Post by: Rush on May 02, 2020, 05:31:51 AM
This is one of the things that is bothering me about “contact tracing”. When it’s confirmed - and it will be - that the survival rate is 99.6 or better, why are we spending millions of dollars to pay people to track backwards the steps of a case and violate the privacy of everyone who owns a phone in order to notify people that they might come down with it soon because they were exposed or to locate the person that infected the case? To order them to stay home for a month? That’s prolonging the economic damage. And delaying herd immunity to boot. And putting a terrible psychological burden on anyone who gave the virus to a person that dies.
Another thing that bothers me is data being collected without your knowledge or consent about who you were near. All of a sudden “the authorities” will knock on your door and confront you about the person you were having a secret affair with.
I expect next we are going to mandate people have a big red “C” tattooed on their forehead. Along with the “A” in some cases.
Post by: Lucifer on May 02, 2020, 05:50:08 AM
Does this make anyone think to themselves "Hey, this is great! I better make sure to vote democrat this fall so we can keep this going!"
Post by: bflynn on May 03, 2020, 03:46:32 AM
I get what you're saying, but it's been settled a long time ago that location data isn't your data. Just don't carry your phone if you're going someplace you don't want to be tracked to or get a metal box that to put your phone in so it can't get a GPS signal.
Search for Faraday Box, they're not at all expensive and you can probably build one from scratch.
Post by: Little Joe on May 03, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
Rush, have you been having a secret affair? I promise it will stay between all of us.No she hasn't!
And keep you mouth shut.
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2020, 06:14:17 AM
Rush, have you been having a secret affair? I promise it will stay between all of us.
Does it count if my husband and I pretend to be strangers meeting up in a bar? Wait, no that’s not a secret affair, it’s a one night stand.
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I get what you're saying, but it's been settled a long time ago that location data isn't your data. Just don't carry your phone if you're going someplace you don't want to be tracked to or get a metal box that to put your phone in so it can't get a GPS signal.
Search for Faraday Box, they're not at all expensive and you can probably build one from scratch.
Actually it’s not, or it is, depending on what you mean by “settled”. The NSA has long since forged ahead with total comprehensive surveillance of everyone’s every move, and I’m talking about U.S. citizens within the U.S. (something ostensibly verboten) plus deep analytics in ways we couldn’t even imagine twenty years ago. They not only track your movements and if those movements coincide with a known terror suspect, they look for certain behavioral patterns they consider suspicious among everyone, in other words, a warrantless search.
For example, if their analytics find any two people, random innocent civilians, who both discard their cellphones and power up new phones at the same time in the same location, it’s flagged, and those individuals become “suspect”. Now, in theory they can’t use this data (unmask the identity of those people) without getting a warrant but we have just been treated to a spectacular example of corruption and abuse turning that process against innocent American citizens for the the purpose of attacking an opposing political party.
So if by “settled” you mean they’re doing it and getting away with it, absolutely. But it is far from settled that this is not a gross violation of the Constitution. The NSA is in constant tension over the legality of what they do and it’s always being played out among the lawyers and courts. This is called “playing to the edge” (not to be confused with “edgeplay” or “edging” which are two different sex games :D) which means they endeavor to push right up to the boundary of what’s legal. You can imagine that opinions differ where exactly that line is and whether it’s been crossed.
The challenge is that terrorism from overseas now lives within our borders. The NSA was created back when the enemies were Germans and Russians and they were tapping under sea cables going outside the U.S. but now we have jihadist cells inside the U.S. that need to be tracked, so how do you do that without violating the 4th Amendment? We haven’t resolved it but it is looking like the 4th is heading toward obsolescence.
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2020, 06:30:44 AM
Rush, have you been having a secret affair? I promise it will stay between all of us.
I get what you're saying, but it's been settled a long time ago that location data isn't your data. Just don't carry your phone if you're going someplace you don't want to be tracked to or get a metal box that to put your phone in so it can't get a GPS signal.
