PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on January 15, 2018, 08:07:38 PM
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We all know where this is going, especially if Oprah becomes a viable Dem candidate. This will continue to ratchet up in the coming years.
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Racism is still a problem in this country, but I really feel it is fading fast. It may never go away completely, but it is nowhere near the problem it used to be and is diminishing.
That is, unless the real racists, like the one in the OP have their way. Some people seem to have a vested interest in stoking the flames and keeping it alive. And it isn't white people.
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Racism is still a problem in this country, but I really feel it is fading fast. It may never go away completely, but it is nowhere near the problem it used to be and is diminishing.
That is, unless the real racists, like the one in the OP have their way. Some people seem to have a vested interest in stoking the flames and keeping it alive. And it isn't white people.
I think institutionalized racism has diminished, but personal racism has increased, fueled by race baiters like Obama, and many on the Left. Their arguments often come back to victimization, and racism is one of the biggest forms. Humans by nature are tribal, and we tend to gravitate towards people who are like us. Yes, in some way humans are naturally racist, most are not unreasonably so, but whether we like it or not, these differences SOMETIMES affect us.
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Humans are inherently racist and every other kind of "*ists" because like you say we are tribal. It's a biological imperative to band with others that look like ourselves and reject those who are different. We need to stop viewing that as a moral failure and accept it for reality. We need look no farther than high school lunch room to see that decades after school integration they still self sort by race and it is every bit on the part of ALL skin colors doing it.
But humans are also adaptable. We easily see beyond superficial appearances and appreciate real qualities, once the different person in question has a chance to prove themselves. Tribes will adopt an outsider and accept them as one of their own, as long as the outsider signals willingness to assimilate into the culture in question and contribute something valuable to the group.
After Native Americans were defeated, not all were pushed onto reservations. Those who embraced white culture, became educated, dressed as the white man, they became successful. Likewise prior to that, those whites who were kidnapped by tribes and accepted, became assimilated and preferred the nomade Plains Indians way of life.
Those blacks who become "oreos", embrace white culture of higher education, professions and business, become highly successful and always have when compared to blacks who refuse to do this. There is no value judgement here; a white man going to live among some rain forest tribe would need to embrace that culture to survive and be successful. It's just whatever the dominant culture is in any one location, that's what you'd better embrace for maximum success and acceptance. It just so happens that in the Americas the Western Europeans brought a technology and culture that took over.
Likewise in the 9th century on the British Isles the Vikings (Norsmen) brought massive cultural change to the "native" Saxons, Celts and Pictish peoples who were the islands' original inhabitants who were actually themselves a product of Rome's northward expansion centuries earlier. But it turns out the dominant culture was Christianity and to be completely successful (their goal was to settle on the new land) the Vikings eventually had to embrace the already existing culture in place and of course ended up assimilating - not conquering - as England was formed and the rest is history. So the whitest, blondest humans of all ultimately were absorbed into the lands they invaded, as opposed to the other way around.
But what actually happened is what inevitability always happens: intermarriage and eventual merging of genes and physical characteristics. But even if everyone has the same skin color, it is human nature to use some identifying characteristic to discern "us" from "not us". In parts of Africa and the South American rain forests if tribes are not sufficiently different from each other in appearance, they'll create differences, hence the big plate stretching out the lower lip or binding babies heads to make all your tribes heads cone shaped.
Hence we use vision to decide, when we are out hunting in the jungle, if we see another human whether to fight them or greet them warmly.
We are born to discriminate based on appearance, it's evolved in our DNA. But we have also evolved more than any other species of life on earth I dare say, to learn from new and different beings, to adapt to new experiences and embrace new ideas and learn about strangers, establish bonds for trade and intermarriage to keep the gene pool strong. Hence many of us have a love of learning about different cultures, we indeed have a drive to be multicultural. But at the same time we have the drive to protect our own native culture, whichever that is.
