Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 05:53:15 PM
OK, so not so long ago, we listened while the left screamed "All women need to be heard!", and that 30+ year old allegations MUST be investigated.
Something tells me this won't see the light of day.
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
Post by: Username on April 11, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2020, 06:45:03 PM
Post by: Little Joe on April 12, 2020, 05:41:15 AM
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
When allegations like this are made, they should be investigated. If they proven false the plaintiff should be prosecuted to the fullest and made to pay court and investigative costs.
Agree completely.
Unfortunately it’s very difficult to prove these things one way or the other, especially after so much time. I think that’s one reason these types of accusations are used as political weapons so often, because it is virtually impossible to prove it didn’t happen, so you can milk the allegation for a long time while whipping up public opinion against your target.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 07:28:07 AM
Agree completely.
Unfortunately it’s very difficult to prove these things one way or the other, especially after so much time. I think that’s one reason these types of accusations are used as political weapons so often, because it is virtually impossible to prove it didn’t happen, so you can milk the allegation for a long time while whipping up public opinion against your target.
Yep. And the funny part of this is it's the democrats doing this to Joe.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 07:32:55 AM
Yep. And the funny part of this is it's the democrats doing this to Joe.
I strongly suspect Bernie supporters driving this.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 07:36:23 AM
I strongly suspect Bernie supporters driving this.
That, plus the progressives running the DNC. They never wanted Biden. They used Biden to get rid of Bernie, but now that's done, they need to "hand pick" the nominee. The DNC has never wanted the public to pick their choices (and to a degree, neither does the RNC).
Biden will not be the nominee. Remember I kept saying there will be a dark horse?
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 07:37:19 AM
Post by: Little Joe on April 12, 2020, 07:38:06 AM
Agree completely.I'll rephrase my post. Rather than "if proven false", if the plaintiff fails to prove their allegations, then they should be prosecuted and charged for all court and investigative costs.
Unfortunately it’s very difficult to prove these things one way or the other, especially after so much time. I think that’s one reason these types of accusations are used as political weapons so often, because it is virtually impossible to prove it didn’t happen, so you can milk the allegation for a long time while whipping up public opinion against your target.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 07:41:45 AM
I'll rephrase my post. Rather than "if proven false", if the plaintiff fails to prove their allegations, then they should be prosecuted and charged for all court and investigative costs.
Slander and libel lawsuits. You can't just go around ruining people's reputations.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 07:45:12 AM
Slander and libel lawsuits. You can't just go around ruining people's reputations.
Unless they are public figures. Then anyone (including the media) can defame, slander and libel with impunity.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
Unless they are public figures. Then anyone (including the media) can defame, slander and libel with impunity.
Not entirely. The allegations have to be false, known to be false by the accused, and made with reckless disregard and malice; in other words, the typical daily reporting in mainstream media about conservative figures. Trump has finally had enough and is initiating lawsuits, and Hannity said recently he was going to start doing so too. I hope to see some wins.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 08:59:33 AM
Not entirely. The allegations have to be false, known to be false by the accused, and made with reckless disregard and malice; in other words, the typical daily reporting in mainstream media about conservative figures. Trump has finally had enough and is initiating lawsuits, and Hannity said recently he was going to start doing so too. I hope to see some wins.
I have personal experience with this. I was defamed in a newspaper by an elected city official because I had a lawsuit against the city. We tried to go after the city official and the paper, but couldn’t because of the public nature of my lawsuit, I was considered a “public figure”. Threading the needle in these suits is extremely difficult, hence why the media has such disregard.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 09:10:42 AM
I have personal experience with this. I was defamed in a newspaper by an elected city official because I had a lawsuit against the city. We tried to go after the city official and the paper, but couldn’t because of the public nature of my lawsuit, I was considered a “public figure”. Threading the needle in these suits is extremely difficult, hence why the media has such disregard.