Search for Faraday Box, they're not at all expensive and you can probably build one from scratch.
Per my post above, that doesn’t work anymore because all that does is red flag you for more attention.
Post by: Anthony on May 03, 2020, 06:47:25 AM
Per my post above, that doesn’t work anymore because all that does is red flag you for more attention.
That could be. Another tactic is to take the battery out of your phone when travelling. That is inconvenient though because you can not receive calls.
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2020, 07:34:10 AM
That could be. Another tactic is to take the battery out of your phone when travelling. That is inconvenient though because you can not receive calls.
Same problem. The AI notes that you have no signal and that flags that you’re trying to hide and brings attention to you.
And it isn’t could be, it is.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 03, 2020, 08:35:40 AM
Same problem. The AI notes that you have no signal and that flags that you’re trying to hide and brings attention to you.
And it isn’t could be, it is.
simple solution: have everyone do it.
Post by: Anthony on May 03, 2020, 08:42:01 AM
simple solution: have everyone do it.
Most people do not fear their government enough. They've been brainwashed to believe government is benevolent.
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
simple solution: have everyone do it.
That would be the solution to this stupid economic shutdown too. The problem is getting enough people to a.) understand there is a problem, b.) care enough about the problem to risk their comfort zone to do something about it and c.) KNOW that everyone else is simultaneously acting, otherwise they are risking themselves.
C is the big obstacle assuming you get past a and b. There are two ways this can happen. 1.) people communicate somehow that that’s the plan, or 2.) society experiences mass crystallization of discontent. The latter is the flashpoint that triggers spontaneous riots and revolutions. The trouble is that you need high numbers of people in significant discomfort and the suffering must be severe enough that they are willing to risk acting alone to be targeted and punished, but they don’t care anymore. If enough people reach that level of desperation simultaneously, it might work.
The problem with number 1 is as we know, we can no longer communicate. Any hint of organization to rebel is squashed as witnessed by Youtube scrubbing reopen protesters. You have to resort to the dark web through TOR browser where, again, behavioral analytics kick in and you are playing cat and mouse with the NSA (and all their clients: FBI, DEA, etc.)
And the problem with number 2 is people will not reach this flashpoint as long as they are comfortable. As long as they have food and can stream Netflix, it seems nobody cares that the first, second and fourth amendments have just been summarily trashed.
And as for location tracking, nobody cares until it happens to you; you, an innocent, are hurt just like that bicycle rider that got caught up in the geofence warrant for a burglary at a house he happened to ride past. Things would have to get bad enough for enough of us to trigger mass action, and even then it might already be too late. Technology, controlled by the unholy coupling of government and Big Tech, has us by the balls.
Post by: Anthony on May 03, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Things would have to get bad enough for enough of us to trigger mass action, and even then it might already be too late. Technology, controlled by the unholy coupling of government and Big Tech, has us by the balls.
The real scary part is Big Tech is all Far Left Progressive. They love to control and DICTATE. Democrats love to control and dictate. Also, Big Tech has a lot of MONEY to influence politicians and public policy.
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2020, 11:08:15 AM
The real scary part is Big Tech is all Far Left Progressive. They love to control and DICTATE. Democrats love to control and dictate. Also, Big Tech has a lot of MONEY to influence politicians and public policy.
Well that’s the whole problem isn’t it? Those with the power have totalitarian ideology, basically.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 03, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Well that’s the whole problem isn’t it? Those with the power have totalitarian ideology, basically.
wait, I thought democrats were the party of inclusion, the part of hate-is-not-welecome-here.
Post by: Lucifer on May 03, 2020, 05:11:36 PM
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/20200501churchgoers-must-register-with-the-government-in-kansas-city
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Kansas City, Missouri, officials are now requiring every church to submit a list of members and attendees along with their names, addresses and telephone numbers to city officials for tracking and surveillance purposes.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 03, 2020, 06:26:31 PM
More insanity.Everyone will need the mark of the beast
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/20200501churchgoers-must-register-with-the-government-in-kansas-city (https://lc.org/newsroom/details/20200501churchgoers-must-register-with-the-government-in-kansas-city)
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 03, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
Everyone will need the mark of the beast
Star of David for Jews.