Right now the narrative is "white culture is bad" and "anything else is good" as a reaction against the great spread of Western European culture due to its massive technological advancement. But neither is it true that "white culture is good and all others are inferior". It is what it is; Western European culture grew and expanded as it did for whatever reasons, and is really a blip in geological time, just as the great Bantu Expansion occurred in sub-Sahara Africa 3000 years ago, almost completely wiping out the existing proto-Khoisan cultures, who were a totally different people in physical appearance and everything else. These Bantus were the ancestors of today's African Americans. So I can't work up a lot of sympathy for the attitude of "Wa! White people decimated our culture," when they themselves decimated the Khoisan peoples culture in their turn.
Does that make discrimination right? No! The correct approach in my opinion is to recognize all our natural human inclinations for what they are. Nurture those parts which want to embrace and learn from people different from ourselves, never discriminate on superficial appearance but provide a level field where individuals are free to acquire, display and demonstrate skills, talents, whatever they have to contribute. Acknowledge that people may feel prejudices but that human adaptability will prevail. The truth is that white culture isn't fighting a "anything but" culture; the truth is they MERGE over time. Living in south Texas I see here a mix and merging of white and Hispanic cultures. Something different from both eventually arises. It's not good or bad, it just is. It's what humans do.
Just as the U.K. right now is a product of near complete merging of Viking culture with the Christian influences all the way from Rome with the original native British Isles inhabitants from the Stone Age. Even the English language is a end product of this mixing.
I envision there can be no end to racial prejudice as long as racial differences exist and the long term solution is going to be interracial marriage and mixing. It's going to happen anyway, all species which have evolved in geographic separation will rejoin if the geographical barrier is removed as long as the time separated has not been long enough to become different species altogether and hence not capable of producing fertile offspring. Man is nowhere near that - we've evolved a lot of visible differences but we're still one single species and hence, now that we travel about the globe, we are remixing back together. This is neither good nor bad, it just is. It should be neither encouraged nor discouraged but left up to lovers to decide.
Likewise culture, with the amazing global technical connectivity now, may gradually homogenize into something like the Star Trek planet of unity which Earth became. I'm no utopian, even if all this happens we will just invent other reasons to hate each other. We will not so easily outgrow our biological imperative to group into tribes and make war with one another. I just predict that a day may come where it won't be skin color we use as the excuse.
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The whole “Trump is a racist” is yet another shit throwing campaign by the alt left progressives.
They have nothing, no leadership, no policies, no new ideas. They have hurled every piece of shit against the wall hoping, praying something will stick and in utter confusion when it doesn’t.
Remember back in 2016 before the election when they (progressives) were so sure, absolutely certain they had it in the bag. Remember the taunting of Trump trying to get him to concede the election before the votes were cast or counted.
One year later they are still stunned and in disbelief they have lost and simply can’t face reality. Instead of regrouping and learning from their mistakes the road for them is to keep pushing the alt left progressive mantra that has failed so miserably. And with no viable candidates they desperately seek a messiah, another Obama to come save them. They are giddy thinking Oprah maybe that messiah, yet unaware of the baggage she potential brings.
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It may never go away completely
It will never go away completely. The leftie leaders will never allow it to be solved. We will reach a point where the entire country has rejected racism, but the NAACP will still be there saying stupid stuff like "a meritocracy is racist because it disadvantages blacks" or "global warming is racist because it affects black people more".
(BTW, both of these have been said in the last week)
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The whole “Trump is a racist” is yet another shit throwing campaign by the alt left progressives.
They have nothing, no leadership, no policies, no new ideas. They have hurled every piece of shit against the wall hoping, praying something will stick and in utter confusion when it doesn’t.
Remember back in 2016 before the election when they (progressives) were so sure, absolutely certain they had it in the bag. Remember the taunting of Trump trying to get him to concede the election before the votes were cast or counted.
One year later they are still stunned and in disbelief they have lost and simply can’t face reality. Instead of regrouping and learning from their mistakes the road for them is to keep pushing the alt left progressive mantra that has failed so miserably. And with no viable candidates they desperately seek a messiah, another Obama to come save them. They are giddy thinking Oprah maybe that messiah, yet unaware of the baggage she potential brings.
They tried the sexual harassment thing during the campaign trotting out the "grab their p*ssy" video. That didn't work. Then it was Russian "collusion", and "hacking". Then, and now it is Trump is a Racist, and mentally unstable. All have failed.
Oh, and Oprah is very flawed individual. Many of her flaws she has admitted publicly. She's also one of the more vocal racists in the country.
