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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jim Logajan on August 28, 2017, 10:13:47 AM

Title: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 28, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
Headline and story 1:

"Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.5b6402a98b66 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.5b6402a98b66)

Headline and story 2:

"Black-clad anarchists swarm anti-hate rally in California"

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/black-clad-anarchists-swarm-anti-hate-rally-california/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/black-clad-anarchists-swarm-anti-hate-rally-california/)

Reading the stories it looks like there is this ambiguity about what label the press wants to assign the black-clad attacking folks: "anarchist" and/or "antifa/anti-fascist". Or maybe the attackers are a mixed bunch - though that would seem to require coordination of the two rabbles that I doubt exists.


(Don't all those protesting people have jobs or classes or some nice fishing to do than out protesting?)
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Little Joe on August 28, 2017, 10:27:24 AM
(Don't all those protesting people have jobs or classes or some nice fishing to do than out protesting?)
Methinks this is their job.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: bflynn on August 28, 2017, 05:40:13 PM
I wonder how many people missed that "anti-hate" means peace.  And I wonder how many caught that the democrats in the  media used the word turn to make it sound like antifa was attacking hate.  No, that isnt' what an intelligent person hears, but it is what the common thinker will take from that.  It is a lie and intended to deceive.

Yet another example of why our trust for these people ranks just barely above Congress.

Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: LevelWing on August 29, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Speaking of Antifa and Berkeley, the mayor of Berkeley is urging UC Berkeley to cancel free speech week:

Quote from: Daily Wire
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that Arreguin wants UC Berkeley to thwart the conservative campus group, the Berkeley Patriot, from hosting provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos and possibly pundit Ann Coulter and former Breitbart News chairman Steve Bannon to speak during the previously announced Free Speech Week from Sept. 24-27. The Berkeley Patriot’s spokesman, Bryce Kasamoto, acknowledged on Monday, “We are still working out the logistics of this event with the university and law enforcement. Once we have worked out final specifics, we will be able to confirm speakers for Free Speech Week.”

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20352/berkeley-mayor-urges-uc-berkeley-cancel-free-hank-berrien

It's perfectly acceptable to let leftists have their free speech but it's not acceptable for someone on the right to speak freely because those who don't like it will cause violence. Let the police do their job and arrest those causing violence instead of telling them to stand down.

Ben Shapiro will be speaking just before free speech week and has been very adamant that people come out and protest peacefully and urging the police to do their jobs. In order for him to speak, the university required an additional $15,000 in security fees.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Number7 on August 29, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
ANYONE that has to cover their face to speak their mind is a coward, a bigot, and a fucking piece of shit.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: bflynn on August 30, 2017, 02:10:18 PM
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Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?

What do you mean "OR"? 

At best they are only anarchists.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 30, 2017, 03:42:25 PM
What do you mean "OR"? 

At best they are only anarchists.

The thing is, anarchist philosophy includes pacifists. As far as I'm concerned the use of "anarchist" by the press has lost any useful meaning since they use it to label any group of violent thugs that they can't otherwise categorize.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Little Joe on August 30, 2017, 06:00:03 PM
The thing is, anarchist philosophy includes pacifists. As far as I'm concerned the use of "anarchist" by the press has lost any useful meaning since they use it to label any group of violent thugs that they can't otherwise categorize.
Any pacifist that adopts anarchy is a naive deluded individual looking for utopia.  Because of human nature, the two are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Anthony on August 31, 2017, 07:23:42 AM
Antifa, and BLM don't know what they are.  They are anarchists, and COMMUNISTS.  They are just hate America groups funded by the likes of George Soros, and his ilk.  Their purpose is to de-stabilize the Trump Admin, and the U.S. 
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Little Joe on August 31, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
I must be missing something.  IT looks like Pelosi is calling out ANTIFA as a bunch of criminal thug gang members.

I agree with that, and since I never agree with Pelosi, there must be something else going on.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/nancy-pelosi-denounces-leftist-antifa-calls-for-prosecution/
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Anthony on August 31, 2017, 07:46:46 AM
I must be missing something.  IT looks like Pelosi is calling out ANTIFA as a bunch of criminal thug gang members.

I agree with that, and since I never agree with Pelosi, there must be something else going on.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/nancy-pelosi-denounces-leftist-antifa-calls-for-prosecution/

Yes, this is very out of character for her, and the Democrats who so far have supported Antifa, and BLM even though they are violent, and destructive.  I have to give here a thumbs up on this one. 

Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Number7 on August 31, 2017, 07:58:20 AM
I understand that BOTOX Nancy is getting quite a bit of heat from some in her district to speak against them because a couple of reporters got beat down by the pathetic, racist cowards from antifa.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: LevelWing on August 31, 2017, 08:02:45 AM
I must be missing something.  IT looks like Pelosi is calling out ANTIFA as a bunch of criminal thug gang members.

I agree with that, and since I never agree with Pelosi, there must be something else going on.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/nancy-pelosi-denounces-leftist-antifa-calls-for-prosecution/
More and more videos are emerging of Antifa members committing acts of violence and making threats against people. Even Democrats know it isn't smart to back them. They're beginning to outlive their usefulness so they'll be cast aside.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: You Only Live Twice on August 31, 2017, 08:27:35 AM
I must be missing something.  IT looks like Pelosi is calling out ANTIFA as a bunch of criminal thug gang members.

I agree with that, and since I never agree with Pelosi, there must be something else going on.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/nancy-pelosi-denounces-leftist-antifa-calls-for-prosecution/

Head fake. Keep your eyes on the ball.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Anthony on August 31, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
Head fake. Keep your eyes on the ball.

I would expect nothing less from the Democrats.  There has to be an ulterior motive. 
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: You Only Live Twice on August 31, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
I would expect nothing less from the Democrats.  There has to be an ulterior motive.

Of course there is.
Title: Re: Black-clad anarchists or black-clad antifa?
Post by: Little Joe on August 31, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
I would expect nothing less from the Democrats.  There has to be an ulterior motive.
And I don't suspect an apology to Trump for saying there was fault on both sides is in the offing.