PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on December 19, 2020, 06:01:20 PM
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Here’s a pretty good analysis of the possibility of an America First (Maga) or populist party.
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The GOP has committed political suicide.
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The GOP has committed political suicide.
Agree. Democrats are toasting a Trump led party. He will ensure the establishment of a full blown American socialist system.
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Agree. Democrats are toasting a Trump led party. He will ensure the establishment of a full blown American socialist system.
How?
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How?
He thinks it will split the R vote leaving the Ds to win. We’ve been through this before.
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Does anyone believe a second conservative party would not split the conservative vote?
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Does anyone believe a second conservative party would not split the conservative vote?
Did you actually watch that guy’s video? And follow his train of thought? I know it’s not easy, he packs a lot into his words.
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Does anyone believe a second conservative party would not split the conservative vote?
I'd really like to hear some answers to this because I can't see how it would do anything else (but split the conservative vote). It would be like the Dems splitting into a socialist party, a green party and a centrist party. Then Rs would win all the elections.
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I'd really like to hear some answers to this because I can't see how it would do anything else (but split the conservative vote). It would be like the Dems splitting into a socialist party, a green party and a centrist party. Then Rs would win all the elections.
Not if 95% of the Rs go with the new Trump party plus the walkaways and a good portion of libertarians. Although it may be better to rebrand the existing GOP. Either way, traditional GOP is finished.
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Did you actually watch that guy’s video? And follow his train of thought? I know it’s not easy, he packs a lot into his words.
I didn't watch it. I've been burned out on the mass quantity of links; especially long videos. I prefer to hear the opinions of PS members.
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Not if 95% of the Rs go with the new Trump party plus the walkaways and a good portion of libertarians. Although it may be better to rebrand the existing GOP. Either way, traditional GOP is finished.
In reality, the GOP is no different than the DNC. It's "please give me your vote" every two years, then a middle finger to the voter after the election while the establishment busy themselves carving out their shares and advancing their agendas.
Just as the DNC doesn't represent a large share of their constituents, neither does the RNC. Another party would make huge gains taking from both the DNC and RNC.
The DNC has gone full socialist communist, and the RNC has gone full globalist establishment. The people in the rust belt and the flyover country no longer have a party with their interest. Both DNC and RNC have severely misinterpreted their respective bases.
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In reality, the GOP is no different than the DNC. It's "please give me your vote" every two years, then a middle finger to the voter after the election while the establishment busy themselves carving out their shares and advancing their agendas.
Just as the DNC doesn't represent a large share of their constituents, neither does the RNC. Another party would make huge gains taking from both the DNC and RNC.
The DNC has gone full socialist communist, and the RNC has gone full globalist establishment. The people in the rust belt and the flyover country no longer have a party with their interest. Both DNC and RNC have severely misinterpreted their respective bases.
This. All of it.
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The largest voting block in Florida is No Party Affiliation.
A serious tnird party would pick up a lot of disaffected voters from both sideshow parties.
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I didn't watch it. I've been burned out on the mass quantity of links; especially long videos. I prefer to hear the opinions of PS members.
You’re like my sister. Every day she calls me and asks what happened today with all of this. I’m the one reading the articles and watching the videos and I’m supposed to digest it and then summarize it to her so she doesn’t have to do the legwork. >:(
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You’re like my sister. Every day she calls me and asks what happened today with all of this. I’m the one reading the articles and watching the videos and I’m supposed to digest it and then summarize it to her so she doesn’t have to do the legwork. >:(
You should start making up some stuff... start subtle and then gradually get more and more outrageous. See how far you can go before (1) she starts to question/doubt you and then (2) she stops asking you what happened.
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You’re like my sister. Every day she calls me and asks what happened today with all of this. I’m the one reading the articles and watching the videos and I’m supposed to digest it and then summarize it to her so she doesn’t have to do the legwork. >:(
The difference is that I spend my day reading and researching this stuff too. I come here to read your opinions. Not to ask you what is happening.
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The difference is that I spend my day reading and researching this stuff too. I come here to read your opinions. Not to ask you what is happening.
Gotcha. ;D
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In reality, the GOP is no different than the DNC. It's "please give me your vote" every two years, then a middle finger to the voter after the election while the establishment busy themselves carving out their shares and advancing their agendas.
Just as the DNC doesn't represent a large share of their constituents, neither does the RNC. Another party would make huge gains taking from both the DNC and RNC.
The DNC has gone full socialist communist, and the RNC has gone full globalist establishment. The people in the rust belt and the flyover country no longer have a party with their interest. Both DNC and RNC have severely misinterpreted their respective bases.