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Racism is still a problem in this country, but I really feel it is fading fast. It may never go away completely, but it is nowhere near the problem it used to be and is diminishing.
That is, unless the real racists, like the one in the OP have their way. Some people seem to have a vested interest in stoking the flames and keeping it alive. And it isn't white people.
I believe that in the late 1990s / early 2000s we were as close to being a color blind society as we have been in my lifetime. MLK would have been pleased if he lived to see it.
Yet in the quest to sow strife and division in perfect Saul Alyndky style, in the past 10-15 years the left has started the embers of a race war. And they continue to fan those embers at every chance, including making some big deal of Trump’s alleged “shithole” comment. They never fucking let up.
Of course there are racists. Always have been, always will be. Black and white alike. But there are places in this country that almost seem “post racial”, with blacks and whites living together in relative harmony. Ironically, that seems to be happening more in the former racial hotbeds such as Mississippi, Tennessee, and other southern states.
On the flip side, the most racially charged areas are currently in blue northern cities. Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and of course Detroit and Baltimore have places no smart white person would ever trespass.
It’s almost as if the liberal progressives want it this way.
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The supposed "shithole" comment was a ruse in a lame attempt to force Trump to concede DACA.
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The supposed "shithole" comment was a ruse in a lame attempt to force Trump to concede DACA.
They must think they’re dealing with someone like GWB who never fought back.
Speaking of which, I read a piece where Trump May put veterans in the seats of the Dems who are boycotting the SOTU. If that happens that would be GOLD.
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They must think they’re dealing with someone like GWB who never fought back.
Speaking of which, I read a piece where Trump May put veterans in the seats of the Dems who are boycotting the SOTU. If that happens that would be GOLD.
You can't be part of the conversation if you get up from the table.
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The problem democrats have is that unit, Donald a Trump became President no one actually took black votes AWAY from the democrats. Now everybody is experiencing job creation benefits and it is enraging the party that thinks the black citizen is their bitch.
Trump is eliminating job killing regulations so fast that black unemployment is at a fifty year low. Why is it that you can’t find out about that on CNN and the other fan boy, fake news networks?
It is obvious that the democrats have nothing to combat economic opportunity that is happening in the black community because the concept of actually doing things to benefit their bitch has never been a priority for the democrats.
Couple that with black community leaders beginning to point out that abortion is the actual enemy of the black community, with a yuggge percentage of abortions being performed on black babies, and you have a fraudulent civil rights leadership standing naked in a spotlight, showing their empty words and personal fortunes built on the backs of the very people they claim to be concerned with.
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The problem democrats have is that unit, Donald a Trump became President no one actually took black votes AWAY from the democrats. Now everybody is experiencing job creation benefits and it is enraging the party that thinks the black citizen is their bitch.
Trump is eliminating job killing regulations so fast that black unemployment is at a fifty year low. Why is it that you can’t find out about that on CNN and the other fan boy, fake news networks?
It is obvious that the democrats have nothing to combat economic opportunity that is happening in the black community because the concept of actually doing things to benefit their bitch has never been a priority for the democrats.
Couple that with black community leaders beginning to point out that abortion is the actual enemy of the black community, with a yuggge percentage of abortions being performed on black babies, and you have a fraudulent civil rights leadership standing naked in a spotlight, showing their empty words and personal fortunes built on the backs of the very people they claim to be concerned with.
What black community leaders are you referring to?
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You can't be part of the conversation if you get up from the table.
Exactly. That’s why it is so evident that democrats have no interest in being part of the conversation. All they want is conflict and to create division with wedge issues and fake shows of outrage.
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Exactly. That’s why it is so evident that democrats have no interest in being part of the conversation. All they want is conflict and to create division with wedge issues and fake shows of outrage.
When Democrats say the want to have a conversation, they mean they want you to bow to their will. It is a code word for capitulation.
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Trump is eliminating job killing regulations so fast that black unemployment is at a fifty year low. Why is it that you can’t find out about that on CNN and the other fan boy, fake news networks?
This bears repeating.
I guess Trump really IS a racist.
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He is making those poor, ignorant, dependent negroes have to WORK, support themselves and pay taxes.
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