PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on January 22, 2016, 08:04:47 AM
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Sarah Palin is taking heat from veterans for seeming to point the finger at President Obama over mental issues her son may be dealing with following his Iraq war service.
Her son Track was arrested earlier this week on domestic violence charges, and Palin publicly addressed the case Wednesday during a post-endorsement appearance on the campaign trail for Donald Trump. She appeared to link his alleged behavior to post-traumatic stress disorder – and used it to criticize Obama’s veteran policies.
Story here (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/21/palin-takes-heats-from-veterans-for-using-sons-arrest-ptsd-to-criticize-obama.html).
ODS alive and well!
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That's the kind of endorsement that Trump gets.
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That woman is the stain for all Alaskans. They should be ashamed.
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Sarah Palin is taking heat from veterans for seeming to point the finger at President Obama over mental issues her son may be dealing with following his Iraq war service.
Her son Track was arrested earlier this week on domestic violence charges, and Palin publicly addressed the case Wednesday during a post-endorsement appearance on the campaign trail for Donald Trump. She appeared to link his alleged behavior to post-traumatic stress disorder – and used it to criticize Obama’s veteran policies.
Story here (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/21/palin-takes-heats-from-veterans-for-using-sons-arrest-ptsd-to-criticize-obama.html).
ODS alive and well!
I hope you weren't expecting an argument about this.
But just in case you were, here is one counter point to your premise: ANY thing is a legitimate reason to blame or criticize Obama. Just picture it this way: Suppose the President was Bush instead of Obama. Then would it be ok for liberals to blame him for everything? (Hint: yes, it was).
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That's the kind of endorsement that Trump gets.
It's a good fit. They are both purveyors of fine word salad.
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Sarah Palin is taking heat from veterans for seeming to point the finger at President Obama over mental issues her son may be dealing with following his Iraq war service.
Her son Track was arrested earlier this week on domestic violence charges, and Palin publicly addressed the case Wednesday during a post-endorsement appearance on the campaign trail for Donald Trump. She appeared to link his alleged behavior to post-traumatic stress disorder – and used it to criticize Obama’s veteran policies.
Story here (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/21/palin-takes-heats-from-veterans-for-using-sons-arrest-ptsd-to-criticize-obama.html).
ODS alive and well!
I hope you weren't expecting an argument about this.
But just in case you were, here is one counter point to your premise: ANY thing is a legitimate reason to blame or criticize Obama. Just picture it this way: Suppose the President was Bush instead of Obama. Then would it be ok for liberals to blame him for everything? (Hint: yes, it was).
You can blame anyone for anything, but that neither makes it legitimate nor ok, whether it's Bush or Obama in office.
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A - Sorry to hear about the issue between Palin's son and his wife, never a good thing.
B - Palin is absolutely right to point out that veteran's are suffering in ways we still don't fully understand or treat well
C - While true that Obama has done little to actually improve the VA health system it is a stretch to blame him 'more' than Bush or Clinton - the only possible justification is that the VA failures have become so well known over the past few years but I would not think it appropriate to 'blame' Obama for that so much as hold him responsible for not doing anything of substance after making so many public statements about it.
D - I see Palin Derangement Syndrome is still out there, only now it infects the anti-Trump crowd, too bad.
'Gimp
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I don't think it's the case that Obama has done nothing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/veterans/) of substance re: the VA. Though we obviously have a long way to go.
I do admit to being anti-Palin, though.
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I don't think it's the case that Obama has done nothing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/veterans/) of substance re: the VA. Though we obviously have a long way to go.
I do admit to being anti-Palin, though.
Giving credit to Obama regarding VA issues is truly ridiculous and shameless partisanship. Finding a couple of very small victories in the face of the absolute disgraceful way his administration has treated, and continues to treat veterans is beyond the pale. Why do you believe his lies and obfuscations?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all)
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I don't think it's the case that Obama has done nothing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/veterans/) of substance re: the VA. Though we obviously have a long way to go.
I do admit to being anti-Palin, though.
Giving credit to Obama regarding VA issues is truly ridiculous and shameless partisanship. Finding a couple of very small victories in the face of the absolute disgraceful way his administration has treated, and continues to treat veterans is beyond the pale. Why do you believe his lies and obfuscations?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all)
It's not true that he's done nothing of substance, and we have a long way to go. That was my statement, and it is truthful.
