PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on December 18, 2020, 08:03:03 AM
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This video takes the prize for most ironic of all time:
https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/protected-voices-foreign-influence-102319.mp4/view
First, which countries are most involved in trying to influence our political process? Primarily Russia, China, and Iran.
As of this filming, Russia is the most active in this field—although we expect other countries will get more involved in the future. In 2016, Russia ran hack-and-leak operations to interfere in the U.S. presidential election. Two years later, Russia continued to use social media to spread false facts and distrust during the U.S. midterm elections. And we aren’t alone. Russia has also tried to shape the political outcomes in France, Italy, Macedonia, Mexico, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom—either by promoting a specific candidate or goal, attacking opponents, or trying to discredit the entire democratic process.
China tries to influence the U.S. through open and secret investment in media, education, and entertainment. In 2008, China also hacked into computer systems related to U.S. political campaigns. Since then, China has only gotten better at shaping the information environment. Currently, China focuses primarily on its core interests, such as human rights, Tibet, and Taiwan.
Bold is mine. This is the FBI outright admitting Chinese widespread influence, and China having already hacked into election related computer systems. If the FBI comes back now and claims but no we didn’t mean Dominion vote machines that is not going to fly.
“As of this filming”, sometime between 2016 and prior to the 2020 election, maybe 10/23/19 shown in the link.
Now let’s discuss three common methods foreign powers use to influence our political process: Cyberattacks on campaign and election infrastructure, including hack-and-leak operations and data manipulation; covert influence and funding operations to help or harm political organizations, campaigns, and public officials; and disinformation campaigns on social media platforms.
Let’s first look at cyberattacks on campaigns and election infrastructure. A foreign adversary can use cyberattacks to steal or change data. They might, for instance, want to delete eligible voters from the rolls. Here’s the interesting thing: While as of this filming we have no evidence that any foreign government has successfully changed votes cast by eligible voters or removed voters from the rolls, even making Americans think that’s possible encourages distrust of our democratic process.
This is the FBI admitting the infrastructure can be attacked. But “as of this filming” no evidence that votes have been changed. And then, after telling us this is possible, she says that telling us it’s possible encourages distrust in our democratic process! There is only one conclusion you can draw from that: The FBI is encouraging us to distrust our elections. Since this video was likely made between 2016 and 2019, the implication is crystal clear. Look for it to be taken down and replaced with something else soon.
https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/protected-voices-social-media-literacy-102319.mp4/view
Social media platforms give foreign actors a way to connect with and manipulate you—so someone who appears to be a campaign supporter might actually be a foreigner who wants to trick you into sharing sensitive campaign information. If you see something suspicious on a social media platform, you can report your concerns directly to the social media company for their review.
This outright tells you to report to Facebook or Twitter anything “suspicious” (ie that disagrees with your world view):
This is NOT making me feel good about the FBI’s role in investigating potential fraud in 2020.
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This is the FBI admitting the infrastructure can be attacked. But “as of this filming” no evidence that votes have been changed. And then, after telling us this is possible, she says that telling us it’s possible encourages distrust in our democratic process!
The idea to attack trust in elections to create discord is pretty subtle and in a devious way, rather brilliant. It's probable that the people being targeted won't even recognize it and will probably reject that they're the target. That how you'll know "they" won, when the people who distrust the election refuse to recognize they've been played.
There is only one conclusion you can draw from that: The FBI is encouraging us to distrust our elections.
I disagree. I read it as they're warning us.
Out of that, I'd like to see intense attention given to ensuring election integrity. That starts with the legislatures recognizing that trust is low and allocating money to fix it it. Then it's about validating the voter rolls, improving security and providing the proper double checks. That probably involves giving up some secrecy, at least providing a means to validate a ballot. The other element is monitoring - there should be 24x7 openness, every poll worker should be working in a fishbowl and poll monitors should never be shut out of rooms.
For me, that's the minimum that is needed to have a trustworthy election.
That is on top of the whole issue of people trying to change the rules at the last minute. Both sides tried to do it, Democrats were worse. That created chaos and I think nobody knows the real impact it had. Without going down that rabbit hole again, obviously my feeling is that it wasn't broken irreparably. But there needs to clearly be a prohibition against changing the rules by power hungry governors.
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The idea to attack trust in elections to create discord is pretty subtle and in a devious way, rather brilliant. It's probable that the people being targeted won't even recognize it and will probably reject that they're the target. That how you'll know "they" won, when the people who distrust the election refuse to recognize they've been played.
