PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on November 02, 2018, 06:53:02 AM
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The day before yesterday, actually.
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And most if not all the candidates you voted for will LOSE, and rightfully so. People are tired of big government solutions for everything, and higher, and higher taxes on the middle income earner.
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I voted early because I was tired of the GOP shenanigans trying to suppress my vote. First it was the ID thing which did nab me once. Then they combined two polling stations, creating long long lines. Then they put the combined polling station in the basement of a church with no parking on the intersection of two one way streets.
Now I vote early or by mail.
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I voted early because I was tired of the GOP shenanigans trying to suppress my vote. First it was the ID thing which did nab me once. Then they combined two polling stations, creating long long lines. Then they put the combined polling station in the basement of a church with no parking on the intersection of two one way streets.
Now I vote early or by mail.
None of those things selectively suppress anyone's vote. You voted because you wanted to vote. If anyone doesn't want to vote, they can find excuses.
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To an academic pussy, everything is a GOP plot to disinfranchise his poor little self... I guess ONLY democrats are inconvenienced by having to show proof of ID to vote in your name. What a ducking shame...
Who gives a shit?
And while the pussy is whining his bullshit whine, there is a RECORD number of people employed for the twelfth time since President Trump took office, a thing that NEVER happened while the traitor was in office.
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I voted early. There was a line but not long. An old man in front of me was told that he couldn't vote because he had been mailed a vote by mail ballot and he had not returned it. He said he couldn't find it but they said then you need to go to the county office and change your vote away from mail vote and back to regular.
Apparently when you sign up for the mail ballot there is a box you are supposed to check saying whether you want to do it only this year or every year and the old man must have mistakenly checked that box. Good thing he came early so he could fix it and get his vote in.
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None of those things selectively suppress anyone's vote. You voted because you wanted to vote. If anyone doesn't want to vote, they can find excuses.
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I voted early because I was tired of the GOP shenanigans trying to suppress my vote. First it was the ID thing which did nab me once. Then they combined two polling stations, creating long long lines.
Long lines means long waits. That dissuades everyone except those with extra spare time, like the unemployed.
Then they put the combined polling station in the basement of a church with no parking on the intersection of two one way streets.
Dissuading people with cars and claustrophobia from voting.
Now I vote early or by mail.
End result: only people with either access to stamps or the car-less unemployed spelunker-types are likely to vote. It is well known that such subgroups vote against their own interests.
Ergo, Steingar voted Democrat.
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Long lines means long waits. That dissuades everyone except those with extra spare time, like the unemployed.
Try standing outside in an Ohio November in the rain and then tell me all about it.
Dissuading people with cars and claustrophobia from voting.
That election day I checked with friends in the suburbs, which tend to vote Republican. Ample parking, no lines.
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Try standing outside in an Ohio November in the rain and then tell me all about it.
That election day I checked with friends in the suburbs, which tend to vote Republican. Ample parking, no lines.
I keep a can of this handy whenever the perfesser comes by with yet another load of his stupid shit.
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2016 election, my precinct went about 86% for Trump, and the rest of the GOP folk. We had long lines at voting this past week. Early voting across the nation is the highest ever in a midterm since records have been kept. Don't gimme that do-goody-good bullshit about disenfranchisement. Everyone who wants to vote, can vote. Show an ID, take a ballot, do your thing. No ID? Cast a provisional vote in any precinct in the US and it will be evaluated and if found legit, it will count.
STFU and quit whining.
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2016 election, my precinct went about 86% for Trump, and the rest of the GOP folk. We had long lines at voting this past week. Early voting across the nation is the highest ever in a midterm since records have been kept. Don't gimme that do-goody-good bullshit about disenfranchisement. Everyone who wants to vote, can vote. Show an ID, take a ballot, do your thing. No ID? Cast a provisional vote in any precinct in the US and it will be evaluated and if found legit, it will count.
STFU and quit whining.
That would require a backbone, something the pussy academy c lacks,
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Try standing outside in an Ohio November in the rain and then tell me all about it
Gee... I remember you leturing us about unusuallly warm weather in November and how that proved you were suffering from mmgw.
I guess you’re suffering from mmg cooling now and want to lecture us again...
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Try standing outside in an Ohio November in the rain and then tell me all about it.
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Telling you to go fuck yourself would just be redundant.
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Telling you to go fuck yourself would just be redundant.
He’d whine it was a GOP plot to keep hm from voting.... and racist.