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That woman is the stain for all Alaskans. They should be ashamed.
She is an embarrassment to Republicans. Please don't take her seriously.
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I don't think it's the case that Obama has done nothing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/veterans/) of substance re: the VA. Though we obviously have a long way to go.
I do admit to being anti-Palin, though.
Giving credit to Obama regarding VA issues is truly ridiculous and shameless partisanship. Finding a couple of very small victories in the face of the absolute disgraceful way his administration has treated, and continues to treat veterans is beyond the pale. Why do you believe his lies and obfuscations?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-touts-progress-va-admits-still-not-satisfied/?page=all)
It's not true that he's done nothing of substance, and we have a long way to go. That was my statement, and it is truthful.
I don't trust PolitiFact anymore, but in general (!), broad sweeping claims or accusations are usually dismissible. I do check Politifact Bias (http://Politifact Bias) now and then because an opposing viewpoint is so important, and their analysis is rather thorough.
http://www.politifactbias.com/ (http://www.politifactbias.com/)
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A - Sorry to hear about the issue between Palin's son and his wife, never a good thing.
B - Palin is absolutely right to point out that veteran's are suffering in ways we still don't fully understand or treat well
C - While true that Obama has done little to actually improve the VA health system it is a stretch to blame him 'more' than Bush or Clinton - the only possible justification is that the VA failures have become so well known over the past few years but I would not think it appropriate to 'blame' Obama for that so much as hold him responsible for not doing anything of substance after making so many public statements about it.
D - I see Palin Derangement Syndrome is still out there, only now it infects the anti-Trump crowd, too bad.
'Gimp
I've been a defender of Palin since 2008. However, I think she's gone off the rails on this, big time. In her endorsement speech she used the word "conservative" so much, I questioned whether she even knows what that means any more.
It had me wondering whether she was endorsing Trump, or just trying to get inside of Trump's stage lights to make herself relevant again.
I'm gravely disappointed in her. Trump is no Tea Party candidate.
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I've been a defender of Palin since 2008. However, I think she's gone off the rails on this, big time. In her endorsement speech she used the word "conservative" so much, I questioned whether she even knows what that means any more.
It had me wondering whether she was endorsing Trump, or just trying to get inside of Trump's stage lights to make herself relevant again.
I'm gravely disappointed in her. Trump is no Tea Party candidate.
I agree Stan. Every since she came on the national stage, I gave her a good bit of credit for her strong beliefs and her amazing tenacity displayed when taking on the status quo. Her endorsement this week of Trump rang hollow, and sounded like a session of buzzword bingo. Trump has brought many positive things to this election, but he is no conservative. Palin's attempt to paint him as one just made her look stupid.
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
the blame for the election of Obama belongs to all the idiots who voted for obama.
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
Abe Lincoln would have lost to Obama.*
He was the first clean, articulate light-skinned black to run, without a hint of Negro dialect. I mean, that's a storybook, man.**
*credit: Donald J Trump
**credits: Joseph Biden, Harry Reid
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
the blame for the election of Obama belongs to all the idiots who voted for obama.
Bingo. After all, no one wanted to be thought a racist.
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Obama's Fundamental Transformation was what scared me the most. It is a purposeful destruction of America. Its all in his book. He has succeeded in further dividing us along all lines. He is a devotee of Saul Alinsky and Frank Marshall Davis.
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Obama's Fundamental Transformation was what scared me the most. It is a purposeful destruction of America. Its all in his book. He has succeeded in further dividing us along all lines. He is a devotee of Saul Alinsky and Frank Marshall Davis.
Whats far scarier is that no one in the press said, "Mr. Obama, exactly what do you mean by that?"
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Whats far scarier is that no one in the press said, "Mr. Obama, exactly what do you mean by that?"
Yes! Exactly. He was allowed to just paint pretty pictures of hope and change.
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
yep... and the current weather is proof of mmgw.
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Palin is one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen. She is an idiot in my own opinion, and the Maverick lost the election to the Obominator because of her.