If the RNC and their politicians think that they can tap into the enthusiasm of the Trump rallies, they are sorely, sorely mistaken.
My wife, who with the local county GOP stood on bridges on Election Day holding Trump signs. She manned phone banks calling Republicans. She was active. She’s told me she’s done voting.
That’s how I feel as well. Until I see a Republican lay it on the line and fight for ME, and for Conservative ideals, fuck them. They’re on their own.
And don’t try to bullshit me. I’ve been around the block. I don’t take kindly to bullshitters.
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She’s told me she’s done voting.
That’s how I feel as well.
Then you're bullshitting yourself. Abstaining or sitting back and complaining rather than taking some action will get you exactly what you don't want.
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Then you're bullshitting yourself. Abstaining or sitting back and complaining rather than taking some action will get you exactly what you don't want.
I don’t believe he said he wouldn’t take action. I believe he means he won’t support the GOP.
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I don’t believe he said he wouldn’t take action. I believe he means he won’t support the GOP.
Correct. I’m not taking their inaction and pussification.
For example, I posted this today in a Wisconsin conservative site on FB:
An open letter to Wisconsin State Senators:
My State Senator sent me a link to this letter about voting irregularities sent to Gov. Evers and signed by 15 Senators. How nice.
This is the most milquetoast statement I have ever seen coming from a Republican-led legislative body. Are you seriously “asking” THIS governor if he supports “common sense reforms” in voting procedures? What if he says no, or simply ignores you, once again? What are you going to do about it? Send him a more stern letter? Here’s a news flash: he doesn’t support any changes that would diminish democrats’ ability to cheat. So what are you going to do about THAT?
You are 1/2 of the legislative branch. We put you in office to do legislative things. We demand that you do legislative things. Letters, newsletters, and press conferences don’t mean anything. Wisconsin voting laws need to be tightened, NOW, in this next legislative session. We don’t want to see committees and commissions run out the clock so we are in this exact same boat two years from now. This needs to be an Act-10-type of fight. Do you have it in you? Are you willing to truly fight for what’s right? We are watching you.
https://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/33/kapenga/media/1256/letter-to-gov-evers-regarding-2020-election.pdf
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I read it that you were done voting. Glad that isn't the case. Everyone who is legal to should vote.
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I read it that you were done voting. Glad that isn't the case. Everyone who is legal to should vote.
I disagree. You should only vote if you educate yourself on what the hell you’re voting for.
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I disagree. You should only vote if you educate yourself on what the hell you’re voting for.
Also, there is the issue of whether you should be allowed to vote if you are accepting "government assistance". Perhaps beyond a certain "safety net" amount. And I am NOT referring to programs such as social security, which are true entitlements. You paid in so you are entitled.
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Also, there is the issue of whether you should be allowed to vote if you are accepting "government assistance". Perhaps beyond a certain "safety net" amount. And I am NOT referring to programs such as social security, which are true entitlements. You paid in so you are entitled.
At this point I’d be happy if dead people didn’t vote and we required IDs and no universal mail in. But I agree with you. It would never fly though because it would be RACIST.
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I disagree. You should only vote if you educate yourself on what the hell you’re voting for.
Educated to whose standard? If it's left's standard then you can't vote until you understand that climate change is real and children are only human if the mother agrees.
I would personally love to know that everyone voting has passed a micro-economics course, but I would never tell someone they couldn't vote because they didn't meet my standard of knowledge.
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At this point I’d be happy if dead people didn’t vote and we required IDs and no universal mail in. But I agree with you. It would never fly though because it would be RACIST.
It would be deemed racist by the left. But in reality, just saying it would be racist, IS racist. It is saying that only blacks can't get by without government assistance.
If saying that discriminating against those on public assistance is racist, then why does the left always point out that there are more white people on government assistance than blacks or minorities when people complain about blacks on welfare? Which is it?
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Educated to whose standard? If it's left's standard then you can't vote until you understand that climate change is real and children are only human if the mother agrees.
I would personally love to know that everyone voting has passed a micro-economics course, but I would never tell someone they couldn't vote because they didn't meet my standard of knowledge.
Easy. Take the standard immigrant citizenship test. Fail, and you lose your voter registration for this election cycle.
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Easy. Take the standard immigrant citizenship test. Fail, and you lose your voter registration for this election cycle.
That would be fun. I hope there isn't a minimum number of voters needed to form a quorum because that test would eliminate a huge majority of current voters.
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I'd prefer that a voter knows at least a little about the candidate's position on significant issues.
