Post by: Little Joe on October 18, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
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Hillary Clinton in a new interview appeared to float a conspiracy theory that the Russians are “grooming” Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard to be a third-party candidate in 2020, while claiming 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is "also" a Russian asset.
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 18, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
Post by: azure on October 18, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
Tulsi is the only candidate they have anywhere near the center.
Yes, I agree. But she has no chance of getting the nomination.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 18, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
Yes, I agree. But she has no chance of getting the nomination.
And what does that say about the party?
Post by: azure on October 18, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
And what does that say about the party?
The Dem party wants to beat Trump. Tulsi has no chance of beating Trump and the Dems know it. I think that's all THAT shows.
Of course, the fact that Warren is doing as well as she is speaks to how far left the party has moved. But I don't think Biden is out by any means, and Biden isn't as radically progressive as Warren is.
I still think Biden is their best chance to beat Trump in 2020. Will they choose beating Trump over the lemming run toward socialism? If I'm right, they'll choose Biden. But that remains to be seen.
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 03:31:42 AM
The Dem party wants to beat Trump. Tulsi has no chance of beating Trump and the Dems know it. I think that's all THAT shows.I agree, but that talk about Tulsi being a Russian agent is just weird. Even if it is true.
Of course, the fact that Warren is doing as well as she is speaks to how far left the party has moved. But I don't think Biden is out by any means, and Biden isn't as radically progressive as Warren is.
I still think Biden is their best chance to beat Trump in 2020. Will they choose beating Trump over the lemming run toward socialism? If I'm right, they'll choose Biden. But that remains to be seen.
Post by: Bob Noel on October 19, 2019, 04:19:49 AM
I agree, but that talk about Tulsi being a Russian agent is just weird. Even if it is true.
Well, perhaps it's a way to keep talking about Russia without specifically mentioning TRUMP
More likely it's just plain insanity.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 19, 2019, 06:05:26 AM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/is-hillary-drunk-podcasting.php
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 06:26:45 AM
Gabbard has some chutzpah though. She didn’t hold back when she responded.I'm liking Tulsi more and more all the time. Besides, if she does win the primary and beats Trump, we can yell "Russia, Russia, Russia" and impeach her.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/is-hillary-drunk-podcasting.php
Karma and precedent and all that good stuff, don't you know!
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 06:51:00 AM
The Dem party wants to beat Trump. Tulsi has no chance of beating Trump and the Dems know it. I think that's all THAT shows.
Of course, the fact that Warren is doing as well as she is speaks to how far left the party has moved. But I don't think Biden is out by any means, and Biden isn't as radically progressive as Warren is.
I still think Biden is their best chance to beat Trump in 2020. Will they choose beating Trump over the lemming run toward socialism? If I'm right, they'll choose Biden. But that remains to be seen.
Biden is toast. He's never gotten very far in his last two presidential campaigns (less than 2% IIRC) and now the baggage of Ukraine and his coke head son definitely isn't helping. Plus mentally, Joe's just not there (and never has been for that matter).
Fact is no one in the clown car is generating any excitement, and none of them have a message that's resonating. This is why we keep hearing from Hillary, who is hoping the dims will come and beg her to jump in and run to "save the party". That's not happening either.
The control of the DNC is squarely with the radical progressives, and that's a huge problem.
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2019, 06:54:33 AM
Biden is toast. He's never gotten very far in his last two presidential campaigns (less than 2% IIRC) and now the baggage of Ukraine and his coke head son definitely isn't helping. Plus mentally, Joe's just not there (and never has been for that matter).
Fact is no one in the clown car is generating any excitement, and none of them have a message that's resonating. This is why we keep hearing from Hillary, who is hoping the dims will come and beg her to jump in and run to "save the party". That's not happening either.
The control of the DNC is squarely with the radical progressives, and that's a huge problem.
Yet the radical progressives have a lot of support in this country due to the Media, Social Media, and Education. They are normalizing the Woke, PC, SJW, socialist culture. I fear we are fighting a losing, uphill battle. However, I don't see the Democrats winning this one, but they are in it long term, and after Trump may succeed in Fundamental Transformation.