I'll ask again, which states have you been elected to govern? I'm really no fan of Palin, but for the fact that she is the target of frequent unhinged, high-octane ass-hattery.
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I'll ask again, which states have you been elected to govern? I'm really no fan of Palin, but for the fact that she is the target of frequent unhinged, high-octane ass-hattery.
I'm not either, but I don't think she is an idiot. I think Tina Fey is an idiot for portraying her and spreading the media lies about her. Fey, and her far left, radical Comcast handlers did that.
If Steingar doesn't see that cabal then I cant help him, and FWIW I personally like Michael, and his wife as I have met them.
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I'm not either, but I don't think she is an idiot. I think Tina Fey is an idiot for portraying her and spreading the media lies about her. Fey, and her far left, radical Comcast handlers did that.
If Steingar doesn't see that cabal then I cant help him, and FWIW I personally like Michael, and his wife as I have met them.
I don't really blame for Tina Fey for her protrayal of Palin.
I blame the idiots who thought Palin actually said all that stuff.
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I don't really blame for Tina Fey for her protrayal of Palin.
I blame the idiots who thought Palin actually said all that stuff.
The fact that NO ONE has lampooned Obama in 7 years tells me everything I need to know about the popular media.
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The fact that NO ONE has lampooned Obama in 7 years tells me everything I need to know about the popular media.
any lampooning would be presumptive racism.
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I personally like Michael, and his wife as I have met them.
I have no doubt I would feel the same but all I know are his poa and sz posts. With web posts being the only thing to judge by, not so much.
Our CT group has fly-ins and at them I find I like everyone but on web site discussion, sometimes, not so much.
I live in California, in a liberal hotbed. I have learned to pick my battles carefully.
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I have no doubt I would feel the same but all I know are his poa and sz posts. With web posts being the only thing to judge by, not so much.
Our CT group has fly-ins and at them I find I like everyone but on web site discussion, sometimes, not so much.
I live in California, in a liberal hotbed. I have learned to pick my battles carefully.
I lived in the Bay Area for a while. Yeah, can you believe it? I didn't get into politics with people there. I wasn't really there long enough. Everyone has been nice to me at the fly ins I've attended, well mostly everyone.
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The current problem with Sarah Palin is that she has gone down the road of selling her endorsements. Once that happens, I quickly tune someone out. As much as I hate the outright fraudulent attacks on her, I also have no respect for the selling of your support.
Donald Trump seems to be buying lots of support to get through the Iowa caucus, which is a big joke, since it doesn't even qualify as a beauty contest. Once reality sets in, he's done.
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Whats far scarier is that no one in the press said, "Mr. Obama, exactly what do you mean by that?"
Trump supporters are doing that now. Not enough questioning of what exactly he intends to do, or what he means by a statement.
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The current problem with Sarah Palin is that she has gone down the road of selling her endorsements. Once that happens, I quickly tune someone out. As much as I hate the outright fraudulent attacks on her, I also have no respect for the selling of your support.
Donald Trump seems to be buying lots of support to get through the Iowa caucus, which is a big joke, since it doesn't even qualify as a beauty contest. Once reality sets in, he's done.
Correct. The GOP establishment that is now coming out endorsing Trump is the clue - they probably already negotiated - sorry, made a "Deal" in Trump-speak - to share power and maintain the status quo.
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Trump supporters are doing that now. Not enough questioning of what exactly he intends to do, or what he means by a statement.
Correct, other than it will be HUGE. Kind of like the hopey, changy thing.
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Correct. The GOP establishment that is now coming out endorsing Trump is the clue - they probably already negotiated - sorry, made a "Deal" in Trump-speak - to share power and maintain the status quo.
Yep, Trump's made a YUUUUUUGE deal with the establishment. He's their man now.
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Yep, Trump's made a YUUUUUUGE deal with the establishment. He's their man now.
I don't personally believe that (his egos's too big and he doesn't need the GOP to win), but even Trump's butler would be a better choice than either of the two cretins on the other side.
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I don't personally believe that (his egos's too big and he doesn't need the GOP to win), but even Trump's butler would be a better choice than either of the two cretins on the other side.
He needs the establishment's support if that means establishment votes. It doesn't mean he will play ball after the election.