I disagree. I read it as they're warning us.
Out of that, I'd like to see intense attention given to ensuring election integrity. That starts with the legislatures recognizing that trust is low and allocating money to fix it it. Then it's about validating the voter rolls, improving security and providing the proper double checks. That probably involves giving up some secrecy, at least providing a means to validate a ballot. The other element is monitoring - there should be 24x7 openness, every poll worker should be working in a fishbowl and poll monitors should never be shut out of rooms.
For me, that's the minimum that is needed to have a trustworthy election.
That is on top of the whole issue of people trying to change the rules at the last minute. Both sides tried to do it, Democrats were worse. That created chaos and I think nobody knows the real impact it had. Without going down that rabbit hole again, obviously my feeling is that it wasn't broken irreparably. But there needs to clearly be a prohibition against changing the rules by power hungry governors.
I don’t understand how you can believe all that but still think the Biden win is legitimate.
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I don’t understand how you can believe all that but still think the Biden win is legitimate.
I know.
The answer is that accusations without evidence are insufficient to act on. Courts place more weight on allowing anyone to vote rather than evaluating whether or not they should be allowed to. That has opened the door to opportunities for fraud in ways that we cannot full detect. It's not right, but it is reality.
I'm trying to deal with the reality - 70% of the country agrees Trump HAS lost...maybe if he were more popular, that wouldn't be. There is also huge distrust of elections.
The question I want answered - How do we fix it?
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I know.
The answer is that accusations without evidence are insufficient to act on.
My problem is that Trump didn't lose those lawsuits based on evidence. He lost because the court refused to hear the lawsuits.
The question I want answered - How do we fix it?
That is mine, and everyone else's question too. Not just giving up and accepting it is a start. I mean, we have to accept the fact that Joe is going to become President. But just like the Dems never accepted Trump as legitimate and kept working to prove it, that is what we have to do.
The alternative is armed rebellion. And that won't go well.
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The answer is that accusations without evidence are insufficient to act on. ...
you keep saying that... but since there is, in fact, evidence, the statement is irrelevant.
The question I want answered - How do we fix it?
yes. That is certainly one question.
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I feel like a broken record. But here goes again...
The evidence IS sufficient. People are being threatened. As for the Supreme Court, word is the statement "But there will be riots" was overheard as why they didn't want to touch the Texas case.
The justices are human. They gave in to terrorist threat. That's what's going on.
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you keep saying that... but since there is, in fact, evidence, the statement is irrelevant.
yes. That is certainly one question.
I have searched for it. I found very little and nothing of volume.
If I have missed, please point it out to me.
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I feel like a broken record. But here goes again...
The evidence IS sufficient. People are being threatened. As for the Supreme Court, word is the statement "But there will be riots" was overheard as why they didn't want to touch the Texas case.
The justices are human. They gave in to terrorist threat. That's what's going on.
Seriously? Holy fuck.
This country is in serious need of testicles. I’ve never seen people so unable to find the stones to fight for what’s right.
“Damn the torpedos. Full speed ahead.”
Admiral David Farragut
US Navy
Battle of Mobile Bay
1864
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Seriously? Holy fuck.
This country is in serious need of testicles. I’ve never seen people so unable to find the stones to fight for what’s right.
“Damn the torpedos. Full speed ahead.”
Admiral David Farragut
US Navy
Battle of Mobile Bay
1864
Well I just listened to a bunch of Steve Turley’s videos and he says things are happening fast all over the place. Republican legislatures seem to be awakening and stepping up. AZ has subpoenaed and I believe confiscated the Dominion machines for forensic audit in Maricopa county. Now they suspect there what happened was the same thing that happened in Antrim MI where 6000 votes were flipped from Trump to Biden, but there were only 16,000 total votes in Antrim. Maricopa has a population of 4.4 million. If anything similar happened there, it’s all over. Biden only won AZ by 10,000 votes. The GOP leader of this, I forget his name, Mastriano’s counterpart, indicated that it’s certain they will be at the least de-certifying Biden’s win, and depending on what they find in the examination possibly giving the state to Trump.
