PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 21, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
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I'm curious how y'all feel Trump's ongoing Tweeting about McCain. Yesterday Johnny Isakson went to the floor of the Senate to denounce Trump and his Tweeting on McCain.
I've written Senator Isakson (I live in Georgia) to express my displeasure with his action. I agree that McCain was a hero in the military and served his country honorably and that it must have been hell being a P.O.W. I do not believe that insulates him for his being a RINO during his service as a Senator. His participation in the gang of eight was disappointing and most recently the fact that he voted against killing the ACA was inexcusable, especially when he said he would vote in favor and then back stabbed everyone.
I see him as a very bitter politician who was soundly defeated in his run for the Presidency and then was upset by Trump winning the Presidency and held a grudge because of that. I feel he was a petty SOB.
What are your feelings?
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You can be a war hero and a vindictive and petulant asshole at the same time. One does not inoculate someone from the other.
McCain was what I said, including a cad who met a blond on a beach in Hawaii nearly 20 years younger than himself and who divorced his wife and left his 3 kids to get married to Cindy. He’s dishonorable in that context.
McCain became a small and petty man, when he could have lived a life larger than himself. He took the low road for his own ego and self-aggrandizement.
That being said, Trump doesn’t need to be getting into a scrap with a dead guy. It does him no good.
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McCain deserves every thing he gets in life or death. He was a very destructive politician to his own party purely to stroke his own ego. He did this all his life. Everything was always about him. He was lucky his Dad wan an Admiral or he would have been thrown out of the Navy.
Agree this is a no win argument for Trump. He is letting his huge ego get in the way.
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That being said, Trump doesn’t need to be getting into a scrap with a dead guy. It does him no good.
Agree this is a no win argument for Trump. He is letting his huge ego get in the way.
But, but, but Steingar said you guys never say anything negative about Trump. You're supposed to defend him even if he hits little children.
That said, I agree that Trump should be leaving this alone. Even if McCain deserves it. And I think he does. He tried to sabotage Trump ever since he got his feelings hurt in the campaign. He was willing to damage the country in order to hurt Trump.
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If I could I'd pee on McCain's grave, but I wouldn't talk or tweet about it. Trump is once again opening himself up for needless criticism. Oh no! I disagree with Trump!
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This is a no-win for Trump. He should just leave it alone even though he's speaking the truth. It just opens him up to his critics, and they are legion. I do think he's being especially petty when he says that he authorized the funeral and didn't get any thanks. True, but sheesh.
On the other hand, what's in the other hand? Is he using this to distract the media from something else? That's his usual tactic and it works well.
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This is a no-win for Trump. He should just leave it alone even though he's speaking the truth. It just opens him up to his critics, and they are legion. I do think he's being especially petty when he says that he authorized the funeral and didn't get any thanks. True, but sheesh.
On the other hand, what's in the other hand? Is he using this to distract the media from something else? That's his usual tactic and it works well.
Yep. Plays them like a fiddle.
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McCain was a bitter, angry, old geezer, who stayed far too long in politics and ruined what could have been a reasonably kind legacy.
There is really no difference between him and nancy pelosi, when you get right down to it.
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The president would be more effective if he wasn’t also a nasty twitter troll.
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The president would be more effective if he wasn’t also a nasty twitter troll.
It is certainly a weakness of his. All Presidents have them, but many know how to keep it hidden. Trump makes his weakness public, and I just don't think he can control his ego. However, I like his policies, and priorities. I think, for the most part he is spot on.
Do you see the positives of Trump, or only the negatives?
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The president would be more effective if he wasn’t also a nasty twitter troll.
More effective? I can’t complain about his current level of effectiveness which is greater than the last three presidents combined.
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More effective? I can’t complain about his current level of effectiveness which is greater than the last three presidents combined.
More effective. For example he would have more supporters and we would all probably still be toasting the wall right now if he hadn’t shown people that has a petulant mean streak. Many people do not want to support a bully and that lost support has translated into lost legislative power.
Think how blown away you’d be with him if he had more supporters.
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More effective. For example he would have more supporters and we would all probably still be toasting the wall right now if he hadn’t shown people that has a petulant mean streak. Many people do not want to support a bully and that lost support has translated into lost legislative power.
Think how blown away you’d be with him if he had more supporters.
I don’t think he’d have more supporters. I think to those who don’t support him it doesn’t matter at all what he does. He could walk on water and cure the common cold and they’d still vilify him. Although I do admit there are some people who voted for him who may have turned against him, my neighbor is an example. But it isn’t his tweets that turned her, it’s the fact that she watches CNN and they constantly pound the message that he is treasonous, demented, racist, etc etc etc. she says “Trump has divided the country more than ever,” but in my mind it isn’t Trump who did that, it’s mainstream media constantly misrepresenting Trump. If they didn’t have his tweets to fuel that they’d use something else or just make shit up, like they do anyway.
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The president would be more effective if he wasn’t also a nasty twitter troll.
I used to think that, and I still cringe at a few tweets. Personally I hate Twitter.
But I now see Trump’s point. He has 47.8 MILLION followers on Twitter. That is more than the viewership of every network news and cable news outlet COMBINED for any given hour of viewership.
So from Trump’s perspective, a single tweet will hit the phones of 15% of the American population (yes I understand some of these followers are likely foreign.) He can skip the MSM filters, or outright ignoring some of the good things that he is doing.
I think it’s brilliant. Sometimes cringeworthy, but brilliant nonetheless.