I’m sure that’s true. The idea was to protect journalists who uncovered uncomfortable truths about public figures, but today journalists no longer exist in mainstream media, and the pendulum has swung way too far in the other direction, giving them carte blanche to generate propaganda.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
I have personal experience with this. I was defamed in a newspaper by an elected city official because I had a lawsuit against the city. We tried to go after the city official and the paper, but couldn’t because of the public nature of my lawsuit, I was considered a “public figure”. Threading the needle in these suits is extremely difficult, hence why the media has such disregard.
I have relatives with vowels on the end of their names for that.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2020, 10:53:57 AM
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2020, 10:59:41 AM
I have personal experience with this. I was defamed in a newspaper by an elected city official because I had a lawsuit against the city. We tried to go after the city official and the paper, but couldn’t because of the public nature of my lawsuit, I was considered a “public figure”. Threading the needle in these suits is extremely difficult, hence why the media has such disregard.Well maybe if you didn’t sue in the name of lucifer, you wouldn’t be deemed to be such a public figure.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Well maybe if you didn’t sue in the name of lucifer, you wouldn’t be deemed to be such a public figure.
Oh. Fuck! NOW YOU TELL ME!
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
Oh. Fuck! NOW YOU TELL ME!
I blame that G*d Damn Goethe and his libelous "Faust". All lies!
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2020, 07:47:06 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-endorse-biden-after-months-on-2020-campaign-sidelines
Post by: Mr Pou on April 14, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 14, 2020, 08:10:16 AM
Let the brokering begin!
I don't see Biden surviving the Convention. I believe many Democrats, especially their leadership thinks the same way.
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2020, 01:20:53 PM
Here's the sign that Biden is now toast for the nomination.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200420/816e3662f87bd6fc41fca6dd20acb945.jpg)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-endorse-biden-after-months-on-2020-campaign-sidelines
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 26, 2020, 10:55:38 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog)
That seems an immensely stupid thing to do at this point.
Post by: Lucifer on April 26, 2020, 11:07:15 AM
CNN 'Larry King' episode featuring Biden accuser's mother disappears from Google Play catalog
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog)
That seems an immensely stupid thing to do at this point.
Why? This is the dims MO. They live in the history of now. Plus they have a compliant MSM to help them cover.
Nothing to see here.....move along.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 27, 2020, 02:24:45 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4 (https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4)
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
A former neighbor of Joe Biden's accuser Tara Reade has come forward to corroborate her sexual-assault account, saying Reade discussed the allegations in detail in the mid-1990sOne thing is for certain: I will NEVER run for office.
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4 (https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4)
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
One thing is for certain: I will NEVER run for office.
Too many sexual assaults, huh? ;D
Or are you actually saying Biden is being unfairly scrutinized?
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
Too many sexual assaults, huh? ;DI think at the time it was considered flirting.
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Or are you actually saying Biden is being unfairly scrutinized?Actually, I do. Just like Gorsuch, Trump and many other politicians were unfairly scrutinized for things that (may or may not have) happened too long ago to matter now.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
I think at the time it was considered flirting.
I don't think they are even in the realm of being similar. Biden and others like Weinstein were/are accused of A LOT more than flirting. Flirting is talking and making eye contact.
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Actually, I do. Just like Gorsuch, Trump and many other politicians were unfairly scrutinized for things that (may or may not have) happened too long ago to matter now.
Biden has not been treated anything like Kavanaugh and Trump. The Media, Democrats and Feminists are IGNORING Biden's accusation.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2020, 03:54:54 PM
Actually, if true, what she describes he did is pretty awful.I guess I never really even paid attention to what the charges are. I'm just so used to people the Dems don't like having awful charges against them dredged up. And they don't like Biden any more.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2020, 04:03:17 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2020, 04:08:38 PM
Post by: Mr Pou on April 27, 2020, 05:07:43 PM
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2020, 05:30:56 PM
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
Actually, if true, what she describes he did is pretty awful.