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We went out to dinner with a couple last night and in passing we talked about whether or not we had voted, just to discuss the long line or lack thereof in the early voting. We never discuss politics with that particular couple. When we first met them we touched on it enough to glean (we had thought) that they were more or less conservative, and we had assumed both vote Republican. For example, there was heavy criticism of Obama. I gathered both had voted against Obama both times. But the conversations always fizzled out very early so it has come that we just don't talk politics for some unknown reason.
However, on weekends my husband attends the regular meetings of males in one of their "man caves" (AKA garage) and he came under the impression everyone there including this guy was if not conservative, certainly not at all liberal. Apparently politics aren't a big topic there either but from indirect inferences that's his conclusion.
So last night in the middle of the talk about the situation at the polls, the husband suddenly comes up with a comment about canceling out his wife's vote. I attempted to follow this with an awkward question like, "How so?" which was met by an even more awkward silence. Everyone changed the subject and we continued with the pleasant dinner.
So in the car I'm in back with the wife and I said, "I didn't mean to put you on the spot about (your husband)'s comment about canceling your vote." and she said, "No not at all, it's just that sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't. This time I am very concerned with where the country is going in that I think it is even more divided now than it was under Obama." I took this as she was implying Trump was dividing the country. I decided not to try to pursue it any further and again the subject was changed.
But it has been bothering me. We have talked a lot about walkaways but I'm wondering if there is a reverse. I surmise that she watches MSM and believes Trump is the cause of the division whereas it is very clear to me the radical left is the cause of most of the division. But I'm concluding she is not someone who studies politics very closely and hence may be swayed by short soundbites. People who don't study the issues may have firm convictions but are simply unaware of which party best represents them. If you flip flop between voting Dem and Rep, you're probably like that.
In any case I have discovered why we never talk politics with this couple. It seems to be a point of contention between them as well as maybe she doesn't feel confident backing her opinions with information so avoids the whole subject, or maybe is a closet liberal and fears attack. Or maybe he is. But if that's the case he hides it pretty well at the man cave meetings. And anyway, statistically, it's far more likely she is the liberal if one of them are.
Because of the way the husband phrased his comment which included "I always..." language, I'm a bit skeptical about her claim that "sometimes" they agree. If she's liberal and feels she must hide it, maybe she was hedging by saying that. Or maybe she does flip flop and they do "sometimes" agree. What's certain is that I don't think I should press the topic with them. ;D
Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall after they got home.
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Just from my own reading and observation, I think the likelihood is greater for a person who did not vote for Trump to come around and vote for him and for republicans after seeing his actual performance on the job, than for a person to decide Trump is a problem and not an asset and thus walk away from the right. A diehard leftist will unthinkingly remain in resist mode and see no good at all in an R.
As mentioned in another thread, and as we all know, it is not just sad, and frustrating, but downright dangerous for this detente on discussion to exist in our country.
It sounds like that marriage has a real fault line going on; shared values are a really important foundation in marriage.
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Just from my own reading and observation, I think the likelihood is greater for a person who did not vote for Trump to come around and vote for him and for republicans after seeing his actual performance on the job, than for a person to decide Trump is a problem and not an asset and thus walk away from the right. A diehard leftist will unthinkingly remain in resist mode and see no good at all in an R.
As mentioned in another thread, and as we all know, it is not just sad, and frustrating, but downright dangerous for this detente on discussion to exist in our country.
It sounds like that marriage has a real fault line going on; shared values are a really important foundation in marriage.
That would have to assume they get their news from somewhere that actually covers the good stuff.
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Where did you find that photo of aunt peggy?
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@Rush: on the other hand, it is good to see that a couple can disagree on political issues and yet remain married. Maybe that's a hopeful sign that we as a country haven't (yet, anyway) become TOO dangerously divided. :)
Also, though it is possible that the wife blames Trump for the country's divided state, that's not necessarily the way she feels. Speaking for myself, I could have said much the same thing even though I'm quite certain the polarization we see today started long before 2016 and Trump is certainly not its cause. The only thing I fault Trump for is exploiting it instead of trying to heal the rifts.
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The only thing I fault Trump for is exploiting it instead of trying to heal the rifts.
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Speaking for myself, I could have said much the same thing even though I'm quite certain the polarization we see today started long before 2016 and Trump is certainly not its cause. The only thing I fault Trump for is exploiting it instead of trying to heal the rifts.
I don’t see the President exploiting the division he didn’t cause, and I do see him trying to heal the rift. He is trying to bring us together. Read his tweets. He calls things and people like he sees them, but in doing so he literally points to those who would divide and calls attention to them as such, especially the attempts by the media to deceive and divide. He calls us all Americans, not bitter clingers, deplorables and dregs. He has no interest in identity politics or political correctness, and the division they cause.
