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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 19, 2016, 04:24:56 PM

Title: Shadowbanning
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 19, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
So my stepson was telling me that Twitter was caught "shadowbanning" posts from people whose political views they did not share.  I guess this happens on other media as well.  There have been a few articles examining the possibility that Google could influence the election. 

I guess this is because information has to pass through something to get from A to B, so the pass-through controls it.

I'm mad.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 19, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
 Unfortunately this is known in my community that Twitter selectively deletes post that it finds disfavorable. Facebook does the same. I have witnessed this.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: JeffDG on February 19, 2016, 08:17:51 PM
Both FB and Twitter are private companies and are free to do as they wish with their platforms.


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Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 19, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
No argument. I guess I am still a pure geek at heart.

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Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: WildEye on February 20, 2016, 12:28:52 AM
So my stepson was telling me that Twitter was caught "shadowbanning" posts from people whose political views they did not share.  I guess this happens on other media as well.  There have been a few articles examining the possibility that Google could influence the election. 

I guess this is because information has to pass through something to get from A to B, so the pass-through controls it.

I'm mad.

But it anyone actually stopped and read the T&C's before pushing the "I agree/Accept" button, they would know that several social media sites clearly indicate that they can remove content at any time - so why the shock that this is happening ?
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 20, 2016, 07:27:02 AM
Because it's was the first real chance (with Twitter) the world could make and have a true crowd sourced news source. We can really see what people are seeing and thinking and what's happening all over the globe. It represented hope that in the Information Age, humanity could finally come together to see something bigger than our own personal boundary layer.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 20, 2016, 07:30:10 AM

Because it's was the first real chance (with Twitter) the world could make and have a true crowd sourced news source. We can really see what people are seeing and thinking and what's happening all over the globe. It represented hope that in the Information Age, humanity could finally come together to see something bigger than our own personal boundary layer.

So it's important to me when someone has to announce to the world that they are taking a dump?  #burnamule
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 21, 2016, 12:10:46 AM
So it's important to me when someone has to announce to the world that they are taking a dump?  #burnamule
with enough filters you can find what interest you only. But interesting example
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Johnh on February 21, 2016, 06:31:31 AM
But it anyone actually stopped and read the T&C's before pushing the "I agree/Accept" button, they would know that several social media sites clearly indicate that they can remove content at any time - so why the shock that this is happening ?
Of course you are right.  We should all read all the T&Cs.
But if we did, then many of us would not agree.  That is why they make the T&Cs so long and incomprehensible.  They know nobody will read them.  And there are experts to help hide the nasty stuff inside a ton of boilerplate.

I would rather see a T&C that says something like this:
I agree that by using this application, I give up all my rights to  privacy and to any concept of ownership of thought.
  <agree>  <exit>

When I agree, that is pretty much what I assume I am agreeing to.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Dav8or on February 21, 2016, 10:06:30 AM
Because it's was the first real chance (with Twitter) the world could make and have a true crowd sourced news source. We can really see what people are seeing and thinking and what's happening all over the globe. It represented hope that in the Information Age, humanity could finally come together to see something bigger than our own personal boundary layer.

Yes and all the Silicon Vally hucksters that run these companies like Tim Cook, will stamp their feet and scream from the highest mountain about internet privacy, and no government intervention or censorship of the internet, but if they want to censor you, or invade your privacy for their own profit, they reserve that right.  ::)

Hypocrisy is everywhere in America. It's what we do.

I am surprised that their aren't more non profit foundations to set up internet communications services like Twitter, Facebook and Google who's sole purpose it to provide a free service without any censorship, privacy invasion and data mining. Maybe it's just not possible.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 21, 2016, 11:39:06 AM
Not possible because you gotta keep the lights on.
There are many things that got started from altruism. FB and eBay immediately come to mind.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Dav8or on February 21, 2016, 05:49:16 PM
Not possible because you gotta keep the lights on.
There are many things that got started from altruism. FB and eBay immediately come to mind.

I don't see why it's not possible, the non profits could still sell advertising to cover the costs. The point is that they don't make a great big profit and they don't have an IPO. Just do it for the good of the people and forget becoming billionaires off it.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2016, 05:58:02 PM

I don't see why it's not possible, the non profits could still sell advertising to cover the costs. The point is that they don't make a great big profit and they don't have an IPO. Just do it for the good of the people and forget becoming billionaires off it.

Would YOU give away your intellectual property for free?
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 21, 2016, 06:56:50 PM
Would YOU give away your intellectual property for free?
there it is!
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
there it is!

