PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 01, 2017, 06:31:36 AM
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All the major "news" outlets are CORRUPT. I don't believe anything they say, print, or broadcast. CNN, NBC/MSNBC/Comcast, ESPN/Disney, ABC, CBS, PBS, most major newspapers, AP, Reuters, etc. All make up, or modify stories to fit a progressive narrative. The problem is they keep repeating the lies, and a lot of people, even some here believe them.
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All the major "news" outlets are CORRUPT. I don't believe anything they say, print, or broadcast. CNN, NBC/MSNBC/Comcast, ESPN/Disney, ABC, CBS, PBS, most major newspapers, AP, Reuters, etc. All make up, or modify stories to fit a progressive narrative. The problem is they keep repeating the lies, and a lot of people, even some here believe them.
So which news outlets would you consider NOT corrupt? (And if you're going to say Fox, I would put Fox in that category too, just hopelessly biased toward the other side.) I think that it's part and parcel of how divided this country is, and possibly in part a cause of that division, that our news sources are more geared toward stirring up outrage than reporting facts. Of all of the major news outfits I prefer PBS, even though their leftward bias is apparent in their interviews and special interest stories. But as far as I can tell, when they report facts, they do so in a fairly "straight" manner and I rarely see outright falsehoods reported there (other than things claimed only by conspiracy theorists to be false).
If that's not true and they really are disseminating fake news, I'd like some evidence of that. So far I haven't seen any.
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I am not a huge Fox News fan either, but please cite which of their stories have been outed as FALSE. I do like Tucker Carlson, Greg Gutfeld, and Jesse Waters. The rest? Meh. One America News is becoming more of a force, and so far I haven't seen anything false on there either.
In addition how many large "news" outlets can remotely be called right leaning? If you count Fox, that is one, and then there is talk radio which get very small listeners compared to the mainstream media which is ALL leftist. So maybe the center right has 3%? Maybe.
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I didn't say there were any blatant cases of Fox having been outed for giving out false stories - I just don't know for sure. What is evident though is their bias, and the times I have watched them (admittedly pretty far in the past) it was so blatant that I don't watch them any more.
So bottom line, if they are broadcasting fake news I wouldn't know it unless it was a major story, as I've stopped watching them. But I've pretty much stopped watching all of the MSM outlets except for PBS, and on PBS I try to take their discussion pieces with a grain of salt.
I do like David Brooks, however.
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Typical progressive prattle.'as soon a your house organ is outed as lying scum, blame FOX and portend they are, "just as bad."
Pathetic snowflake, bullshit.
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The progressive narrative that this country is divided is pure bullshit. This is nothing more than propaganda put out by the MSM to paint a picture that so many people are so upset over having the republicans in control. I say it's just the opposite, I've seen more unity, more pride in this country since November. I see more positive outlook and more unity everyday. Of course the progressives want just the opposite and will try their damnedest to get people to buy their vitriol.
The other part is this. The MSM is using these narratives to keep the actual news away from Americans. Case in point, this week two major victories for the American people took place, the travel ban was reinstated by the SC and Kate's Law passed the House.
But the MSM kept everyone off track running 24/7 coverage of those two dispicable assholes on a progressive network that few even watch, another huge "nothing burger".
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I am sitting here watching Donald Trump - that's PRESIDENT Don and Trump for you progressives, give a hell of a great speech, where he touched on exactly that theme.
There are FAR more who support a strong, take-no-shit president than supported the snowflake Obama corruption and treason.
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I disagree the country is actually divided. We just let the idiots on the fringes talk too much.
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Once again, I read a hit piece in the local paper trying to say that Trump called all the media "the enemy of the people". Nowhere did it mention that he called the purveyors of "fake news" the enemy of the people.
The difference between FOX and almost all the other MSM news sources is that when I read the others, I KNOW they are going to deride Trump about something.
But Fox will report both the good and stupid stuff Trump does where most of the media completely ignores anything good, and if they do mention it at all, they include a "But" to it, like "But it was going to happen any way", or "But Obama did the same thing", or "but there may be some obscure negative consequence at some point in time".
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Again, I think Fox has many flaws. However, they DO present both sides. They may point out the hypocrisy of the left, but at least they present the left's argument, and have many representatives of the left on staff, or as guest presenters.
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I disagree the country is actually divided. We just let the idiots on the fringes talk too much.
So who on the right "fringe" is getting any meaningful airtime, and what are they saying that is so idiotic?
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I disagree the country is actually divided. We just let the idiots on the fringes talk too much.
This really depends on what we mean when we say divided, and whether you're willing to believe polls and surveys that try to ascertain the extent of our divisions.
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This really depends on what we mean when we say divided, and whether you're willing to believe polls and surveys that try to ascertain the extent of our divisions.
The same polls and surveys that told us Hillary would win in a landslide? The same polls that told us the last 4 special elections would go democrat as a referendum on Trump? The same polls and surveys that supposedly say Trump is doing a bad job?
The MSM is pumping this whole division bullshit.
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The MSM is pumping this whole division bullshit.
The MSM is the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. They want us divided as we are easier to manipulate, and control that way. They spout false narratives to advance their agenda, then both the left, and the right get upset at each other. The right knows they are lies, but the left believes them because they want to believe them. Rinse, and repeat.
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Goebbels would be proud of the MSM.
The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.
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Goebbels would be proud of the MSM.
I said that before on this board, or another board in which I post, and the response from another individual was:
"Goebbels would be ENVIOUS."
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The same polls and surveys that told us Hillary would win in a landslide? The same polls that told us the last 4 special elections would go democrat as a referendum on Trump? The same polls and surveys that supposedly say Trump is doing a bad job?
The MSM is pumping this whole division bullshit.
No. Different polls.