An astonishing number of gay, Latino, Black, and legal immigrants, and people in the arts, education and entertainment, submitted WalkAway testimonials saying that leaving the left has freed them from the narrow confines of its expectations and shibboleths, and they will never go back.
President Trump wants America and Americans to prosper. I believe his hope is that his hard work and accomplishments to that end ultimately will bring us together.
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Like I said: it started way before Trump, and I never said the Right was worse than the Left. Actually, I think the extremes on both sides are equally bad.
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#BlExit
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Yes, Blexit is a thing! There was a contingent at the WalkAway march in DC last weekend!
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Try standing outside in an Ohio November in the rain and then tell me all about it.
That election day I checked with friends in the suburbs, which tend to vote Republican. Ample parking, no lines.
Wait. First you were saying that Republicans control the election commission in a college down? Where do you work, Hillsdale? If not then I call BS. Not many college towns controlled by Republicans.
But now you’re saying that Republicans do control things, but find nicer digs in the suburbs to vote, while relegating democrats to shithole polling places? Maybe democrats just live in shitholes.
And your alleged unfairness goes both ways. The City of Milwaukee (run by democrats and socialists for a hundred years) have deeply expanded hours and days for early voting, including early voting through yesterday (Sunday), while most towns that vote conservative don’t have the municipal manpower to staff early voting for a fraction of the hours staffed by Milwaukee bureaucrats.
My wife needed to go out of town yesterday unexpectedly, and wanted to vote if possible before she left, but in our village early voting ended on Friday at 4:00. If we lived in Milwaukee, she could have early voted all day Sunday.
Instead, she traveled to her destination, will drive 3 hours back to vote tomorrow, and then drive 3 hours back that day.
So boo fucking hoo if you have to stand in line in the rain. Suck it up buttercup.
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Like I said: it started way before Trump, and I never said the Right was worse than the Left. Actually, I think the extremes on both sides are equally bad.
If you really believe that then your vision is clouded by the academic environment. No sane person, living in the real all world can make that claim with a straight face and expect to be believed.
I suspect you trying to be as politically correct as possible by including the right because you think you’re not allowed to criticize your peers without taking a shot at what they think of as the enemy.
Please show us ONE equivalent conservative organization to compare with ANTIFA, By Any Means Necessary and all the other violent, racist, progressive hate groups.
Does the republican party have 'leaders' going around on TV demanding that people harass republicans, making them "Not Welcome Anywhere?"
Which republicans interrupt every college speaker who happens not to pander the progressive political message?
You lose on truth. You lose on logic. And you lose on stupid statements meant to assuage your liberal guilt.
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So early voted last night, was an interesting exercise as most of the ballot initiatives were deceptively worded.
Voted against all incumbent judges, voted against all increases in government oversight/influence/control, voted against all bond issues, voted against all increased cost of government issues except one that would guarantee disability to law enforcement who are diagnosed with PTSD/mental illness following an on the job injury (I suspect it will be abused some but it is still the right thing to do IMO).
After I got home my 22yr old daughter was filling out her sample ballot since she will vote today, and she asks me how I voted on a particular ballot initiative, I asked which one, she said the pension one - we literally had a ballot initiative where we had to tell the city to only use pension funds for pensions, I ranted - she laughed, I laughed, my wife laughed, then we sighed....
Kommiefornia indeed.
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Posted on FB this morning by a millenial I know.....
Ten years ago on Election Day, I watched a man become President as the men and women around me cried and praised God that someone who looked like them had been elected into the highest office in the country where they grew up. For many of them in their sixties and seventies, they lived their entire lives believing that they would never see a President who looked like them.
This is why I vote. So that children of all ethnicities, of all religions, of any origin can see people leading our country who look like them, so those young people can believe that one day they can lead it too.
I voted early along with millions of others, but if you have not voted yet, grab your umbrella and your raincoat and get out there to cast your ballot!
Notice how, to him, and what he was taught is that thr group someone belongs to is more important than their capabilities.
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Posted on FB this morning by a millenial I know.....Notice how, to him, and what he was taught is that thr group someone belongs to is more important than their capabilities.
It is more shallow than that. It is simply what you look like that’s supposed to inspire the gushing awe.
And we all saw how that worked out.
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Posted on FB this morning by a millenial I know.....Notice how, to him, and what he was taught is that thr group someone belongs to is more important than their capabilities.
Identity Politics, and righting perceived past wrong are how they've been indoctrinated in school, and by the media their entire lives. It is virtuous to promote identity over MERIT.
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Identity Politics, and righting perceived past wrong are how they've been indoctrinated in school, and by the media their entire lives. It is virtuous to promote identity over MERIT.
