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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on February 24, 2016, 07:45:25 AM

Title: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2016, 07:45:25 AM
This interesting article makes an argument for a different way to get rid of the terrorists at Gitmo.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431807/guantanamo-bay-detainees-why-not-shoot-them
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Bob Noel on February 24, 2016, 08:12:11 AM
This interesting article makes an argument for a different way to get rid of the terrorists at Gitmo.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431807/guantanamo-bay-detainees-why-not-shoot-them

Why?  Because that is what the pond scum terrorist crap do.

Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 24, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
While there are some bad guys there, not all of the "residents" are bad guys. Some were totally innocent and wrong place/time and others are there because they are political prisoners who their home countries were paid to fill a slot. This is all verifiable.

It would be morally unjust to kill them all.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Dav8or on February 24, 2016, 09:16:53 AM
While there are some bad guys there, not all of the "residents" are bad guys. Some were totally innocent and wrong place/time and others are there because they are political prisoners who their home countries were paid to fill a slot. This is all verifiable.

All on the internet I suppose.  ::)  I'm sure the internet also will "verify" that everyone there is a murdering animal if you look for it.

All I know is when we release them, they seem to turn back up. Their actions when set free don't paint the picture of innocent men.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/23/former-gitmo-detainee-busted-in-raid-on-isis-cell-in-spain/ (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/23/former-gitmo-detainee-busted-in-raid-on-isis-cell-in-spain/)

and aslo-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660299/Former-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-10-jihadists-arrested-Spain.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660299/Former-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-10-jihadists-arrested-Spain.html)
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Bob Noel on February 24, 2016, 09:29:03 AM
All on the internet I suppose.  ::)  I'm sure the internet also will "verify" that everyone there is a murdering animal if you look for it.

All I know is when we release them, they seem to turn back up. Their actions when set free don't paint the picture of innocent men.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/23/former-gitmo-detainee-busted-in-raid-on-isis-cell-in-spain/ (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/23/former-gitmo-detainee-busted-in-raid-on-isis-cell-in-spain/)

and aslo-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660299/Former-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-10-jihadists-arrested-Spain.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660299/Former-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-10-jihadists-arrested-Spain.html)

you don't understand.  The USA is to blame because the USA turned them into murderous evil by incarcerating them at Gitmo in the first place.

(that's sarcasm folks)
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 24, 2016, 09:54:08 AM
Dave- SCOTUS validated this in several cases against GWB.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Mase on February 24, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
I think Obama's end game is to return Gitmo to Cuba.  That would be consistent with everything else he has done.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Little Joe on February 24, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
Dave- SCOTUS validated this in several cases against GWB.
There probably a few "innocent" victims of circumstance.  But in the past few years, most of them have been moved or released.  The ones that remain are the hard-cores.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: You Only Live Twice on February 24, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
While there are some bad guys there, not all of the "residents" are bad guys. Some were totally innocent and wrong place/time and others are there because they are political prisoners who their home countries were paid to fill a slot. This is all verifiable.

It would be morally unjust to kill them all.

If the situation was reversed there would be no hesitation.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 24, 2016, 11:34:31 AM
If the situation was reversed there would be no hesitation.
It matters not. Give up the high moral ground at your own peril.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: FastEddieB on February 24, 2016, 12:50:38 PM
The ones that remain are the hard-cores.

And we know this how?

Given the reluctance of many here to take what the government says at face value on anything, I wonder why we assume what they're saying here is 100% certain and beyond doubt.

Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: You Only Live Twice on February 24, 2016, 02:21:08 PM
It matters not. Give up the high moral ground at your own peril.

The jihadis don't give a crap about someone else's "moral high ground".
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Bob Noel on February 24, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
The jihadis don't give a crap about someone else's "moral high ground".

But I, for one, do care about morality.

Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: JeffDG on February 24, 2016, 07:40:58 PM
Stick 'em in "Down with Castro" T-shirts and toss 'em on the other side of the fence.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Dav8or on February 24, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
It matters not. Give up the high moral ground at your own peril.

Agreed. If you wish to have every US soldier captured anywhere in the world in the future summarily executed with no chance for trade, or rescue, go ahead, shoot them all.

Oh yeah, we would also be just as shitty as they are.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Dav8or on February 24, 2016, 10:08:29 PM
Stick 'em in "Down with Castro" T-shirts and toss 'em on the other side of the fence.

Sorry, that would only get them thousands of volunteers to help them escape to America. Not a good plan.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: gerhardt on February 25, 2016, 09:26:58 AM
Sorry, that would only get them thousands of volunteers to help them escape to America. Not a good plan.

Now that there's just funny.   ;D
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Johnh on February 25, 2016, 11:11:33 AM
Agreed. If you wish to have every US soldier captured anywhere in the world in the future summarily executed with no chance for trade, or rescue, go ahead, shoot them all.

Oh yeah, we would also be just as shitty as they are.
OK, at least I can understand the "moral high ground" argument.
But this argument is admitting that we are afraid of them and we are allowing them to control us through that fear.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 25, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
John can you explain further what you mean by we are afraid?
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Dav8or on February 25, 2016, 08:11:33 PM
OK, at least I can understand the "moral high ground" argument.
But this argument is admitting that we are afraid of them and we are allowing them to control us through that fear.

No. We have this exact same agreement with every other nation on earth. Are we afraid of all of them as well? No. They don't control shit. I would bet that almost every prisoner in Gitmo would rather be shot dead than live in there for life. They still believe they'll get their 72 virgins. Every day it goes on, it is agonizing for them. If you really hate these guys let them grow old and gray in there.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 26, 2016, 05:53:49 AM
No. We have this exact same agreement with every other nation on earth. Are we afraid of all of them as well? No. They don't control shit. I would bet that almost every prisoner in Gitmo would rather be shot dead than live in there for life. They still believe they'll get their 72 virgins. Every day it goes on, it is agonizing for them. If you really hate these guys let them grow old and gray in there.
I hate to break it to ya bud, but there are no 72 Virgins. Even if it were true, they're VIRGINS, which means they are to stay that way since chastisy is an Islamic virtue for men and women.

Seriously, I think it was some idiot who briefed young soldiers on "This is what your enemy thinks" that got that started.
Title: Re: So: Why Not Shoot Them?
Post by: JeffDG on February 29, 2016, 07:05:56 AM
Hey, I've had a new idea.


I'm sure Dear Leader has thought of this already.  Just turn over the Gitmo people to Dear Leader's new friend David Duke and his associates in White.  Maybe that's what Dear Leader won't say anything bad about Duke and Co...he needs them for his future plans.