.
Well it says you posted Little Joe while I was typing this, but I'll post it anyway. Kinda thinking alike I think.
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And some other big differences. No violent rioting in the streets, blocking traffic on the Interstates. Also the "birther crap" was an effort to document that Obama was a born citizen, based on such facts as his grandmother and step siblings going around saying they attended his birth in Kenya. What the Democrats are doing is just making stuff up. Like Russia hacked the election, absolutely ludicrous stuff with no facts in sight to even try to prove or disprove.
Well it says you posted Little Joe while I was typing this, but I'll post it anyway. Kinda thinking alike I think.
The Republicans were just making stuff up, too. While I will agree that there was no "violent rioting" from the masses, there was still a lot of outright protests on street corners and people being belligerent regarding what the POTUS can and can't be impeached for. Nothing like using hearsay over the place of birth as a grounds for calling for impeachment, eh? I think it's funny, as someone who is neither R or D, watching both sides be so hypocritical of the other when the tables were flipped 8 years ago. Hell, Inhoff/Coburn of my own home state went off about impeachment of Obama after the Benghazi attack.
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I think it's funny, as someone who is neither R or D,
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So, basically the same thing the republicans did in '08 with the birther crap and numerous other calls for impeachment with no practical basis?
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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What utter, predictable, bullshit.
Congratulations.
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Care to elaborate, or is posting memes all you had to add?
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What utter, predictable, bullshit.
Congratulations.
Aww, triggered much? Try using something factual for a rebuttal next time. Otherwise it just makes you seem petulant.
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Care to elaborate, or is posting memes all you had to add?
I always find it amusing that a conservative will always be willing to admit to his/her conservatism, but liberal/progressives try to disassociate themselves with their ideology (in public, at least).
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I always find it amusing that a conservative will always be willing to admit to his/her conservatism, but liberal/progressives try to disassociate themselves with their ideology (in public, at least).
So, where, in anything that I posted, was anything that alluded to me disassociating myself from a liberal/progressive ideology? I'm not a Democrat, that is a fact, as evidenced by my voter registration. I'm also not a Republican, as evidenced by the same document. My schadenfreude over the OP's post regarding getting all butt-hurt regarding the calls for impeachment shows no partisanship whatsoever. So, please continue with your conclusions with no basis in fact . . .
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So, where, in anything that I posted, was anything that alluded to me disassociating myself from a liberal/progressive ideology? I'm not a Democrat, that is a fact, as evidenced by my voter registration. I'm also not a Republican, as evidenced by the same document. My schadenfreude over the OP's post regarding getting all butt-hurt regarding the calls for impeachment shows no partisanship whatsoever. So, please continue with your conclusions with no basis in fact . . .
I don't consider myself a Republican, nor Democrat either. I consider myself a Constitutionalist. However, I am not OK with the Democrat/Media alliance making up stuff, getting violent, and being intolerant of opposing views. This constant IMPEACH Trump mantra, and calling him Hitler, and a Nazi is getting old. They just want to be disruptive to stop his agenda. They hate the Constitution.
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I don't consider myself a Republican, nor Democrat either. I consider myself a Constitutionalist. However, I am not OK with the Democrat/Media alliance making up stuff, getting violent, and being intolerant of opposing views. This constant IMPEACH Trump mantra, and calling him Hitler, and a Nazi is getting old. They just want to be disruptive to stop his agenda. They hate the Constitution.
I absolutely agree with that sentiment. I think it's ridiculous when stuff like that comes out of the mouths from either party. I don't like sensationalism, and the media lives on it, which means their readers/viewers salivate over it.
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The Republicans were just making stuff up, too. While I will agree that there was no "violent rioting" from the masses, there was still a lot of outright protests on street corners and people being belligerent regarding what the POTUS can and can't be impeached for. Nothing like using hearsay over the place of birth as a grounds for calling for impeachment, eh? I think it's funny, as someone who is neither R or D, watching both sides be so hypocritical of the other when the tables were flipped 8 years ago. Hell, Inhoff/Coburn of my own home state went off about impeachment of Obama after the Benghazi attack.
Agree both sides have been hypocritical and also like you and Anthony I am not Republican nor Democrat, but I don't recall the Republicans making stuff up out of thin air, not on the whole and not broadcast in the conservative media (small as that is). Every serious complaint approaching an impeachment discussion was concerning real stuff Obama was actually doing. Now, certain Republican individuals do make stuff up, and there are extremists on the right on the internet that invent loony toon stuff, but the Democrats, their extremist delusions are in their mainstream discussion, mainstream media. It's reached a level lately I have never before in my life seen.
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Agree both sides have been hypocritical and also like you and Anthony I am not Republican nor Democrat, but I don't recall the Republicans making stuff up out of thin air, not on the whole and not broadcast in the conservative media (small as that is). Every serious complaint approaching an impeachment discussion was concerning real stuff Obama was actually doing. Now, certain Republican individuals do make stuff up, and there are extremists on the right on the internet that invent loony toon stuff, but the Democrats, their extremist delusions are in their mainstream discussion, mainstream media. It's reached a level lately I have never before in my life seen.
