PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on December 18, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
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According to his press secretary Sarah Sanders, Trump will support a budget that doesn't include funds for his wall. I thought he was going to get the Mexicans to pay for it.
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Link:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/18/white-house-suggests-it-will-back-down-on-5-billion-border-wall-demand.html
The White House suggested Tuesday that President Donald Trump could back down from his demand for $5 billion to fund his proposed border wall in a year-end spending bill.
Trump's push for the money has threatened a partial government shutdown when funding for seven agencies lapses after midnight Friday. Last week, the president said he would be "proud" to close parts of the government over border security.
A couple of points. First, I don't think he should've decided to own the shut down last week when he made the comment. Border security is an issue that resonates with the American people and he should've let Chuck Schumer own it. He also shouldn't have backed down today. This is going to give Pelosi momentum going into January.
Second, the whole "government shut down" thing is even less of a shut down this time around since the majority of the government is actually funded through the end of the fiscal year. I'm not sure why he backed down.
Also, making a campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it was silly.
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There are many ways to extract money from Mexico to offset the cost of the wall. How much money would slowing, or stopping the flow of illegal aliens save government, and the taxpayer? Billions, if not more.
Also, trade deals, and keeping jobs, and tax paying companies in the U.S. could offset the cost of the wall. When Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall I didn't take that to mean they would be giving us a check to pay for the construction.
We don't know what Trump got in return for going along with funding government without the wall included.
I don't even think Michael would disagree that allowing people to come here ILLEGALLY, and without knowing their backgrounds is a detriment, risk, and costly to the U.S. taxpayers. Anything that would slow, or stop them from coming would be a good thing. To gleefully celebrate the failure of us as a country to not have illegals come here is counterproductive. No other developed nation allows this. Why should we?
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As with most things the President says, the “Mexico will pay for the wall” statement has been truncated widely and misinterpreted.
I was quite interested in that issue during the campaign, and Trump clearly spelled out on his website that the United States is Mexico’s de facto welfare system. The wall would be funded by money that stayed here rather than being sent to Mexico by workers here. He even proposed to place fees on money earned here but sent to Mexico.
He also did not say the press was the enemy of the people. He said fake news is the enemy of the people, which is robustly true.
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Rush Limbaugh had a very interesting take on this.
The fat lady hasn't sung yet is my take and Limbaugh makes me think I'm right.
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My thinking is of course our southern border needs to be protected. That said, if someone has been here for years, raised kids here, kept a job, paid their taxes and kept out of trouble I’d like to see a way for them to stay. I think America needs those sorts of people.
Yeah, they broke the law coming here. Lots of people break the law and become productive citizens after they take their lumps. There should be lumps for illegal aliens, but if they do that we’ll here there should be a way for them to become productive citizens.
That, and a wall is no better than the folks manning it.
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So then, people who haven’t been here for years, who haven’t paid taxes or who haven’t kept out of trouble should be deported?
I have no problem with immigrants. But I do have a problem with uncontrolled immigration. So many people have fled their Mexican ghettos for a better life, only to be living in a Hispanic ghetto in the US. I have been there, there are huge swaths of LA that feel like Mexico and that isn’t a positive change for everyone else. Southern California used to beautiful and a great place to visit, but now I just don’t want to go there anymore. I can only wonder at how under assault the people who grew up there must feel.
The wall is not about keeping people out. It is about having control over who comes in. A wall plus good people manning it is better than just good people.
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My thinking is of course our southern border needs to be protected. That said, if someone has been here for years, raised kids here, kept a job, paid their taxes and kept out of trouble I’d like to see a way for them to stay. I think America needs those sorts of people.
Yeah, they broke the law coming here. Lots of people break the law and become productive citizens after they take their lumps. There should be lumps for illegal aliens, but if they do that we’ll here there should be a way for them to become productive citizens.
That, and a wall is no better than the folks manning it.
This topic, which YOU started, is about building the wall. Now you are changing your argument to talk about people that have already crossed the wall-less border and are currently living here illegally. It makes it hard to argue a point when you change the premise.
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People that break the law to come here show me they are OK with that, and are more likely to break other laws when they are here. Plus, we have NO way of knowing who they are. Why is the Left OK with letting in people we know nothing about, and could be criminals, terrorists, drug dealers, gang members, or just people that want to take free stuff from our system.