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 07:02:34 AM
Yet the radical progressives have a lot of support in this country due to the Media, Social Media, and Education. They are normalizing the Woke, PC, SJW, socialist culture. I fear we are fighting a losing, uphill battle. However, I don't see the Democrats winning this one, but they are in it long term, and after Trump may succeed in Fundamental Transformation.
The problem is this: The radical progressives aren't really that large of a group within the DNC. But they are the loudest and they get 100% coverage by their propaganda arm in the MSM. If the MSM didn't play up to them 24/7, then they would just be in the fringe.
But the MSM is all in for the radicals, and there is zero chance for a moderate democrat to emerge or even if one does, to get very far. Consider this, even Bernie is not radical enough for them now. Let that sink in.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 19, 2019, 07:04:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 07:19:55 AM
I wouldn’t underestimate independents and moderate Dems. They could rise and demand an iconoclast, like the deplorables did.
They could, but it won't happen. Remember, without media support, they will get nowhere. The MSM is firmly on the side of the radicals now. Example, just look at how the MSM is treating Gabbard. I don't consider her a moderate, but she frightens the DNC and the radicals.
Buttigieg is a MSM darling. But he also aligns with the radical progressives. His father was a full blown Marxist academic, and Pete grew up in that ideology. He still can't form a message that will get him any traction in a national election.
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2019, 07:31:42 AM
The problem is this: The radical progressives aren't really that large of a group within the DNC. But they are the loudest and they get 100% coverage by their propaganda arm in the MSM. If the MSM didn't play up to them 24/7, then they would just be in the fringe.
But the MSM is all in for the radicals, and there is zero chance for a moderate democrat to emerge or even if one does, to get very far. Consider this, even Bernie is not radical enough for them now. Let that sink in.
Agree to an extent, but I think the radicals have taken over, and are making it the mainstream Democrat platform with more people embracing the Far Left as they are getting indoctrinated daily from Media, Entertainment, Social Media and Education.
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 07:33:27 AM
Agree to an extent, but I think the radicals have taken over, and are making it the mainstream Democrat platform with more people embracing the Far Left as they are getting indoctrinated daily from Media, Entertainment, Social Media and Education.
No doubt. Social media has accelerated this, and big tech has as well.
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 07:43:00 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 19, 2019, 08:09:47 AM
Check out the data this guy got from the Dallas Rally......21% were Democrats.
Post by: Rush on October 19, 2019, 09:25:55 AM
https://www.facebook.com/bradparscale/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBnAIrU7kHXu82MiGOu2_6Ov86wtaE-slJfR9QFMGKqZeubWaNP-ggEdzsvJ2M96dJD5a9ZFA9XXQIy
Check out the data this guy got from the Dallas Rally......21% were Democrats.
Wow. I watched part of Trump’s speech and I’m flabbergasted. He almost weaves a magic spell over people. He says incredibly outrageous things. I can understand people wanting him to act more “presidential”. I’m not saying I disagree with the outrageous things he says, just that I recognize his communication style is extremely unusual. It both attracts and repels. It looks very much like the charismatic charm of the narcissist.
And I’ve said before I think it’s very possible he’s a narcissist but contrary to popular belief, being a narcissist doesn’t necessarily mean you are evil, and it certainly doesn’t necessarily mean you are wrong in all your acts and opinions. ALL of us are narcissistic to a degree. Those with more of it than most often do tend to become successful and powerful. There is a very strong argument that Mother Teresa was a narcissist. If she was, she was the type called “communal narcissist” or one who gathers their validation and narcissistic supply from doing good acts for which they receive praise and attention.
As long as Trump’s actions continue to benefit the U.S. economy, I’ll support him. It’s very satisfying watching him brilliantly play his enemies because here’s the thing: his enemies are my enemies.
And besides, if Trump is a narcissist, so are most of his enemies.
