Post by: Bob Noel on June 29, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
Will we, as a nation, ever go back? Does the gimme-gimme-gimme generation of today have the vision to look to the stars? Have we lost the will to explore?
Of the 12 men who walked on the moon, we've lost 8 of them.
Will any of us who remember Apollo 11 get to see us return to the moon or go to Mars?
Post by: TimRB on June 29, 2019, 03:41:50 PM
Tim
Post by: Anthony on June 29, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
Post by: Bob Noel on June 29, 2019, 04:02:38 PM
I'm a big fan of the space program. That said, I can think of no good reason to send manned missions to the moon. It's hugely expensive and dangerous--for the price of one manned moon flight we could probably finance several robotic journeys.
Tim
it's an old argument.
The best reason for manned missions is the exploration itself.
There is little reason to send robotic missions if we never go ourselves.
Post by: TimRB on June 29, 2019, 06:44:33 PM
There is little reason to send robotic missions if we never go ourselves.
There is little reason to go at all, but if we must, we might as well send something cheap.
Tim
Post by: Number7 on June 29, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
As we approach the 50th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission, it's been over 47 years since we've been to the moon.
Will we, as a nation, ever go back? Does the gimme-gimme-gimme generation of today have the vision to look to the stars? Have we lost the will to explore?
Of the 12 men who walked on the moon, we've lost 8 of them.
Will any of us who remember Apollo 11 get to see us return to the moon or go to Mars?
To the liberal mind there is no reason to look beyond the surface because liberalism hates the idea of personal enterprise, self reliance, strength in the face of pc bullshit and anything that smacks of rugged individualism.
The liberal mindset still often embraces the concept flat earth and mmgw. They think that individual achievement is evil and that people should always be subservient to the state.
These same mental midgets think that American taxpayers should fund free abortions for lazy stupid people and free health care for those who are perfectly capable of caring for their own health insurance.
How could anyone expect the participation trophy generation, who think that using a $1000 phone to check the balance on their welfare card would be capable of conceiving of the things that we can learn from exploring beyond the obvious? The least capable people of taking care of themselves also think we should pay attention to their opinions , or what they think about the challenges facing the country.
If these worthless twits ever served in the military they’d think a chapstick was the most important piece of equipment they could carry, but would be too lazy to buy their own and too dumb to remember to bring it.
Post by: Bob Noel on June 30, 2019, 04:59:56 AM
There is little reason to go at all, but if we must, we might as well send something cheap.
Tim
so, when you said "I'm a big fan of the space program" you were not actually a fan of the space program?
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2019, 05:09:15 AM
Post by: Anthony on June 30, 2019, 05:26:46 AM
There is only one good reason to have a strong space program: military superiority.
Well that certainly was the reason for NASA in the first place and the "space race" of the 50's, 60's and 70's. Without the competition with the USSR we would have never had to go to the Moon. Now, they only way we can get U.S. astronauts into space is on the Russian Soyuz. Ironic, isn't it?
Post by: Little Joe on June 30, 2019, 06:09:56 AM
I'm not sure if this is an argument for developing an industrial sized space program, or an argument against it.
Post by: texasag93 on June 30, 2019, 11:41:27 AM
https://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/solid-gold-asteroid-head-for-earth-world-economy-in-peril/
I'm not sure if this is an argument for developing an industrial sized space program, or an argument against it.
Go long on silver!
Post by: Bob Noel on June 30, 2019, 01:02:23 PM
Post by: bflynn on July 01, 2019, 07:19:59 AM
https://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/solid-gold-asteroid-head-for-earth-world-economy-in-peril/
I'm not sure if this is an argument for developing an industrial sized space program, or an argument against it.
It's an interesting economic question - but core economic lesson there is that it's about value, not dollars. The introduction of billions of tons of gold will not suddenly make everyone rich. What it will do is crash the price of gold. Supply + Demand=Price. The demand would go up a little, but supply will skyrocket and therefore price will crash.
So the only thing of value that changes is the value of all that other gold that we already have. I have mostly silver, so maybe I'm good.
Post by: NippleBoy on July 01, 2019, 07:41:07 PM
It's an interesting economic question - but core economic lesson there is that it's about value, not dollars. The introduction of billions of tons of gold will not suddenly make everyone rich. What it will do is crash the price of gold. Supply + Demand=Price. The demand would go up a little, but supply will skyrocket and therefore price will crash.
So the only thing of value that changes is the value of all that other gold that we already have. I have mostly silver, so maybe I'm good.
And all those people that have their retirement plans tied up in gold or gold related positions will be screwed.