And it's going to get much worse.
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And it's going to get much worse.
Gun and ammo prices are low.
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Gun and ammo prices are low.
The problem is this: Use a gun to defend yourself against one of these leftist goons and injure or kill him/her, and then your judge is a leftist judge, count on being screwed.
Violence is going to get ratcheted up to unprecedented levels in this country, especially as we approach the next two elections.
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Someone is touchy because we won't fawn all over his hatred of republicans...
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The problem is this: Use a gun to defend yourself against one of these leftist goons and injure or kill him/her, and then your judge is a leftist judge, count on being screwed.
Violence is going to get ratcheted up to unprecedented levels in this country, especially as we approach the next two elections.
Anytime you use deadly force to LEGALLY defend you or your family's lives (real threat of death/bodily harm, or home invasion, etc.) you are putting yourself at GREAT risk of incarceration, and huge financial liability even if it is necessary, and legal. It could ruin your life. The flip side is, that this may be your only alternative to keep your life. The old saying, "I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6" comes to mind.
Avoid, avoid, avoid (if possible)!
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And here is yet another MSM liberal progressive wet dream:
http://time.com/4692507/congress-remove-donald-trump-impeachment/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook
But there is another provision in the Amendment that has received much less popular attention — one that could allow Congress to play a role in removing the President. And no, it isn’t impeachment. Instead, a little-known provision in Section 4 empowers Congress to form its own body to evaluate the President’s fitness for office, eliminating the need for the Cabinet’s involvement in the process (emphasis ours):
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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Lol ;D ;D ;D
"...such other body as Congress may by law provide..."
What are the odds of that ever happening, even with a democrat majority in each body? They would need a veto override.
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Lol ;D ;D ;D
"...such other body as Congress may by law provide..."
What are the odds of that ever happening, even with a democrat majority in each body? They would need a veto override.
Grasping. At. Straws.
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Some Democrats were saying he should've been impeached well before any of this stuff about Comey or Flynn ever came out. We aren't anywhere near impeachment right now, though you'd like the sky is falling by watching/reading news reports.
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Some Democrats were saying he should've been impeached well before any of this stuff about Comey or Flynn ever came out. We aren't anywhere near impeachment right now, though you'd like the sky is falling by watching/reading news reports.
They are trying to create instability right now over nothing regarding the Trump Admin. It is treasonous.
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They are trying to create instability right now over nothing regarding the Trump Admin. It is treasonous.
I wouldn't say it's nothing. There seems to be a lot of linear thinking going on right now on both sides (not referring to you). The right would have you believe that this is 100% fabricated and the media is out to get Trump. The left would have you believe that Trump is worse than Nixon and should be impeached immediately. Multiple things can be true.
We don't know what the details of the conversation Trump had with Comey were other than what was in the news report. Congress has already asked for a copy of the memo that Comey allegedly wrote, so let's see what it says. There a lot of questions and almost no answers at this point. One question I've seen circulating since last night has been that, if Comey, who we know stands up to presidents (he did so with Bush as the Deputy Attorney General), really was asked by Trump to put an end to the investigation, why didn't he come forward immediately and why not inform Congress?
We also know that the media is taking any little thing they can and blowing it way out of proportion (read: ice cream scoops, among others). We're just going to have to let this play out.
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One question I've seen circulating since last night has been that, if Comey, who we know stands up to presidents (he did so with Bush as the Deputy Attorney General), really was asked by Trump to put an end to the investigation, why didn't he come forward immediately and why not inform Congress?
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Interesting take from Rep. Louie Gohmert:
Gohmert said that if -as the memo suggests- Trump attempted to obstruct an investigation by asking Comey to dismiss the probe into former aide Gen. Michael Flynn, Comey may be guilty of something too.
"I'm amazed that an FBI director and former prosecutor would be confessing to a crime the way that it appears that he is," Gohmert said.
He said that under 18 U.S. Code Section 4, Comey is required by law to report any attempt - including by the president of the United States - to obstruct a federal investigation.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/17/james-comey-committed-crime-donald-trump-obstruction-gohmert-says
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The Department of Justice has appointed the former FBI director, Robert Mueller, as special counsel to take over the Russia investigation.
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I'm too lazy to post my views - this article gives what I think is the most cogent libertarian take given the facts known so far (realizing that like any label, not all "libertarians" believe the same things):
http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/17/all-this-impeachment-talk-is-pure-trump (http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/17/all-this-impeachment-talk-is-pure-trump)
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Aww, triggered much? Try using something factual for a rebuttal next time. Otherwise it just makes you seem petulant.
Your categorization that peaceful, non-violent protest is somehow relate able to the whack job liberal, retard-o-mash that is the current democratic party, is as malevolent as it is untrue.
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The Department of Justice has appointed the former FBI director, Robert Mueller, as special counsel to take over the Russia investigation.
By tomorrow morning the MSM will be complaining, they will be crying it's a coverup. Chuckie Schumer may even shed some tears.