(with a nod to JeffDG)
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Easy. Take the standard immigrant citizenship test. Fail, and you lose your voter registration for this election cycle.
There's a fair number of difficult questions. In honesty, how many can answer these:
In what year was the Constitution written?
Name one author of it.
Who did the United States fight in WW-II?
How many amendments are there to the Constitution?
Of course, the answers are multiple guess and the wrong answers are very obvious with just a little knowledge.
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Educated to whose standard? If it's left's standard then you can't vote until you understand that climate change is real and children are only human if the mother agrees.
I would personally love to know that everyone voting has passed a micro-economics course, but I would never tell someone they couldn't vote because they didn't meet my standard of knowledge.
I only said you shouldn't vote if you don't know what the hell is going on, I didn't say it should be legally forced. Because you're exactly right, there is no way to objectively decide what information is "correct".
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That would be fun. I hope there isn't a minimum number of voters needed to form a quorum because that test would eliminate a huge majority of current voters.
It's multiple choice if I understand it correctly. A lot of the questions are answerable with just a little knowledge.
Name an author of the Constitution
John Lennon
Abraham Lincoln
Alexander Hamilton
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I'd prefer that a voter knows at least a little about the candidate's position on significant issues.
(with a nod to JeffDG)
I'd be ok if they just didn't put then party affiliation (D, R I, G etc) and let people select from the list of names. I know people that can't even tell you who they voted for right after an election. They just vote for the party. You should at least know the party of the people you vote for.
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It's multiple choice if I understand it correctly. A lot of the questions are answerable with just a little knowledge.
Name an author of the Constitution
John Lennon
Abraham Lincoln
Alexander Hamilton
nope - not a multiple guess test
https://my.uscis.gov/prep/test/civics
"What to expect during the real test
The actual civics test is NOT a multiple choice test. During the naturalization interview, a USCIS officer will ask you up to 10 questions from the list of 100 questions in English. You must answer correctly 6 of the 10 questions to pass the civics test. "
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions-and-answers/100q.pdf
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Just one question: "Did you enter the US illegally"?
If the answer is "Yes", then welcome new citizen!
If the answer is "No", then prepare for a long difficult interview / testing process.
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For those who don’t get it, THIS:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201223/96f5e1498fcf30e7e8f402e2efee231c.jpg)
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Yes, by all means then, you should split off from the Republicans. You'll create a political landscape roughly like this:
Democrats 35%
Independents 35%
Republicans 15%
Trump Party 15%
Do it register that you'll have less influence as a 3rd official party?
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Yes, by all means then, you should split off from the Republicans. You'll create a political landscape roughly like this:
Democrats 35%
Independents 35%
Republicans 15%
Trump Party 15%
Do it register that you'll have less influence as a 3rd official party?
Do it? (sorry, couldn't resist)
anyway, the "Trump Party" could be viewed a swing votes and thus have more influence than the mindless drones voting for whatever useless waste of DNA nominated by the DNC.
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Yes, by all means then, you should split off from the Republicans. You'll create a political landscape roughly like this:
Democrats 35%
Independents 35%
Republicans 15%
Trump Party 15%
Do it register that you'll have less influence as a 3rd official party?
There are not a lot of Republican voters that wouldn’t go with Trump. It’s kind of like how Americans all came together after 9/11 (except a minority of chickens come home to roost traitors). This election fraud is an attack on our country actually worse than 9/11 in terms of the survival of our nation. Even the Amish who typically stay out of “English” politics came out of their 18th century time machine to vote for Trump.
Anyone who isn’t wearing the mainstream media blinders understands what’s at stake here. The only Republicans that will stick with a traditional Republican Party are the swamp creatures.
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There are not a lot of Republican voters that wouldn’t go with Trump. It’s kind of like how Americans all came together after 9/11 (except a minority of chickens come home to roost traitors). This election fraud is an attack on our country actually worse than 9/11 in terms of the survival of our nation. Even the Amish who typically stay out of “English” politics came out of their 18th century time machine to vote for Trump.
Anyone who isn’t wearing the mainstream media blinders understands what’s at stake here. The only Republicans that will stick with a traditional Republican Party are the swamp creatures.
The Omnibus/Covid Relief Bill and the Defense Bill sitting on the President's desk have infuriated people both D and R. It's an "in your face fuck you!" by McConnell and Pelosi. The latest actions by the establishment have all but killed the republican party, as well as driving the moderate democrats away.
Let the republicans think that in 2022 that the voters will be back to support them. They are going to be shocked at how many of them fall to being primaried out. (disclaimer: They will be primaried in the free states that still run clean elections)