The deplorables are rising in GA and screaming for the governor to postpone the Jan 5 runoff demanding it not be held until the Dominion thing is sorted out. A court has ruled in WI that it was illegal to tell voters they could use covid as an excuse to mail in their ballot. Things are happening in NV and PA, and Congress held a hearing in DC. Overall, people are fighting back and while many are cowards it appears many are also not. The fight centers on the Legislatures in all these states which is where it should be as overall the judiciary is a lost cause. The legislatures had the power and responsibility all along but since about the 1930s have been sloughing it off onto bureaucrats (sec of state) letting them run elections, but they have gradually re-awakened and are realizing it is not only their power and responsibility but their duty to take back control of the election process. More and more U.S. Congressmen are promising to contest the result at the count on Jan 6, that is virtually certain to occur now, and it is looking more and more like it could get kicked into the House. Turley said the wind is shifting direction in our favor.
I am cautiously optimistic at the moment.
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I have searched for it. I found very little and nothing of volume.
If I have missed, please point it out to me.
Look at Rush's post just above this one
edit: and http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=5124.0
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What you’re saying is - they are searching. If they already had the evidence, why would they still be searching?
At what point will you realize there isn’t anything substantial to be uncovered? Ever? Or will your belief in fraud survive forever despite no evidence?
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I said above I thought they already had the machines. According to this they don’t and the board of supervisors are refusing to turn them over, which of course means they have something to hide and are busy destroying evidence.
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I said above I thought they already had the machines. According to this they don’t and the board of supervisors are refusing to turn them over, which of course means they have something to hide and are busy destroying evidence.
Which makes bflynn happy, because his entire bullshit argument is based on see no evil, lie about no evil, pretend lying is truth.... like so many other libs. Their entire foundation is based on what they can get away with.
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What you’re saying is - they are searching. If they already had the evidence, why would they still be searching?
Not even close to what I was saying.
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Not even close to what I was saying.
So they found evidence but aren’t publishing it until they find all of it?
They’re still trying to find that missing evidence they KNOW is there?
And my bullshit stance here is predicated upon there being no evidence. Nobody here has presented concrete evidence. We all know there can be victimless crime, but now there can apparently be crimes without criminals? You don’t know who did it, what they did, the magnitude of it, by BY GOD, they did something.
Take a step back. Without finding a smoking gun, you will convince nobody that isn’t already convinced. Keep searching by all means. I am a minority here, but out in the real world, almost 3/4 of the people affirmatively believe Biden won, about 15% believe Trump had it stolen from him. If you can’t convince me, what hope do you have of convincing them? Get out of your echo chamber and rejoin the rest of the country.
Do you all recognize that you’ve been played or do you just not care?
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Do you all recognize that you’ve been played or do you just not care?
how ironic
ya know, you are just being deliberately obtuse. I have to believe you are smarter than you are presenting yourself.
At least I hope you are...
I'm done trying to provide any information to you. You continue to babble about no evidence.
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how ironic
ya know, you are just being deliberately obtuse. I have to believe you are smarter than you are presenting yourself.
At least I hope you are...
You’re hoping for a bit much. ::)
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So they found evidence but aren’t publishing it until they find all of it?
They’re still trying to find that missing evidence they KNOW is there?
Take a step back. Without finding a smoking gun, you will convince nobody that isn’t already convinced. Keep searching by all means.
Oh, there are plenty of smoking guns. Wanna bet lots of those sworn affidavits that courts refused to even look at actually contain names of the criminals? Why else would the whistleblowers be getting death threats?
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... Why else would the whistleblowers be getting death threats?
why? because we are being played...
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how ironic
ya know, you are just being deliberately obtuse. I have to believe you are smarter than you are presenting yourself.
At least I hope you are...
I'm done trying to provide any information to you. You continue to babble about no evidence.
And you continue to babble about things that have no legal basis.
Regardless of what actually happened, you cannot change it. The storm does not care if you rail against it, it merely exists and you cannot affect it. You might be righteous, but you are accomplishing nothing and waste your energy, thus ensuring they win the war.
It is so emotional, almost like a Democrat.
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And you continue to babble about things that have no legal basis.
when?
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It is so emotional, almost like a Democrat.
That is my point in the DOCTOR Jill Biden thread.
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That is my point in the DOCTOR Jill Biden thread.
Don’t worry Joe. We’ll treat Joe and Dr Jill with the same respect and deference that the democrats gave my beloved President Trump and First Lady Melania.
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Don’t worry Joe. We’ll treat Joe and Dr Jill with the same respect and deference that the democrats gave my beloved President Trump and First Lady Melania.
I won't.
I just don't think is the best battle to pick. Or even in the top 100.