Would YOU?
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2016, 09:49:38 PM
there it is!

There it is what?  Capitalism?  Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 22, 2016, 09:04:03 AM
I don't think anyone would develop something and then dismiss the opportunity to monetize it...well there may be a few, but they're far in between.
 
I think it's possible to do good in the world and make profit simultaneously.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Bob Noel on February 22, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
I don't think anyone would develop something and then dismiss the opportunity to monetize it...well there may be a few, but they're far in between.
 

what about all the people developing open source software?

Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 22, 2016, 09:41:05 AM
what about all the people developing open source software?
I didn't consider them when I wrote the above.  The question is: why do they do it?  Linus Torvalds comes to mind as someone who embraced writing code for the sake of making a contribution to the world without a profit motive.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Bob Noel on February 22, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
I didn't consider them when I wrote the above.  The question is: why do they do it?  Linus Torvalds comes to mind as someone who embraced writing code for the sake of making a contribution to the world without a profit motive.

and my point was a rebuttal to your claim that few people create/produce something useful without a profit motive.

Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 22, 2016, 10:03:12 AM
Any idea what the stats are?
How many of the Open Source code writers are gainfully employed in the Software Development industry?  I'd guess that it's a very high number.  Likely their Open projects are side projects with a ton of IP issues and infractions that they are probably not even aware of.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: asechrest on February 22, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
Any idea what the stats are?
How many of the Open Source code writers are gainfully employed in the Software Development industry?  I'd guess that it's a very high number.  Likely their Open projects are side projects with a ton of IP issues and infractions that they are probably not even aware of.

Linux?  :)
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: Dav8or on February 23, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
A non profit organization doesn't mean you have to work for free either. You could be paid the same salary that Google, or Apple pays. The difference would be that the purpose of the company would be to provide a service that is benefit to mankind and not just to get as rich as possible and take over the world or something. It also wouldn't just be a scheme to sell shares in the company so that other people could get rich off of it.

But that's the thing about this. Folks like Tim Cook in Silicone Valley scream and shout about internet privacy free from government prying and meddling and talk a good game about doing good and making the world a better place, but few are serious enough about it to actually make these ideals a reality. In the end they are just like everybody else and just want to make a bunch of money and if that means people's data gets bought and sold, so be it. Basically, they don't want the government to compete with their data mining schemes.
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 23, 2016, 08:32:21 AM

A non profit organization doesn't mean you have to work for free either. You could be paid the same salary that Google, or Apple pays. The difference would be that the purpose of the company would be to provide a service that is benefit to mankind and not just to get as rich as possible and take over the world or something. It also wouldn't just be a scheme to sell shares in the company so that other people could get rich off of it.

But that's the thing about this. Folks like Tim Cook in Silicone Valley scream and shout about internet privacy free from government prying and meddling and talk a good game about doing good and making the world a better place, but few are serious enough about it to actually make these ideals a reality. In the end they are just like everybody else and just want to make a bunch of money and if that means people's data gets bought and sold, so be it. Basically, they don't want the government to compete with their data mining schemes.

I'll ask you once again. Would you give your intellectual property away for free? 

It's one thing to work for a salary. It's another thing to have the idea of the next great patentable product, and then letting some entity (your non-profit for example) use it in exchange for you simply working for them.

So, would you give it away, you know, to make the world a better place and all? 
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: nddons on February 23, 2016, 08:34:15 AM

A non profit organization doesn't mean you have to work for free either. You could be paid the same salary that Google, or Apple pays. The difference would be that the purpose of the company would be to provide a service that is benefit to mankind and not just to get as rich as possible and take over the world or something. It also wouldn't just be a scheme to sell shares in the company so that other people could get rich off of it.

But that's the thing about this. Folks like Tim Cook in Silicone Valley scream and shout about internet privacy free from government prying and meddling and talk a good game about doing good and making the world a better place, but few are serious enough about it to actually make these ideals a reality. In the end they are just like everybody else and just want to make a bunch of money and if that means people's data gets bought and sold, so be it. Basically, they don't want the government to compete with their data mining schemes.

Also, who would fund the research for your non-profit?  How could they pay those thousands of employees working to develop "the next" great breakthrough in that technology?  Where would that capital come from?
Title: Re: Shadowbanning
Post by: DJTorrente on February 23, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
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David Burge ‎@iowahawkblog 11:12 AM - 20 Feb 2016

Twitter is a private firm & perfectly free to ban/shadowban me or anyone else. It's not like I'm asking them to bake me a gay wedding cake.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/701077040238194688