Why is this OK to Leftists? Why is it OK for American citizens to be put AT MORE RISK due to un-vetted illegal aliens that come here?
Again, NO OTHER COUNTRY ALLOWS THIS.
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This topic, which YOU started, is about building the wall. Now you are changing your argument to talk about people that have already crossed the wall-less border and are currently living here illegally. It makes it hard to argue a point when you change the premise.
He's trolling, nothing more.
Don't feed the troll.
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People that break the law to come here show me they are OK with that, and are more likely to break other laws when they are here. Plus, we have NO way of knowing who they are. Why is the Left OK with letting in people we know nothing about, and could be criminals, terrorists, drug dealers, gang members, or just people that want to take free stuff from our system.
Why is this OK to Leftists? Why is it OK for American citizens to be put AT MORE RISK due to un-vetted illegal aliens that come here?
Again, NO OTHER COUNTRY ALLOWS THIS.
It's okay with leftists because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat. I think that's the core of it, nothing more. Immigration has become a tool for the left to turn this country into a socialist state. Before the Democrat party became a vehicle for the Bolsheviks, immigration wasn't such a contentious issue. You come in, you naturalize and then you belong to one party or the other, both major parties were still basically pro-American. My mother's family came in the late 1800s and early 1900s and were working class rust belt Democrats but were also strongly rooted in conservative values, very religious, very loyal to this country and its Constitution.
The Democrat Party today is nothing like that.
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It seems that with all the law breaking by illegal aliens and our elected officials that the rest of us will come up with the idea that what the hell are we obeying the laws for? The other thing that I wonder about is all the 'investigations' going on in our government for political purposes, what a waste of money, time and manpower!
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It seems that with all the law breaking by illegal aliens and our elected officials that the rest of us will come up with the idea that what the hell are we obeying the laws for? The other thing that I wonder about is all the 'investigations' going on in our government for political purposes, what a waste of money, time and manpower!
Obama, and his DOJ helped popularize ignoring laws that they didn't like. It also created an atmosphere were criminals felt emboldened, and Democrat controlled police in big cities were told to stand down.
Witch hunt, after witch hunt with no facts, nor evidence in the hope they can de-legitimize Trump.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/20/ryan-trump-wont-sign-spending-bill-house-work-alte/
House Speaker Paul Ryan on Thursday said that President Trump would refuse to sign the spending bill passed by the Senate, sending lawmakers back to the drawing board to avoid a government shutdown Friday.
Emerging from a meeting with the president at the White House, Mr. Ryan said the president would not sign a spending bill that did not include funding for border security.
“We just had a very long productive meeting with the president. The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security,” Mr. Ryan told reporters.
“So what we’re going to do is go back to the House and work with our members,” he said.
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Wait. So Michael is wrong? Yet AGAIN?
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Maybe this time he'll stick to his guns and veto bills that don't pass the wall funding. Shapiro has a good take on this, and I think he's probably going to be right, or close to it (though I'm hoping Trump holds out):
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1075825014346149888
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Ok, so someone tell me WHY the Republicans still have a majority in Congress, yet failed to insert a measly $5B for the wall? (Measly in terms of "government money").
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Ok, so someone tell me WHY the Republicans still have a majority in Congress, yet failed to insert a measly $5B for the wall? (Measly in terms of "government money").
It's called "the establishment". They work hand in hand with their dim counterparts fueling the DC machine, and they do not want a disrupter like Trump ruining their enterprise, "Govt Inc."
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are in this group, as well as many other well known names that put an "R" after them. They want Trump gone, and they want one of their own (R or D) back in the WH so they can get back to business as usual.
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It's called "the establishment". They work hand in hand with their dim counterparts fueling the DC machine, and they do not want a disrupter like Trump ruining their enterprise, "Govt Inc."
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are in this group, as well as many other well known names that put an "R" after them. They want Trump gone, and they want one of their own (R or D) back in the WH so they can get back to business as usual.
These people meet in bars after hours for drinks. The R's are TRAITORS to their base.
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These people meet in bars after hours for drinks. The R's are TRAITORS to their base.
They meet at the Old Ebbit Grill, eat steaks, drink Martinis all on us, then talk about how to grow government, and screw the taxpayer. Tar and feathers are too good for these guys.
http://www.ebbitt.com/
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Ok, so someone tell me WHY the Republicans still have a majority in Congress, yet failed to insert a measly $5B for the wall? (Measly in terms of "government money").