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I used to think that, and I still cringe at a few tweets. Personally I hate Twitter.
But I now see Trump’s point. He has 47.8 MILLION followers on Twitter. That is more than the viewership of every network news and cable news outlet COMBINED for any given hour of viewership.
So from Trump’s perspective, a single tweet will hit the phones of 15% of the American population (yes I understand some of these followers are likely foreign.) He can skip the MSM filters, or outright ignoring some of the good things that he is doing.
I think it’s brilliant. Sometimes cringeworthy, but brilliant nonetheless.
It’s 59.2 million.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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It’s 59.2 million.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I stand corrected. Thanks Becky. That helps even more understanding his desire to reach Americans unfiltered and unadulterated. He can now reach one in 5 Americans at the drop of a Tweet.
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McCain was no hero...he was a rat bastard traitor to his fellow POWs. It has been known for a very long time he has covered up information on Amerian POWs even before it became public knowledge. I dont think they have yet uncovered how deep it goes. If I had a chance to piss on his grave I, along with countless others would give them three days to gather a crowd to watch.
McCain and the POW Cover-Up (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/)
Noah W
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I used to think that, and I still cringe at a few tweets. Personally I hate Twitter.
But I now see Trump’s point. He has 47.8 MILLION followers on Twitter. That is more than the viewership of every network news and cable news outlet COMBINED for any given hour of viewership.
So from Trump’s perspective, a single tweet will hit the phones of 15% of the American population (yes I understand some of these followers are likely foreign.) He can skip the MSM filters, or outright ignoring some of the good things that he is doing.
I think it’s brilliant. Sometimes cringeworthy, but brilliant nonetheless.
I never said that Twitter was not a great way to go direct to your customers. I said the president is coarse and is a bully and that costs him support no matter how he delivered his message.
I said that the president is a twitter bully and that has cost him support and success. But that happens outside of twitter too. If he had never said "yes, I hope Russia is helping me win", then Robert Mueller would have spent the last two years playing with his grandchildren. If he had never denigrated Mexicans (sometimes on twitter), then we would have stronger immigration policy and DACA would be dead. But his policies have been moderated in part because his tweets and words have been taken as proof that he is racist. If he had never talk about how horrible Muslims were, then there would have never been a court case over whether or not we needed to block terrorists coming into the country. Finally, if he had been less bombastic on twitter, then he would have had the backing of Congress to build the wall.
There are Republicans don't support him because they don't like him. I'm not just talking about Murkowski and the like, there are mainstream Republicans who can't support his policies because they don't want to support the public image he projects.
Pretty much everything he has wanted to do, he stuck his foot in his mouth and messed it up.
No, that isn't just the liberal media.
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No, that isn't just the liberal media.
Yes it is.
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I never said that Twitter was not a great way to go direct to your customers. I said the president is coarse and is a bully and that costs him support no matter how he delivered his message.
I said that the president is a twitter bully and that has cost him support and success. But that happens outside of twitter too. If he had never said "yes, I hope Russia is helping me win", then Robert Mueller would have spent the last two years playing with his grandchildren. If he had never denigrated Mexicans (sometimes on twitter), then we would have stronger immigration policy and DACA would be dead. But his policies have been moderated in part because his tweets and words have been taken as proof that he is racist. If he had never talk about how horrible Muslims were, then there would have never been a court case over whether or not we needed to block terrorists coming into the country. Finally, if he had been less bombastic on twitter, then he would have had the backing of Congress to build the wall.
There are Republicans don't support him because they don't like him. I'm not just talking about Murkowski and the like, there are mainstream Republicans who can't support his policies because they don't want to support the public image he projects.
Pretty much everything he has wanted to do, he stuck his foot in his mouth and messed it up.
No, that isn't just the liberal media.
Wow. Just like Steingar, upside down world. Where do you get this stuff? CNN?
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Wow. Just like Steingar, upside down world. Where do you get this stuff? CNN?
Fox. And Twitter.
You say that you're thrilled with his successes, but what wins have his words cost him?
Yes it is.
So you claim he never said those things? That he didn't say Mexico was sending their killers and rapists to the US? That a federal judge was biased because he was Mexican and was incapable of giving good rulings? He didn't say (a lot of) Islam hates us? He didn't say he was open to creating a government database of all Muslims in the US? And these things weren't used by judges as proof of his bias against certain groups and used to block his policies?
I mean, if he never said those things (and more), then let's get some heads rolling at CNN.
Ah, but he DID say those things. And they did cost him. Because he is a bombastic bully and a horrible politician.
THIS is what the never trumpers feared. They were right.
We still don't have a wall because the president has been ineffective at getting it funded, in part because nobody wants to support him. They're all for his policies, but how he behaves prevents the support.
The Emperor has no clothes folks.
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I like Trump's policies, and policy positions. I can look past some of his personality flaws.
The economy is doing well.
Energy prices are low and we are the #1 oil producer, and net exporter of energy.
Stock markets are doing well.
Housing markets are doing well.
Less regulatory B.S.
Attempting to secure the border.
He's a 2A proponent in an environment of ridiculousness.
Plus the Democrats, and the Media HATE HIM. So that is another positive indicator.
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I like how the economy is doing too. I'm not sure there's really a lot less regulation because the government hasn't shrunk, but I put that on a cowardly Congress, not any president.
I wish Trump had kept his mouth shut and not said/tweeted a bunch of stupid stuff that has caused him to fail in certain areas. IMO, he has derailed himself or at least given the Democrats prime ammunition to derail him.