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 10:36:15 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 10:44:48 AM
Who but a narcissist would go into politics?
Because we don’t term limit politicians (except for President and governors), we have a whole class of imbedded politicians. No longer do we have average citizens representing their states or communities.
Post by: Old Crow on October 19, 2019, 11:27:20 AM
As long as Trump’s actions continue to benefit the U.S. economy, I’ll support him. It’s very satisfying watching him brilliantly play his enemies because here’s the thing: his enemies are my enemies.And that is how he understands them and knows their weaknesses and I believe he loves a good scrap. There are times I think he is having the time of his life.
And besides, if Trump is a narcissist, so are most of his enemies.
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
Because we don’t term limit politicians (except for President and governors), we have a whole class of imbedded politicians. No longer do we have average citizens representing their states or communities.And every one of them are power crazed narcissists.
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2019, 12:43:49 PM
And every one of them are power crazed narcissists.
Career politicians have become the new ROYALTY. We need term limits and we need to take away the incentives that keep these politicians in office. There should be no book deals, speaking fees, insider trading, and other schemes that make them rich while in office. Also, once they leave office, a five year moratorium on lobbying.
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2019, 08:13:01 AM
The Dem party wants to beat Trump. Tulsi has no chance of beating Trump and the Dems know it. I think that's all THAT shows.
Of course, the fact that Warren is doing as well as she is speaks to how far left the party has moved. But I don't think Biden is out by any means, and Biden isn't as radically progressive as Warren is.
I still think Biden is their best chance to beat Trump in 2020. Will they choose beating Trump over the lemming run toward socialism? If I'm right, they'll choose Biden. But that remains to be seen.
If Warren gets the Nomination, I guarantee you she will pick a Woman VP. She knows an "all woman" ticket would be Earth shaking and be extraordinarily hard to beat. Gabbard makes perfect sense as she gives Warren and the Dems critical credibility with many Independents and Moderates. Also, Gabbard would use her Veteran status as a club on the President and VP, neither of whom served. It’s the only potential nightmare scenario for the GOP that I can think of. Frankly no matter who wins the Dem Primary, man or woman, I believe Gabbard will be the VP.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 20, 2019, 09:03:24 AM
If Warren gets the Nomination, I guarantee you she will pick a Woman VP. She knows an "all woman" ticket would be Earth shaking and be extraordinarily hard to beat. Gabbard makes perfect sense as she gives Warren and the Dems critical credibility with many Independents and Moderates. Also, Gabbard would use her Veteran status as a club on the President and VP, neither of whom served. It’s the only potential nightmare scenario for the GOP that I can think of. Frankly no matter who wins the Dem Primary, man or woman, I believe Gabbard will be the VP.Gabbard has set herself apart from the general leftist lemming pack, though. I suspect there will be copycatting of Trump’s blustery frankness, by all the candidates, because it’s effective. I mean, at the rally in Minneapolis, Trump said that the only thing Joe Biden was capable of was kissing Barack Obama’s ass. I kid you not.
Post by: texasag93 on October 20, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
Wow. I watched part of Trump’s speech and I’m flabbergasted. He almost weaves a magic spell over people. He says incredibly outrageous things. I can understand people wanting him to act more “presidential”. I’m not saying I disagree with the outrageous things he says, just that I recognize his communication style is extremely unusual. It both attracts and repels. It looks very much like the charismatic charm of the narcissist.
And I’ve said before I think it’s very possible he’s a narcissist but contrary to popular belief, being a narcissist doesn’t necessarily mean you are evil, and it certainly doesn’t necessarily mean you are wrong in all your acts and opinions. ALL of us are narcissistic to a degree. Those with more of it than most often do tend to become successful and powerful. There is a very strong argument that Mother Teresa was a narcissist. If she was, she was the type called “communal narcissist” or one who gathers their validation and narcissistic supply from doing good acts for which they receive praise and attention.
As long as Trump’s actions continue to benefit the U.S.economy, I’ll support him. It’s very satisfying watching him brilliantly play his enemies because here’s the thing: his enemies are my enemies.