It depends entirely on what she was doing all during it. What if it was flirty at first and he moved in for a passionate kiss and suppose she was returning the kiss? Suppose she was hugging him or other nonverbal signals that she was receptive, maybe even didn’t protest if he felt up her top half, but then he misinterpreted that as permission to go further and go for under the skirt and around the panty, and a guy can do that pretty quick. Then she panics and can’t quite believe he did that! The nerve. No guy she’d ever made out with before had done that, because maybe she’s still young and naive and only had a few awkward romantic kisses before.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally holding the media accountable for not going after Biden with this like they did Kavanaugh and I have no problem believing Biden is a creep. But I’m not necessarily going to take this woman’s word for what happened any more than any of the other #metoo accusers. It all has to rest on evidence. There is one piece of evidence she has for her that most don’t, that recording of her mother, but it is still hearsay. In reality there is no way to prove what actually happened unless it was caught on videotape.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2020, 05:45:45 PM
It depends entirely on what she was doing all during it. What if it was flirty at first and he moved in for a passionate kiss and suppose she was returning the kiss? Suppose she was hugging him or other nonverbal signals that she was receptive, maybe even didn’t protest if he felt up her top half, but then he misinterpreted that as permission to go further and go for under the skirt and around the panty, and a guy can do that pretty quick. Then she panics and can’t quite believe he did that! The nerve. No guy she’d ever made out with before had done that, because maybe she’s still young and naive and only had a few awkward romantic kisses before.KAVANAUGH! Right. I kept saying Gorsuch.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally holding the media accountable for not going after Biden with this like they did Kavanaugh and I have no problem believing Biden is a creep. But I’m not necessarily going to take this woman’s word for what happened any more than any of the other #metoo accusers. It all has to rest on evidence. There is one piece of evidence she has for her that most don’t, that recording of her mother, but it is still hearsay. In reality there is no way to prove what actually happened unless it was caught on videotape.
I agree with all you said. I'd like to think the press learned their lesson about going after someone without evidence, but we all know they only go after those with an R affiliation. I think they are very happy to let conservative outlets push this narrative for them. It gives them the ammo they need for a brokered convention.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 27, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
It depends entirely on what she was doing all during it. What if it was flirty at first and he moved in for a passionate kiss and suppose she was returning the kiss? Suppose she was hugging him or other nonverbal signals that she was receptive,[....]
Suppose. What if. Any scenario is possible if that game is played.
Wasn’t Biden married to his second wife Jill at this time? I have seen the effect flings and affairs have on the innocent spouses....
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2020, 06:10:30 AM
I guess I would be a little more worked up about this if I hadn't been fully expecting something exactly like this to happen. It is sort of like a sequel to the Gorsuch story and sequels rarely play out well. Perhaps if there is any evidence, other than hearsay, I might be more inclined to give it some credence. And I really want to give it credence. It just sounds too contrived to me.
What is happening to Biden? The MEDIA is largely IGNORING IT. No 24/7 coverage and calls for him to drop out form NBC, MSNBC (owned by Comcast and they are BACKING HIM), CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, New York Times , Washington Post, AP, etc. Where are the constant calls for him to drop out from the MEDIA?
There is no similarity to what they do to Republicans. NONE. >:(
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-2020-campaign-lobbyist-money_n_5cc111dce4b0764d31dc8586
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/comcast-executive-to-host-joe-biden-fundraiser/
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Comcast's chief lobbyist David Cohen and his wife will be hosting a fundraiser for former Vice President Joe Biden Thursday, on the day he is expected to announce his third candidacy for the presidency.
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2020, 06:32:47 AM
What is happening to Biden? The MEDIA is largely IGNORING IT. No 24/7 coverage and calls for him to drop out form NBC, MSNBC (owned by Comcast and they are BACKING HIM), CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, New York Times , Washington Post, AP, etc. Where are the constant calls for him to drop out from the MEDIA?The similarity in my mind is that somebody, somewhere found and exploited (or manufactured) a situation to take out a politician they don't like. I personally, without any evidence whatsoever, think that "somebody" is an uber rich LIBERAL individual or group with an agenda. The liberal media is merely doing what they always do.
