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Title: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 08, 2016, 11:50:27 AM
Denver fans destroy property.  12 arrests.  No one was called a thug
https://www.facebook.com/DenverChannel/videos/10153565388128271/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/DenverChannel/videos/10153565388128271/?fref=nf)
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: JeffDG on February 08, 2016, 12:09:44 PM
I'll call them "Thugs".  There, happy?


I also called folks in Calgary who destroyed property during a Flames playoff run thugs.  And thanks to Vancouver fans after they lost in the Stanley Cup finals, I find the term "Cannuck" to be insulting, and I call them thugs as well.


In the interest of completeness, I also call my primary strategy in the board game "RISK" my "Roving Band of Thugs"
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 08, 2016, 12:10:24 PM
Heck, I'll call Chris Christie a thug. 
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: PaulS on February 08, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
I think they are assholes, but thugs fits too.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Bob Noel on February 08, 2016, 02:57:04 PM
Denver fans destroy property.  12 arrests.  No one was called a thug
https://www.facebook.com/DenverChannel/videos/10153565388128271/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/DenverChannel/videos/10153565388128271/?fref=nf)

no one was called a thug, that you know about....

Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 08, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
The mantra of the left is that the term "Thug" is code for black person, and accusation for racist.  It's old and tired.   ::)
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 08, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
The mantra of the left is that the term "Thug" is code for black person, and accusation for racist.  It's old and tired.   ::)
The "code" is that the terms is only applied to black people.  But white people doing the same thing gets a "kinder, gentler" term.
Its relevance is Tongue-In-Cheek considering that Cam Newton was accused of Thuggery leading up to SB50.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 08, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
The "code" is that the terms is only applied to black people.  But white people doing the same thing gets a "kinder, gentler" term.
Its relevance is Tongue-In-Cheek considering that Cam Newton was accused of Thuggery leading up to SB50.

Please investigate the origin of the term "Thug".  Also, Italians, Irish, and others were called Thugs in America well before Blacks. 
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: LevelWing on February 08, 2016, 06:01:15 PM
The "code" is that the terms is only applied to black people.  But white people doing the same thing gets a "kinder, gentler" term.
Its relevance is Tongue-In-Cheek considering that Cam Newton was accused of Thuggery leading up to SB50.
What "kinder, gentler" term would that be?

Quote from: Dictionary.com
noun
1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
That doesn't seem to imply any sort of racial bias.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 06:03:10 AM
Typically you see something like "over exuberant party goers".
While the dictionary gives one definition, the way it is applied has not been equally distributed in MSM.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Bob Noel on February 09, 2016, 07:32:18 AM
Typically you see something like "over exuberant party goers".
While the dictionary gives one definition, the way it is applied has not been equally distributed in MSM.

typically *you* see racism everywhere.

Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Johnh on February 09, 2016, 07:50:48 AM
typically *you* see racism everywhere.
I guess Pogo was right:
"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it it hard to see that the problem is the draining of the swamp". Or something like that.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: nddons on February 09, 2016, 09:12:54 AM

The "code" is that the terms is only applied to black people.  But white people doing the same thing gets a "kinder, gentler" term.
Its relevance is Tongue-In-Cheek considering that Cam Newton was accused of Thuggery leading up to SB50.

I wouldn't call any QB a thug, because they're, well, a QB. I would call Newton a petulant man-child douche bag, but not a thug.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Number7 on February 09, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
The idea that "nobody" uses the term thug when describing anyone but blacks is nonsense. Quite often law enforcement officers are referred to as thugs, thuggish, and other far uglier terms. The entire New Orleans Saints football club was accused to being thugs when they conspired to pay bounties for injuring other players. Claiming thugs for your skin color only is the type of whining that causes people to turn away from any relevant points the whiner is trying to make.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 11:52:41 AM
The idea that "nobody" uses the term thug when describing anyone but blacks is nonsense. Quite often law enforcement officers are referred to as thugs, thuggish, and other far uglier terms. The entire New Orleans Saints football club was accused to being thugs when they conspired to pay bounties for injuring other players. Claiming thugs for your skin color only is the type of whining that causes people to turn away from any relevant points the whiner is trying to make.
Then using your logic I can use the "N word" to refer to anyone of any race when I tell a story.  The story listeners will all know who I am referring to in the story.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: pilot_dude on February 09, 2016, 12:20:56 PM
Then using your logic I can use the "N word" to refer to anyone of any race when I tell a story.  The story listeners will all know who I am referring to in the story.
No, we all know who is being spoke about when the term wigger is used.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2016, 12:22:03 PM
Wait, nobody has made a man made global warming comment yet.   ;D
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: FastEddieB on February 09, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
Then using your logic I can use the "N word" to refer to anyone of any race when I tell a story.  The story listeners will all know who I am referring to in the story.