We're heavily divided just on this board. Our two-party system encourages bright-line division. What evidence are you drawing on to believe we aren't divided, and what definition are we settling on for "divided"?
PS - Repetition of a concept or an opinion does not a Nazi make.
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Yes, I'm interested in pursuing this discussion. I can argue both sides.
I perceive we are heavily divided culturally, and have become more so over the past few decades. There are those who consume MSM and social media and form opinions about global warming, women wage differences, etc. etc. Then there are those who get information from elsewhere and form different opinions about these things. Because of a general world view, these groups are VERY divided. The one sees America (Western civilization in general, white males in particular) as the root of all evil in the world, the other sees America as the best example of freedom and progress in two thousand years. That's a pretty big divide.
On the other hand, I also believe most people don't care about ideology, and simply want to work and make money to support themselves and family, and be left alone to pursue happiness in whatever form. Most people at core are the same. They want love, they want a peaceful secure place to raise a family, they want some fun in their lives. In that respect we are not divided, we have the same goals, most of us. I think it's only the fanatical few on the fringes who push the differences between us.
But when the factor of the first paragraph above causes people to form very different ideas about HOW best to secure the love, money, security for themselves and their families, that is when irreconcilable differences happen.
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But when the factor of the first paragraph above causes people to form very different ideas about HOW best to secure the love, money, security for themselves and their families, that is when irreconcilable differences happen.
Another thing that has caused the divide is that the LEFT always wants to restrict the rights of others for whatever victimhood, cause du jour. Hate speech 1A, More gun laws, 2A, MMGW, etc. The Constitution that helped make us the greatest country in the world is meaningless to the Left.
I just want to be left alone, and not constantly live in fear of a leftist government taking more of my liberties, freedoms, money, and rights away.
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No. Different polls.
LOL!!! Oh now we're using "different polls"........
We're heavily divided just on this board. Our two-party system encourages bright-line division. What evidence are you drawing on to believe we aren't divided, and what definition are we settling on for "divided"?
The whole "division" rhetoric is being driven by the democrat propaganda arm, the MSM. Just because a small group of bed wetting crybaby progressives are throwing a temper tantrum doesn't mean our country is divided. I travel extensively and I'm just not seeing it with the exception of the MSM promoting it. I see just the opposite, a country that after 8 years now feels hope and optimism for our future.
PS - Repetition of a concept or an opinion does not a Nazi make.
Go read about history, especially the 1930's leading into WW2 and how the Nazi's made such inroads and destroyed a country as well as millions of lives. Go look at the parallels between Nazi Facism and our modern day progressives.
And remember this quote:
'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
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LOL!!! Oh now we're using "different polls"........
The whole "division" rhetoric is being driven by the democrat propaganda arm, the MSM. Just because a small group of bed wetting crybaby progressives are throwing a temper tantrum doesn't mean our country is divided. I travel extensively and I'm just not seeing it with the exception of the MSM promoting it. I see just the opposite, a country that after 8 years now feels hope and optimism for our future.
Go read about history, especially the 1930's leading into WW2 and how the Nazi's made such inroads and destroyed a country as well as millions of lives. Go look at the parallels between Nazi Facism and our modern day progressives.
And remember this quote:
I'm fairly well read. I don't need a lecture. Repetition of an assertion is not what makes it true or false, so you'll have to push some other evidence before your inner Godwin takes hold.
By the way, I get the impression that the reason you believe the whole country feels hope and optimism is because you're buried in your own echo chamber. I move in some other circles and I can assure you there is much angst centered around Trump and what he is doing or will do to the nation. And before you take that and run with it, let's be clear about me: I didn't vote for Clinton, and I knew that meant I would need to be able to come to terms with Trump as a president, if that came to fruition. I was, and still am, confident that the US will be alright with Trump as president, and I believe Liberal politics needed a slap in the face. I told that to many of my friends and Liberal family members. In fact, I had to stop talking politics with my brother because he was so insane about Trump ("bloodless coup!"). Still, I know factually there are huge numbers of people who are appalled at Trump's antics and are decidedly not feeling hope about the reputation of the US.
So again, let us talk about what we define as "divided". We can't talk about what something is or isn't unless we define our terms. Rush appears to have given this a good start.
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Geez, talk about living in an echo chamber......
PS- Being well read does not mean immersion into liberal progressive propaganda.
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Another thing that has caused the divide is that the LEFT always wants to restrict the rights of others for whatever victimhood, cause du jour. Hate speech 1A, More gun laws, 2A, MMGW, etc. The Constitution that helped make us the greatest country in the world is meaningless to the Left.
I just want to be left alone, and not constantly live in fear of a leftist government taking more of my liberties, freedoms, money, and rights away.
One way the right can garner more voters by doing their own measure of "leave me alone". I will grant you that Liberals are much greater offenders. But there are a few areas where Conservatives love to insert themselves: marriage, sex and sexuality, women parts.
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Geez, talk about living in an echo chamber......
PS- Being well read does not mean immersion into liberal progressive propaganda.
Feel free to respond to my points.
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But there are a few areas where Conservatives love to insert themselves: marriage, sex and sexuality, women parts.
Since when did any of that crap pass? All I've seen is Cake Bakers get run out if business, and Rainbow colors on the White House. Republicans may talk about that stuff from time to time to appease some of their base, but they rarely do anything about it, because they don't want the political, and media fallout.
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One way the right can garner more voters by doing their own measure of "leave me alone". I will grant you that Liberals are much greater offenders. But there are a few areas where Conservatives love to insert themselves: marriage, sex and sexuality, women parts.
That is dishonest, progressive, drivel.
It is simply you repeating the pathetic sound bites of the faux feminists that think abortion is the holy grail of existence. That you stoop so low as to repea their useless drivel word for word is too funny to be taken seriously.