And besides, if Trump is a narcissist, so are most of his enemies.
He is doing great things in more than just the economy.
Post by: Anthony on October 20, 2019, 09:23:26 AM
Leftists can't hang here, because we call them out on their crap, and there are no Affirmative Action for Leftist moderators.
Post by: Rush on October 20, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
He is doing great things in more than just the economy.
Yes he is, but the economy what I care about. If he stops doing good things for the economy, no matter what else he does, I might stop supporting him.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 24, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
I guarantee you will smile.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/british-accented-donald-trump-is-the-best-thing-youll-hear-all-day/
Post by: nddons on October 24, 2019, 07:17:32 AM
Amazing how sophisticated Trump sounds when you change his accent. Here he is expounding on Hillary Clinton in the 2016 race.That’s awesome!
I guarantee you will smile.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/british-accented-donald-trump-is-the-best-thing-youll-hear-all-day/
Post by: Rush on October 24, 2019, 07:24:51 AM
Suppose there were identical twins running for president. Exact same position on all issues, but the only difference is one talks with a British accent and the other with a hillbilly or Deep South drawl. Which will win? The Brit of course. Americans have been conditioned by the entertainment industry to believe hillbillies are ignorant inbreds, and southerners are narrow minded, racist religious fanatics.
Unfortunately this is less true today than in the past because nowadays the mainstream media is far too biased, so the uninformed are automatically pushed Democrat. But let’s say the news was actually unbiased. All else equal, the taller candidate has an advantage. The better looking candidate has an advantage. Possibly the male still has an advantage and the white may have an advantage over a person of color. People vote largely how their subconscious directs them to.
Have you ever been at the booth and confronted a race about which you had failed to do your homework? A local race where the party affiliation is not mentioned plus you have no clue what their positions are on the issues and you have never even heard of either candidate? You know nothing at all about them except their name. What do you do? The choice is, leave it blank, vote based on name alone, or, research has shown, more people than not just vote for the first name on the list.
Post by: nddons on October 24, 2019, 07:41:39 AM
Here’s my theory: the election is won on superficial appeal, nothing else. This is because the dedicated right and left know their ideology. It’s the swing vote in the middle that will throw the numbers one way or the other, and many swing voters don’t know ideology from a hole in the ground nor are they well informed on issues.My dad taught me that if I wasn’t sure about a race, vote for the person with the Polish name.
Suppose there were identical twins running for president. Exact same position on all issues, but the only difference is one talks with a British accent and the other with a hillbilly or Deep South drawl. Which will win? The Brit of course. Americans have been conditioned by the entertainment industry to believe hillbillies are ignorant inbreds, and southerners are narrow minded, racist religious fanatics.
Unfortunately this is less true today than in the past because nowadays the mainstream media is far too biased, so the uninformed are automatically pushed Democrat. But let’s say the news was actually unbiased. All else equal, the taller candidate has an advantage. The better looking candidate has an advantage. Possibly the male still has an advantage and the white may have an advantage over a person of color. People vote largely how their subconscious directs them to.
Have you ever been at the booth and confronted a race about which you had failed to do your homework? A local race where the party affiliation is not mentioned plus you have no clue what their positions are on the issues and you have never even heard of either candidate? You know nothing at all about them except their name. What do you do? The choice is, leave it blank, vote based on name alone, or, research has shown, more people than not just vote for the first name on the list.
Now here in Wisconsin we have a tool that will hopefully never die. When the leftists voted to recall Scott Walker, they had to get xxx,xxx number of people to sign a recall petition. Those who signed presumed that their signature was private. It was not.
Conservatives banded together to memorialize those signatures. I was one of those people. Now, when I get a judge or a school board member that I haven’t heard about, I can look them up before I vote to see if they signed the recall petition.
http://iverifytherecall.com/
You can have fun with this. Jeffrey Skiles of Miracle on the Hudson fame signed it. The database will link back to the original signature on the petition. Good stuff.