If I read a story about someone beaten up by thugs, it imparts no information about the race of said thugs.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 12:31:23 PM
If I read a story about someone beaten up by thugs, it imparts no information about the race of said thugs.

How about 'beaten up by thugs in an urban community.'?  Clear as mud?
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: FastEddieB on February 09, 2016, 12:36:08 PM

How about 'beaten up by thugs in an urban community.'?  Clear as mud?

Maybe "beaten up by thugs of the negro persuasion in an urban community" would narrow it down for me. Otherwise they could be of any race.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 12:47:52 PM
That's cause you're "special". ;D
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2016, 01:01:01 PM
Most inner city gang bangers are Black.  They are THUGS.  Whites, Hispanic, Asian gang member and criminals are also THUGS.  I think the OP needs to watch "Gunga Din" again. 
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: asechrest on February 09, 2016, 01:03:09 PM
If I read a story about someone beaten up by thugs, it imparts no information about the race of said thugs.

A better test would be: If you decided to guess "black", would you be right most of the time?
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: FastEddieB on February 09, 2016, 01:12:30 PM
A better test would be: If you decided to guess "black", would you be right most of the time?

Stereotypes are rarely constructed out of whole cloth.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: asechrest on February 09, 2016, 01:16:07 PM
Stereotypes are rarely constructed out of whole cloth.

Don't micro-aggress me, sir!  ;D
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: JeffDG on February 09, 2016, 01:35:29 PM

How about 'beaten up by thugs in an urban community.'?  Clear as mud?
Nope.  Thugs has precisely zero racial connotations for myself, and I dare say most people.


Now, if you want to assume that most thugs are black, that's not my fault.


But then people can make anything into a "dog whistle"
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
What's the demographics of our prison populations?
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: JeffDG on February 09, 2016, 01:51:11 PM
What's the demographics of our prison populations?
Plenty of thugs of all colours there.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
Plenty of thugs of all colours there.

I really don't know, I'm asking.  It's "colors" Jeff, colors.  Your penance is to spend three nights at Valley Forge in the winter like right now, and recite the Star Spangled Banner backwards!    ;D
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 02:06:24 PM
But then people can make anything into a "dog whistle"
Enlighten me on the reference.  That's the 2nd one I've seen.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: JeffDG on February 09, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
Enlighten me on the reference.  That's the 2nd one I've seen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 09, 2016, 03:38:44 PM
Thanks Jeff.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: FastEddieB on February 09, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
Don't micro-aggress me, sir!  ;D

C'mon, you know you like it!
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Florida Cracker on February 09, 2016, 10:00:22 PM
Then using your logic I can use the "N word" to refer to anyone of any race when I tell a story.  The story listeners will all know who I am referring to in the story.

Thanks for polluting an intelligent conversation with nonsense. How you got from generic use of the word thug, to a racist dog whistle word is beyond me, but I'm sure you can justify it in your fantasies.
And you accuse me of stupidity?!?!?
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 10, 2016, 02:32:54 PM
It seems that my assertion is not supportable in the sampling size that PS provides. I can accept that.
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: LevelWing on February 10, 2016, 09:01:18 PM
It seems that my assertion is not supportable in the sampling size that PS provides. I can accept that.
In other words, you're going to find a sampling that gives you the answer you want?
Title: Re: C'Mon Mainstream Media - Waiting for you to call them THUGS
Post by: You Only Live Twice on February 13, 2016, 10:28:07 AM

How about 'beaten up by thugs in an urban community.'?  Clear as mud?

When the newspapers report "A man is wanted on suspicion of X crime" and then don't add a description to aid identification, we all know what that is 'code' for.