There is no similarity to what they do to Republicans. NONE. >:(
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2020, 06:33:36 AM
The similarity in my mind is that somebody, somewhere found and exploited (or manufactured) a situation to take out a politician they don't like. I personally, without any evidence whatsoever, think that "somebody" is an uber rich LIBERAL individual or group with an agenda. The liberal media is merely doing what they always do.
Yet, no 24/7 outrage from the Media.
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2020, 06:35:11 AM
Yet, no 24/7 outrage from the Media.Yep. That IS what the liberal media always does (or in this case, doesn't do).
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2020, 06:44:41 AM
The similarity in my mind is that somebody, somewhere found and exploited (or manufactured) a situation to take out a politician they don't like. I personally, without any evidence whatsoever, think that "somebody" is an uber rich LIBERAL individual or group with an agenda. The liberal media is merely doing what they always do.
So it’s a liberal plot to get rid of Biden or at least hurt him and somehow shoehorn in whatever communist they want to put up against Trump but the liberal media didn’t get the message and now the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing.
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2020, 06:50:55 AM
So it’s a liberal plot to get rid of Biden or at least hurt him and somehow shoehorn in whatever communist they want to put up against Trump but the liberal media didn’t get the message and now the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing.No. Its not that they didn't get the message. They weren't supposed to get the message. Just the hint of a scandal can do enough force a brokered convention without the leftist media having to trash a fellow democrat.
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2020, 06:55:36 AM
So it’s a liberal plot to get rid of Biden or at least hurt him and somehow shoehorn in whatever communist they want to put up against Trump but the liberal media didn’t get the message and now the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing.
The Media has a problem. We know 98% of them are Democrat supporters and big Media like Comcast (NBC/MSNBC) are actually financially (and other ways) supporting Biden. This is nothing new. Brian Roberts, their CEO, is a long time Democrat financial bundler, is a personal, close friend of Obama, etc. These people are as thick as THIEVES.
Now, there are factions within the Democrat Party and their enablers/supporters that realize Biden is not capable of a campaign against Trump due to his mental failing. They want someone else to step in. Biden has spent the better part of 50 years in politics and politician office and has NOTHING to show for it other than occupying the offices he's held. Nothing.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
It depends entirely on what she was doing all during it. What if it was flirty at first and he moved in for a passionate kiss and suppose she was returning the kiss? Suppose she was hugging him or other nonverbal signals that she was receptive, maybe even didn’t protest if he felt up her top half, but then he misinterpreted that as permission to go further and go for under the skirt and around the panty, and a guy can do that pretty quick. Then she panics and can’t quite believe he did that! The nerve. No guy she’d ever made out with before had done that, because maybe she’s still young and naive and only had a few awkward romantic kisses before.I agree with you. If he did this, it’s very bad. But I also think the statute of limitations exists for a legitimate societal and legal purpose.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally holding the media accountable for not going after Biden with this like they did Kavanaugh and I have no problem believing Biden is a creep. But I’m not necessarily going to take this woman’s word for what happened any more than any of the other #metoo accusers. It all has to rest on evidence. There is one piece of evidence she has for her that most don’t, that recording of her mother, but it is still hearsay. In reality there is no way to prove what actually happened unless it was caught on videotape.
The real sad part about this is I naively hoped that this “me too” thing would finally take down the creeps in society.
Instead, it only took down throwaway perps like Weinstein, but once again fails to ever touch the politically favorable creeps, despite being weaponized against the politically disfavored men like Kavanaugh.
The hypocrisy of the left no longer stuns me.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2020, 07:17:55 AM
I agree with you. If he did this, it’s very bad. But I also think the statute of limitations exists for a legitimate societal and legal purpose.
The real sad part about this is I naively hoped that this “me too” thing would finally take down the creeps in society.
Instead, it only took down throwaway perps like Weinstein, but once again fails to ever touch the politically favorable creeps, despite being weaponized against the politically disfavored men like Kavanaugh.
The hypocrisy of the left no longer stuns me.
Yep. The political favorites seem to be immune to everything.