Post by: Rush on October 24, 2019, 08:09:03 AM
My dad taught me that if I wasn’t sure about a race, vote for the person with the Polish name.
Now here in Wisconsin we have a tool that will hopefully never die. When the leftists voted to recall Scott Walker, they had to get xxx,xxx number of people to sign a recall petition. Those who signed presumed that their signature was private. It was not.
Conservatives banded together to memorialize those signatures. I was one of those people. Now, when I get a judge or a school board member that I haven’t heard about, I can look them up before I vote to see if they signed the recall petition.
http://iverifytherecall.com/
You can have fun with this. Jeffrey Skiles of Miracle on the Hudson fame signed it. The database will link back to the original signature on the petition. Good stuff.
Wow, that’s amazing.
In races I didn’t know who is whom if there is a male and a female name I’ve voted for the male on the theory that females are statistically more likely to be liberal. But I’m not comfortable with that either, usually I left it blank. I always hated not knowing so I learned to get the ballot early and do my research, even mark it all up and bring it as a cheat sheet.
Post by: bflynn on October 24, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
Here’s my theory: the election is won on superficial appeal, nothing else. This is because the dedicated right and left know their ideology. It’s the swing vote in the middle that will throw the numbers one way or the other, and many swing voters don’t know ideology from a hole in the ground nor are they well informed on issues.
I think there's two things that affect races the most - partisan fervor and the moderate swing vote. If a moderate doesn't know anything, then they're voting randomly and not part of the swing. But there is certainly a portion of moderate voters who are well informed enough to swing left or right and influence the vote.
In the upcoming 2020 election, I believe Trump's use of his twitter account + the media propaganda will ensure high turnout on the left, just because the name on the right is Trump. Republicans ... and America ... would do much better if Trump had made himself a one term president and there was an open Republican primary.
Post by: Lucifer on October 27, 2019, 06:18:39 PM
Post by: Rush on October 27, 2019, 06:38:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 27, 2019, 06:42:59 PM
I came across an article that said candidates with the lower (deeper, not quieter) voice win elections. I suppose it meant between two male candidates because it was talking about how voice pitch is a sign of dominance in males (lower is more dominant, stronger, bigger, etc.) but maybe it worked for Trump vs Hillary too.
Hillary could have been a baritone, and she still would have lost.
First rule of winning an election: Campaign!
Post by: Lucifer on October 27, 2019, 07:32:17 PM
I came across an article that said candidates with the lower (deeper, not quieter) voice win elections. I suppose it meant between two male candidates because it was talking about how voice pitch is a sign of dominance in males (lower is more dominant, stronger, bigger, etc.) but maybe it worked for Trump vs Hillary too.
Personally I find Hillary's voice to be annoying.
Post by: jb1842 on October 27, 2019, 07:40:37 PM
Personally I find Hillary's voice to be annoying.
Just her voice? You must like her.
Post by: Anthony on October 27, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
Post by: nddons on October 28, 2019, 02:09:38 PM
I came across an article that said candidates with the lower (deeper, not quieter) voice win elections. I suppose it meant between two male candidates because it was talking about how voice pitch is a sign of dominance in males (lower is more dominant, stronger, bigger, etc.) but maybe it worked for Trump vs Hillary too.Tulsi Gabbard has a deeper voice than Hillary. I would listen to her any day of the week vs the shrill shrew’s voice.
Post by: You Only Live Twice on October 29, 2019, 06:33:52 AM
Tulsi Gabbard has a deeper voice than Hillary. I would listen to her any day of the week vs the shrill shrew’s voice.
She's pretty easy on the eye as well. IMO.
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2019, 06:37:09 AM
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2019, 06:48:43 AM
Tulsi is positioning herself for a VP slot on the dem ticket for 2020.Agreed, and that is very dangerous for Trump. That is about the only thing I’m really worried about in the 2020 election. Well, in addition to mainstream Republicans (meaning NOT Trump) once again somehow snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2019, 07:00:40 AM
Agreed, and that is very dangerous for Trump. That is about the only thing I’m really worried about in the 2020 election. Well, in addition to mainstream Republicans (meaning NOT Trump) once again somehow snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
People don't vote for VP candidates.