They won't have a majority in January, and this is probably one reason why (though certainly not the only reason). There was no repeal of Obamacare and no wall built. You're right that $5 billion is peanuts compared to money spent on other, far less useful, projects. This should've been passed early on.
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It's called "the establishment". They work hand in hand with their dim counterparts fueling the DC machine, and they do not want a disrupter like Trump ruining their enterprise, "Govt Inc."
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are in this group, as well as many other well known names that put an "R" after them. They want Trump gone, and they want one of their own (R or D) back in the WH so they can get back to business as usual.
Yet those same establishment types got tax cut legislation passed and the Senate got two Supreme Court nominees confirmed (despite Democrat's best efforts, especially on the latter).
I don't discount that the establishment is a roadblock in many instances, but Republicans, as a whole, support stricter border security and enforcement than Democrats.
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Yet those same establishment types got tax cut legislation passed and the Senate got two Supreme Court nominees confirmed (despite Democrat's best efforts, especially on the latter).
I don't discount that the establishment is a roadblock in many instances, but Republicans, as a whole, support stricter border security and enforcement than Democrats.
Really? And 2 years in a majority they have done?
Sorry, they talk a good game. When it comes down to action, they can't seem to find their balls and blame someone else.
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Really? And 2 years in a majority they have done?
Sorry, they talk a good game. When it comes down to action, they can't seem to find their balls and blame someone else.
I still think a lot of them are being blackmailed. Every person in the world has dirt on them, if you call making a clumsy pass at a girl when you were a teen "dirt", and we have seen this played out in the worst way. No one wants to be the next Kavanaugh.
Social shaming and career destruction because your mother said the n word thirty years ago. The Dems now use this as normal acceptable business as usual. May they all burn in hell.
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As with most things the President says, the “Mexico will pay for the wall” statement has been truncated widely and misinterpreted.
I was quite interested in that issue during the campaign, and Trump clearly spelled out on his website that the United States is Mexico’s de facto welfare system. The wall would be funded by money that stayed here rather than being sent to Mexico by workers here. He even proposed to place fees on money earned here but sent to Mexico.
He also did not say the press was the enemy of the people. He said fake news is the enemy of the people, which is robustly true.
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I still think a lot of them are being blackmailed. Every person in the world has dirt on them, if you call making a clumsy pass at a girl when you were a teen "dirt", and we have seen this played out in the worst way. No one wants to be the next Kavanaugh.
Social shaming and career destruction because your mother said the n word thirty years ago. The Dems now use this as normal acceptable business as usual. May they all burn in hell.
They are being blackmailed by their own, in more ways than one.
Go against the leadership and they can make life very difficult. Committee positions as well as being able to get items put in a bill will go away if one goes against the will of leadership. Also, as we've seen in the senate, go against McConnell and he will actually spend money during the election to defeat those who dare defy him.
DC is a sewer populated with the worse vermin, and we keep electing them, over and over. Power corrupts.
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Looking at the President’s Twitter feed I see things are developing. House passed the spending bill with $5 billion for the wall, and now to the Senate. Unless I missed something.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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There does seem to be a pattern in responses to the President. “Wait two days before reacting to anything the President says.”
Remember, Trump is surrounded by the very worst sort of people who will not only take your silence for assent, but will twist and pervert literally every sound that comes out of your mouth without hesitation. All of the weasel words that surrounded the media narrative about Trump's preemptive cucking on the budget should have been your first sign: "the Trump administration has signaled" and so forth.
All that means is that some subordinates in the administration are trying to influence Trump to go with the flow. It doesn't mean a damn thing with regards to the President's policy or what his actual decision will be. And given that "Mad Poodle" Mattis actually resigned in a hissy fit over Trump's decision to stop fighting an unwinnable perma-war in the Middle East that is of no benefit whatsoever to Americans - that's what the neocon hysteria is really about - it's clear that the President has been under incredible lobbying pressure from Congress, from his advisers, and from the financial industry.
You don't think it's an accident that the stock market is being crashed now, do you? This is all designed to put pressure on the God-Emperor to surrender to the World Democratic Revolutionaries and the Democrats.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-first-rule-of-trump.html
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Wait. So Michael is wrong? Yet AGAIN?
Aren't you presuming mikey was ever right about anything?
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Aren't you presuming mikey was ever right about anything?
LOL! No!