I think this might be the greatest statement ever made about the American liberal movement.
Outstanding use of context.
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Voting for a democrat is racist.
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Voting for a democrat is racist.
My new shirt ...
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A couple of Russians broke down my front door this morning, dragged me into the dining room and forced me at knifepoint to change all the Dem votes on my ballot to Republican.
They’re now escorting me to the dropbox. Help!!!
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I'm still waiting for my check from Putin; damn lying commies can't keep thier promises.
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I'm still waiting for my check from Putin; damn lying commies can't keep thier promises.
I was promised the "Order of Lenin" for my vote.
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My sister called me up a little while ago and asked how mom should vote on this long list of propositions.
Where do I begin?
1. They were walking out the door on the way to vote, you wait til NOW to ask me?
2. I'm not even living in your state. How do I know what stuff is on your ballot?
3. Why do you have to tell mom how to vote?
4. Why do I have to tell you how to tell mom how to vote?
Bwa ha ha ha! It's not as bad as all that. Sister votes by mail in her home state (she's temporarily living with mom as a caregiver) and mom gets very confused by politics and needs someone to explain things to her in simple terms. So I quick googled the stuff on her ballot and dumbed it down for them.
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My sister called me up a little while ago and asked how mom should vote on this long list of propositions.
Where do I begin?
1. They were walking out the door on the way to vote, you wait til NOW to ask me?
2. I'm not even living in your state. How do I know what stuff is on your ballot?
3. Why do you have to tell mom how to vote?
4. Why do I have to tell you how to tell mom how to vote?
Bwa ha ha ha! It's not as bad as all that. Sister votes by mail in her home state (she's temporarily living with mom as a caregiver) and mom gets very confused by politics and needs someone to explain things to her in simple terms. So I quick googled the stuff on her ballot and dumbed it down for them.
Nothing against your Mom, but she shouldn't be voting. Of course, I don't think my wife should be voting either. Even though she borders on genius, she is completely ignorant about politics, except for what she reads in her liberal news paper, which is from another city.
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Got a screen shot from a WalkAway who got this from a Dem at the polling place ...
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I have my two Russian SKS's, both Makarovs, and a Polish P-83 handy just in case the Russians come for me.
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Got a screen shot from a WalkAway who got this from a Dem at the polling place ...
I fucking HATE anyone thinking they can talk to me as I’m walking into the polling place, of either party. Even if they are “legal” and outside the minimum perimeter, I consider walking into the polls to be a solemn duty, and will tell anyone to back off, regardless of party.
The last time that happened to me was in 2000 or 2004 in Charlotte. There were a half dozen groups trying to “educate” me. I told them all to back off.
So I’m not surprised this table was set up at a polling place, though now I know what retired old hippie communists look like now.
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Nothing against your Mom, but she shouldn't be voting. Of course, I don't think my wife should be voting either. Even though she borders on genius, she is completely ignorant about politics, except for what she reads in her liberal news paper, which is from another city.
Mom is conservative at heart. Devote Catholic. She voted for Kennedy but has voted Republican since then because she is anti-abortion. She also believes illegal immigration needs to be stopped, taxes should be lowered, and doesn't want men in her ladies room. If you ask her point by point she will tell you these things. But the only news she reads is that damned liberal rag and it's got her so screwed up and confused.
It's like the healthcare proxy and durable power of attorney. I have to make decisions for her because she is getting more and more confused, but I make those decisions in HER best interest, the way I think SHE wants. I view these voting questions the same way, if she insists on asking me how she should vote, I will tell her in accordance with what I know HER values are, not try to convince her to my values.
It didn't used to be that way. I used to try to debate with her and turn her to my point of view, but that was when she had a quick mind. These days I feel it's my duty just to help her feel confident and at peace that she is voting in line with her values.
But how many people do it that way? And how many just talk the old person into voting however THEY want them to? Because a lot of people do that I have thought that you are right, people should not be allowed to vote when they get all old and confused.
For that matter, I think confused young people shouldn't vote either. Teenagers are by definition confused. Oh if I were king, you wouldn't vote until you've had to support yourself with a job for at least five years, and passed a general knowledge test heavy on economics, history, logic and science.
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Mom is conservative at heart. Devote Catholic. She voted for Kennedy but has voted Republican since then because she is anti-abortion. She also believes illegal immigration needs to be stopped, taxes should be lowered, and doesn't want men in her ladies room. If you ask her point by point she will tell you these things. But the only news she reads is that damned liberal rag and it's got her so screwed up and confused.