Oops, guess that’s been done.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 04, 2020, 05:16:13 AM
Star of David for Jews.
Oops, guess that’s been done.
The red MAGA hat is the new Star of David. Yes, it’s worn (or not) voluntarily, but, like expressing non-leftist ideas on Twitter or FaceCrap, one is marked.
Post by: Anthony on May 04, 2020, 05:20:52 AM
The red MAGA hat is the new Star of David. Yes, it’s worn (or not) voluntarily, but, like expressing non-leftist ideas on Twitter or FaceCrap, one is marked.
Who would think that "Make America Great Again' would be HATED by Democrats, the Media, Entertainment, Education and Corporate America? What is in that message that gets the LEFT so upset, beyond Donald Trump our current PRESIDENT? Do they want America to fail? There own country?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 04, 2020, 05:24:31 AM
Post by: Rush on May 04, 2020, 08:01:29 AM
Who would think that "Make America Great Again' would be HATED by Democrats, the Media, Entertainment, Education and Corporate America? What is in that message that gets the LEFT so upset, beyond Donald Trump our current PRESIDENT? Do they want America to fail? There own country?
This is like the twilight zone. The Democrats are merrily pushing the economy off a cliff, applauding it, opportunistically using it to push their leftist agenda, and doing everything they can to inflict maximum damage to the United States, their own country. I must be having a nightmare, this can’t be real.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 04, 2020, 08:11:42 AM
This is like the twilight zone. The Democrats are merrily pushing the economy off a cliff, applauding it, opportunistically using it to push their leftist agenda, and doing everything they can to inflict maximum damage to the United States, their own country. I must be having a nightmare, this can’t be real.
I imagine it's a little like the nightmare the snowflakes have "endured" for the past 39+ months.
Post by: Lucifer on May 04, 2020, 08:31:51 AM
This is like the twilight zone. The Democrats are merrily pushing the economy off a cliff, applauding it, opportunistically using it to push their leftist agenda, and doing everything they can to inflict maximum damage to the United States, their own country. I must be having a nightmare, this can’t be real.
How many times in history have we seen this being repeated? I'm not surprised at anything I see going on right now. We are in the mist of the "fundamental transformation" of the USA. It was promised by BHO, and now the progressive left have finally found the vehicle (virus) to bring it about. Since they don't really have an opposing party, this is coming about.
Look at how many republicans are going along with this. Only a hand few are standing up and fighting.
Welcome to your preview of socialism in the USA. You can squarely blame voter apathy for this.
Post by: Rush on May 04, 2020, 09:02:21 AM
I imagine it's a little like the nightmare the snowflakes have "endured" for the past 39+ months.
Yeah poor things. Enduring skyrocketing portfolios, lots of jobs, lower taxes, cheap energy, and look! Nobody is rounding up homosexuals and sending them to concentration camps, nobody is forcing women back into the kitchen, Trump hasn't even outlawed abortion. Nevertheless, their blind hatred is the only thing filling their brains.
Post by: Lucifer on May 04, 2020, 09:17:13 AM
Yeah poor things. Enduring skyrocketing portfolios, lots of jobs, lower taxes, cheap energy, and look! Nobody is rounding up homosexuals and sending them to concentration camps, nobody is forcing women back into the kitchen, Trump hasn't even outlawed abortion. Nevertheless, their blind hatred is the only thing filling their brains.
Again, just go back into history and look at the regimes that over threw governments. You'll see a common thread among them, and hatred is one trait.
The socialist/communist ideology is all about control, and if there are casualties along the way, well, that's just collateral damage for the common goal. Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc had zero concern for the casualties along the way. Castro had zero care for the starving people of Cuba, nor the thousands he had executed.