Post by: Bob Noel on July 02, 2019, 03:49:04 AM
And all those people that have their retirement plans tied up in gold or gold related positions will be screwed.
sure. There won't be any warning at all when precious metals are dumped onto the market. It'll be a complete surprise.
::)
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2019, 05:46:42 AM
Post by: Username on July 02, 2019, 06:38:45 AM
sure. There won't be any warning at all when precious metals are dumped onto the market. It'll be a complete surprise.Of course the Russians are holding on to trillions of carats of diamonds and are ready to crash that market at any time.
::)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/09/18/is-the-diamond-market-about-to-collapse-over-huge-russian-find/#474474d951cf
Post by: nddons on July 02, 2019, 07:10:11 AM
Call it toxic masculinity, bravery, courage, or selflessness, we need more of it, and having a real manned space program (where our astronauts don’t have to hitch rides with our geopolitical enemies) will help get us there.
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2019, 07:42:34 AM
I think we need to go back for the sake of manhood. We are in an era where we relish no risk but demand a high reward. Other than the efforts of the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines over the last 19 years, we no longer have men and women willing to risk it all for advancing the human condition.
Call it toxic masculinity, bravery, courage, or selflessness, we need more of it, and having a real manned space program (where our astronauts don’t have to hitch rides with our geopolitical enemies) will help get us there.
Totally agree, but we're old(er). :)
The younger people of today are fine living vicariously through virtual reality, video games, getting whatever reward they get, but with NO risk, as they are sitting in their Mom's basement in front of a video screen with a bag of Doritos and a king size Mountain Dew.
They can "go to the moon" and not even have to drink Tang!
Post by: nddons on July 02, 2019, 07:52:54 AM
Totally agree, but we're old(er). :)Which means that the adults have to be adults and show these sloth children what manhood looks like, before we die off and they take the lead, God forbid.
The younger people of today are fine living vicariously through virtual reality, video games, getting a whatever reward they get, but with NO risk, as they are sitting in their Mom's basement in front of a video screen with a bag of Doritos and a king size Mountain Dew.
They can "go to the moon" and not even have to drink Tang!
Post by: Lucifer on July 02, 2019, 07:58:03 AM
Totally agree, but we're old(er). :)
The younger people of today are fine living vicariously through virtual reality, video games, getting a whatever reward they get, but with NO risk, as they are sitting in their Mom's basement in front of a video screen with a bag of Doritos and a king size Mountain Dew.
They can "go to the moon" and not even have to drink Tang!
This is one reason GA is dying. The newer generation has no inclination to go to an airport and take flying lessons as the requirements "are too hard". Instead, they can get on a computer and load up a flight sim and fly all day long with no chance of getting hurt, or having to "go by the rules".
Post by: nddons on July 02, 2019, 08:07:51 AM
This is one reason GA is dying. The newer generation has no inclination to go to an airport and take flying lessons as the requirements "are too hard". Instead, they can get on a computer and load up a flight sim and fly all day long with no chance of getting hurt, or having to "go by the rules".And drones are thought of as aircraft, and joy-stick operators are thought of as “pilots.” Who needs to risk life or limb when you can stay on the ground and still consider yourself a pilot?
Remember when RC or control line aircraft were considered toys or hobbies?
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
This is one reason GA is dying. The newer generation has no inclination to go to an airport and take flying lessons as the requirements "are too hard". Instead, they can get on a computer and load up a flight sim and fly all day long with no chance of getting hurt, or having to "go by the rules".
I know. It is really sad. I believe motorcycle sales are way down too. They don't even want manual transmission anymore. When I was a kid, if you didn't drive a stick, or at least know how to drive one, you were considered a "sissy".
Post by: Lucifer on July 02, 2019, 08:21:15 AM
And drones are thought of as aircraft, and joy-stick operators are thought of as “pilots.” Who needs to risk life or limb when you can stay on the ground and still consider yourself a pilot?
Remember when RC or control line aircraft were considered toys or hobbies?
I always thought it was amusing when the flight sim guys would come on an aviation forum and start arguing with the pilots there. ;D
I sucked at RC aircraft. Now they have RC sims for PC, so people now can even do that online.
Maybe I'll come up with a fishing program, go out on your boat and deep sea fish all online! Do it from the comfort of your lounge chair!
Post by: bflynn on July 02, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
Post by: nddons on July 02, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
Agree...I grab the popcorn when I see a post that starts out "Sim pilot here..."It’s especially fun when they get all incensed because the FARs don’t give them any ASEL hours for their Microsoft flight sim time. They think it’s totally unfair and say that they are better pilots than people who just flew planes.
Post by: NippleBoy on July 02, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
sure. There won't be any warning at all when precious metals are dumped onto the market. It'll be a complete surprise.
::)
For some. ::)