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2019, 07:02:58 AM
Agreed, and that is very dangerous for Trump. That is about the only thing I’m really worried about in the 2020 election. Well, in addition to mainstream Republicans (meaning NOT Trump) once again somehow snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Tulsi's problem is she's not progressive enough, and the leftist loons that control the DNC will not want her.
Trump has a very strong base, and as the dims continue down the road of their lunacy in congress, more moderates will quietly move over into the trump camp.
Pelosi, Schiff and Schumer will assure Trump's re-election at the rate they are going.
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2019, 07:39:19 AM
People don't vote for VP candidates.I think with Trump and the current state of the lunatic left, we can throw out the normal calculus of how people vote.
While I think it is a shrinking middle after seeing the Trump wins over 3 years, there will still be a sizable squishy middle that is turned off by Trump, but scared as hell by lunatic socialist candidates.
Those people might think “You know, Bernie is bat-shit crazy, but with his heart attack he won’t live though his first term. But that Tulsi chick is smoking hot, she’s in the military, and doesn’t seem bat-shit crazy.”
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
I think with Trump and the current state of the lunatic left, we can throw out the normal calculus of how people vote.
While I think it is a shrinking middle after seeing the Trump wins over 3 years, there will still be a sizable squishy middle that is turned off by Trump, but scared as hell by lunatic socialist candidates.
Those people might think “You know, Bernie is bat-shit crazy, but with his heart attack he won’t live though his first term. But that Tulsi chick is smoking hot, she’s in the military, and doesn’t seem bat-shit crazy.”
I agree we are operating under a different paradigm, but if you look at Tulsi's actual policy positions, they are still Far, Far Left including extreme positions on Illegal Aliens and guns. She only scares me as a Presidential candidate, not so much as VP, but yes, it brings higher risk due to your points.
Post by: jb1842 on October 29, 2019, 07:56:02 AM
People don't vote for VP candidates.
For her they will. That way they can set her up so she can slide right into the nomination for president.
Post by: Username on October 29, 2019, 08:46:31 AM
Those people might think “You know, Bernie is bat-shit crazy, but with his heart attack he won’t live though his first term. But that Tulsi chick is smoking hot, she’s in the military, and doesn’t seem bat-shit crazy.”Her workout videos are not bad at all. I have no idea what she stands for, but she's fun to watch. She should stay out of politics. Look what it did to Hillary and Warren.
Post by: Mase on October 29, 2019, 09:41:37 AM
People don't vote for VP candidates.
Well, they sure didn't vote for Sarah Palin.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 29, 2019, 10:15:06 AM
Her workout videos are not bad at all. I have no idea what she stands for, but she's fun to watch. She should stay out of politics. Look what it did to Hillary and Warren.In a way she has, she is not running for re-election.
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2019, 10:16:24 AM
Well, they sure didn't vote for Sarah Palin.Actually, Sarah Palin was a game changer for McCain. His campaign was dead in the water before home chose her. She lit the Convention in Fire.
Sadly, McCain snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by suspending his campaign to work on the financial crisis, while Obama capitalized on that weakness.
Post by: You Only Live Twice on October 29, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
Actually, Sarah Palin was a game changer for McCain. His campaign was dead in the water before home chose her. She lit the Convention in Fire.
Sadly, McCain snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by suspending his campaign to work on the financial crisis, while Obama capitalized on that weakness.
yep.
Post by: Little Joe on October 30, 2019, 03:59:17 AM
Well, they sure didn't vote for Sarah Palin.Most people didn’t vote FOR her, but I know some people that voted AGAINST her.
Post by: Rush on October 30, 2019, 04:22:55 AM
Most people didn’t vote FOR her, but I know some people that voted AGAINST her.
I’ll never forgive the media for what they did to Palin.