PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: invflatspin on July 28, 2017, 10:37:51 AM
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While the topic got derailed with women in the military, I had some more thoughts on trans in the military.
One of the bigger problems with military life is the level of constant stress, not from any combat situation, as most of the armed forces life style is sitting around waiting for the bubble to burst. There is a lot of down time, a lot of training, a lot of competition, a lot of knicky-nack stuff like backstabbing and game-playing with people's heads. If you ever read East of Eden, you kinda know what I mean.
It's common for those in the armed forces to form weird bonds. It's also common for soldiers, sailors and Marines to pick on people with an obvious outlier. I mentioned Jeremy in the prev thread, and in this thread I will mention another guy. In fact, I think it was the progeny for a character in a later TV show called the A-team. We had this guy in our unit, and he was the best looking man I had ever seen. I mean, he was movie-star knockout pretty. Of course, we called him 'face'. We called him 'face' right to his face, and he took it in stride, and was fine with it. No one made a stink over it, he was good looking, he knew it, we knew it, and more than once I'd say, "hey face, lets go down to the club this friday, I'll take your leftovers". He'd roll his eyes and grin and tell me to 'fuck off, sparks'(I was an electronics tech briefly before flying), which is exactly what he was supposed to say, and no one minded a bit.
Into this camaraderie, and far more-so in a combat company, where everyone who is a bit out of the ordinary gets a pseudonym, or nickname with their character flaw, we want to inject a trans person. They are forever going to be know, either behind their back, or to their face as 'tranny' or 'gears' or 'skirt' or 'dyke'(yes, I know) or 'butch' or a billion other derivations. The command can't and won't stop it for once simple reason; In its typical iteration, this stuff enhances esprit de corps and advances the concept of a tight fighting unit.
Should the situation ever arise, when I had to protect, and defend 'face' I was more than willing to step up, and I know for a fact he would do the same for me. I don't want to use the trite 'band of brothers' but in a very unique way, it fits. This is the reality of a small band of men, in a situation where lives are at stake.
As I said, most of the time the armed forces are sitting around, doing very little. The infantry does field drills, the arty does sim drills to lob shells, the pilots do practice approaches, and dummy fire, and live fire exercises. The cooks cook, the motor pool fixes trucks, and there's plenty of time for what is euphemistically called 'grab-ass'. Very little time is spent with a rifle full of real bullets. But -- and it's a big however, when the guys get locked and loaded, we don't want, and can't have someone in ranks that is more likely a powder-keg of emotions.
It's a fact that the trans community suffers a far, far greater level of mental health issues. This is proofed by the sky high incidence of suicide in the trans community. Even ignoring the suicide risk, there are the other risks involved in a microcosm of guys who have been blowing off steam for weeks, months maybe years who now have a loaded rifle. Is it payback time? Are there scores to be settled? Are we going to hand a high powered rifle, or a clutch of grenades to someone who has a perpetual chip on their shoulder?
More than likely, it won't amount to anything. In most cases, I'm sure the trans will do the job, take care of biz, protect his unit and his fellows in the trench. But - adding to the stress level of combat, we want to now place social outcasts into that mix?
There's the other side of the equation as well. Suppose some of the men are not as 'enlightened' as our erstwhile progressive? It may come as a bit of a shock, but by and large the armed forces are a pretty socially and morally conservative lot. If 'tranny' is given a task to blow a bridge, lead a platoon to take a hill, to effectively provide covering arty for an advance, and people are relying on them - are the people around, or below going to have the same level of trust and duty and honor? Surely hypothetical but this is the reasoning behind the generals advising Trump. Our best effort does not include risking the objective(or the ultimate goal) with social misfits leading men into battle, or even commanding men in non-battle.
Finally, I have to ask myself, if it were 'face' who was promoted to captain, or if it was 'tranny' promoted to captain, and they were to lead my company - which would I respect, and follow orders from with greater zeal? Better spirit? Higher code of honor? I have to think on it some more, but it's one of those socratic questions that we can't afford to ask in the armed forces. We have a job to do, and anything that diverges from that goal might put US armed forces in jeopardy is something I can't abide.
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Bottom line for me is the military shouldn't be a place for Social Engineering Experimentation. We are putting soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines at risk, and it is not fair to them. These are life, and death issues, plus mission readiness, and success issues. Would the lib/progs like their sons to get killed, and the missions to fail to make themselves "feel" better about LGBT people, and women?
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I object to the gay mafia forcing everyone to kneel before their idiotic agenda - period. The gay mafia is made up of a bunch of profiteering assholes using homosexuals and weak minded liberals to give them lots of money for their outrage of the day, bullshit.
Politicians are particularly susceptible to loud and violent, which is ALWAYS the far left fall back position. Rioting, arson and violence are so full of fairness and social justice, you know.
Forcing the military to accept and pander to mentally ill transsexuals is as ignorant and dishonest as forcing young girls to allow fucking perverts to shower next them naked. Fuck you if you are tranny that can't live unless you can violate the privacy and safety of young girls and women to salve your insanity.
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I actually had to forcibly eject a fucking pervert from the ladies room in a restaurant, who insisted that he was going in and use the facility with my wife and granddaughter. Somehow this ignorant mental case thought it was his divine right to take his iPhone in with him and take photos if he so choose.
My wife called me on her cell phone and told me this scum bag was in there with a camera phone and when I confronted him he started babbling about Obama making it legal for him to decide to identify as a woman and use the woman's bathroom.
I took a page out of the conservative play book and informed him that I identified as a veteran who was going to kick his ass if he didn't himself to the mens room.
...and he did, which solved his problem and mine.
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I render no opinion on their sexuality.
It boils down to one single question - will it have a negative impact on the ability of our troops to kill the enemy and come home. I don't think there is any answer other than yes. There is no way that you can tell 129 guys on a ship that they are wrong and they have to change in order to accommodate one transgender person and it NOT have an impact. You certainly cannot tell 1,281,700 people that they are wrong and that they need to change for the benefit of the 200 and not expect to generate ill will.
Those of us who were in the military know that it is more than a job. When you sign a military contract, you voluntarily give up pretty much all of your rights in order to provide for the good of the service. And if you don't like it, you don't sign the contract and stay a civilian.
Bottom line - you cannot expect the entire world to revolve around you. The military has one job. That does not include walking on egg shells to make sure they don't offend.
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As the other thread has reopened, lets move the discussion back there.
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As the other thread has reopened, lets move the discussion back there.
No, I think we should keep this thread going.
But if you want, you can always lock this one!
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No, I think we should keep this thread going.
But if you want, you can always lock this one!
I have not been given that power. I have no lock button, which is fine with me. Great Power should remain in the hands of Great Men. Leaves me out.