It's like the healthcare proxy and durable power of attorney. I have to make decisions for her because she is getting more and more confused, but I make those decisions in HER best interest, the way I think SHE wants. I view these voting questions the same way, if she insists on asking me how she should vote, I will tell her in accordance with what I know HER values are, not try to convince her to my values.
It didn't used to be that way. I used to try to debate with her and turn her to my point of view, but that was when she had a quick mind. These days I feel it's my duty just to help her feel confident and at peace that she is voting in line with her values.
But how many people do it that way? And how many just talk the old person into voting however THEY want them to? Because a lot of people do that I have thought that you are right, people should not be allowed to vote when they get all old and confused.
For that matter, I think confused young people shouldn't vote either. Teenagers are by definition confused. Oh if I were king, you wouldn't vote until you've had to support yourself with a job for at least five years, and passed a general knowledge test heavy on economics, history, logic and science.
Add geography and a basic government or civics class and I’m with you.
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I fucking HATE anyone thinking they can talk to me as I’m walking into the polling place, of either party. Even if they are “legal” and outside the minimum perimeter, I consider walking into the polls to be a solemn duty, and will tell anyone to back off, regardless of party.
The last time that happened to me was in 2000 or 2004 in Charlotte. There were a half dozen groups trying to “educate” me. I told them all to back off.
So I’m not surprised this table was set up at a polling place, though now I know what retired old hippie communists look like now.
The person who took the photo said they called out, “Are you sure you’re at the 100-foot minimum?”
It’s astonishing they’d think we would want to elect people that easily triggered.
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Ha ha!
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I don’t see the President exploiting the division he didn’t cause, and I do see him trying to heal the rift. He is trying to bring us together. Read his tweets.
I do. Calling the press the "enemy of the people" is the first thing that comes to mind, and there are doubtless hundreds of others. The ad that appeared on his twitter feed and was not run by any commercial outlets, allegedly accusing the Dems of being responsible for an undocumented alien's killing of a police officer, is another. I think he really cares only about preaching to his base and doesn't try to draw in independents.
An astonishing number of gay, Latino, Black, and legal immigrants, and people in the arts, education and entertainment, submitted WalkAway testimonials saying that leaving the left has freed them from the narrow confines of its expectations and shibboleths, and they will never go back.
I haven't submitted any testimonials but I am certainly part of that movement -- but that doesn't mean I've become a Republican and I suspect many if not most of the WalkAways are, like me, becoming independents rather than jumping to the other party. And I daresay that walking away from the liberal lockstep doesn't imply one must like everything Trump is doing. I see the good he has done but I also cringe at much of what he says and I don't think he is good for the tenor of politics in this country.
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I do. Calling the press the "enemy of the people" is the first thing that comes to mind, and there are doubtless hundreds of others. The ad that appeared on his twitter feed and was not run by any commercial outlets, allegedly accusing the Dems of being responsible for an undocumented alien's killing of a police officer, is another. I think he really cares only about preaching to his base and doesn't try to draw in independents.
I haven't submitted any testimonials but I am certainly part of that movement -- but that doesn't mean I've become a Republican and I suspect many if not most of the WalkAways are, like me, becoming independents rather than jumping to the other party. And I daresay that walking away from the liberal lockstep doesn't imply one must like everything Trump is doing. I see the good he has done but I also cringe at much of what he says and I don't think he is good for the tenor of politics in this country.
He said fake news is the enemy of the people, not the press. And the spreading of fake news is coloring tonight’s map, you may be assured, and not to the people’s benefit but to the Dem party’s lust for power. You saw that with Kavanaugh, I’m sure.
Dems are pushing for open borders and allowing masses of people in from wherever. The illegal (please don’t say undocumented; such euphemisms are the enemy of the people) who killed the police officer laughed and said he wished he’d killed two. Right there you have reason enough to never vote Dem again.
We are not in a position to try and draw independents with gentle rhetoric. The Dems are in full attack mode. Building a wall, enforcing borders, backing law enforcement and military, and getting the economy moving and keeping it moving are engaging the President’s attention and he needs us all to back him. We didn’t elect him to create an acceptable “tenor” for you.
I’ve read several hundred of the WalkAway testimonials. I attest that the WalkAway who does NOT switch to Republican is rare. During the week of Kavanaugh, 3,000 people switched, many describing their trip to the courthouse to do so.
I cringe at Trump sometimes, too! I am constantly worried he’ll out his foot in it! But we will never, ever have a President ever again with the vitality, work ethic, patriotic purpose and ABSOLUTELY FREE AGENT STATUS that Donald Trump has.
He is our voice, our hope. And he has my undying loyalty and vote.