Post by: Rush on May 04, 2020, 12:16:23 PM
Again, just go back into history and look at the regimes that over threw governments. You'll see a common thread among them, and hatred is one trait.
The socialist/communist ideology is all about control, and if there are casualties along the way, well, that's just collateral damage for the common goal. Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc had zero concern for the casualties along the way. Castro had zero care for the starving people of Cuba, nor the thousands he had executed.
Very like Cuomo arrogantly telling people who got laid off to “get an essential job”.
That’s “let them eat cake” level of fail.
Post by: nddons on May 07, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
Rush, have you been having a secret affair? I promise it will stay between all of us.Hey, I leave for a couple days and rumors start? I drove to .... Georgia. Yea, that’s it. Georgia.
I get what you're saying, but it's been settled a long time ago that location data isn't your data. Just don't carry your phone if you're going someplace you don't want to be tracked to or get a metal box that to put your phone in so it can't get a GPS signal.
Search for Faraday Box, they're not at all expensive and you can probably build one from scratch.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 07, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Post by: Anthony on May 07, 2020, 02:21:36 PM
Hey, I leave for a couple days and rumors start? I drove to .... Georgia. Yea, that’s it. Georgia.
How was Epstein's Island? ;D
Post by: nddons on May 11, 2020, 03:45:10 PM
And didn't even stop and say hi.I was at 18A - Franklin County airport. Far northeast Georgia. Anywhere close to you?
Post by: nddons on May 11, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
How was Epstein's Island? ;DGreat. Bill Clinton says hi, and he will be calling you to give you some relationship advice. So you’ve got that going for you, which is nice.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 11, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
Great. Bill Clinton says hi, and he will be calling you to give you some relationship advice. So you’ve got that going for you, which is nice.
bah, all he'll say is "stay away from the fat broads"
Post by: Anthony on May 11, 2020, 06:37:11 PM
Post by: Mr Pou on May 12, 2020, 04:30:47 AM
Stay away from fat broads.
My brother and his friends had an acronym they used when they were young and out clubbing. GUE!
Go Ugly Early, because you'll end up going ugly late anyway.
Lol
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 12, 2020, 05:08:54 AM
I was at 18A - Franklin County airport. Far northeast Georgia. Anywhere close to you?
I live 10 minutes away from Jackson County (KJCA)
Post by: Anthony on May 12, 2020, 07:05:15 AM
Post by: Username on May 12, 2020, 07:07:06 AM
Post by: Anthony on May 12, 2020, 07:09:41 AM
Quantity has a quality all its own.
Maybe to the Soviet Union.
"Train hard, fight easy."
Rather be alone (even when drunk) than with the visually, or morphologically impaired. :)
Post by: Username on May 12, 2020, 07:14:16 AM
Maybe to the Soviet Union.Add in mentally impaired. Avoid the "hot but crazy" corner! Better no one than the wrong one.
"Train hard, fight easy."
Rather be alone (even when drunk) than with the visually, or morphologically impaired. :)
Post by: Anthony on May 12, 2020, 07:52:19 AM
Add in mentally impaired. Avoid the "hot but crazy" corner! Better no one than the wrong one.
Words to live by. I always have. ::)
Then again, you only live once.
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2020, 07:46:07 AM
I live 10 minutes away from Jackson County (KJCA)Damn. Lost opportunity. It would have been cool to connect. We did the pre-buy in February and brought 3” of snow with us. You’re welcome.
. Do you know the McSpaddens? My instructor had planning on taking me to Triple Tree Airfield SC00. He loves the place, and said Navions love grass.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 18, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
Damn. Lost opportunity. It would have been cool to connect. We did the pre-buy in February and brought 3” of snow with us. You’re welcome. (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji846.png). Do you know the McSpaddens?Not a name I am familiar with.
My instructor had planning on taking me to Triple Tree Airfield SC00. He loves the place, and said Navions love grass.
Sorry we didn't get together.