PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on December 21, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
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Round up a dozen COVID patients from the thousands clogging up our hospitals,.
Put half of them in a room and make them wear masks.
Put half of them in a room without masks.
After a couple of hours, go test all the surfaces it the rooms for the virus. If the room full of NO mask wearers has a bunch of virus germs all around, then ditch the masks. If the no-mask room is much worse than the mask room, then continue recommending masks.
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That will result in the patients wearing masks having a higher rate of secondary bacterial infections. I predict.
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Practice what you preach. Next time you or a loved one go in for a medical procedure insist the surgical staff forego PPE. No masks or gowns. Maybe gowns, to keep your blood from getting on their clothes. No masks or other facial protection though.
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Practice what you preach.
Maybe you should tell that to Dr Birx.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-delaware-property-delaware-coronavirus-thanksgiving-holiday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9073055/Birx-travels-family-visits-highlight-pandemic-safety-perils.html
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/birx-went-to-florida-on-thanksgiving-despite-her-travel-warnings/
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-dr-deborah-birx-coronavirus-travel-20201220-5o5rrtpdzzej5hqlfow4r5wgk4-story.html
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/20/another-one-dr-birx-gets-busted-not-obeying-covid-19-travel-guidelines/
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Practice what you preach. Next time you or a loved one go in for a medical procedure insist the surgical staff forego PPE. No masks or gowns. Maybe gowns, to keep your blood from getting on their clothes. No masks or other facial protection though.
You are a troll and a pussy, which is often the same thing.
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Practice what you preach. Next time you or a loved one go in for a medical procedure insist the surgical staff forego PPE. No masks or gowns. Maybe gowns, to keep your blood from getting on their clothes. No masks or other facial protection though.
Uh, who were you addressing that to? I am one of the few on here that has been promoting mask usage. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like some empirical data to back me up.
I hate wearing masks. The get tangled up with my hearing aids. They make it harder for me to hear and understand others, especially when they are barricaded behind a Plexiglas wall. And as someone else said in another thread, they are becoming a major source of litter and pollution. I still wear them and promote them but I haven't really seen any proof that they help more than hurt. Just a lot of speculation and educated assumptions.
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Just a lot of speculation and uneducated assumptions.
FTFY
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Uh, who were you addressing that to? I am one of the few on here that has been promoting mask usage. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like some empirical data to back me up.
I hate wearing masks. The get tangled up with my hearing aids. They make it harder for me to hear and understand others, especially when they are barricaded behind a Plexiglas wall. And as someone else said in another thread, they are becoming a major source of litter and pollution. I still wear them and promote them but I haven't really seen any proof that they help more than hurt. Just a lot of speculation and educated assumptions.
You don’t understand. You are a MASK DENIER! It doesn’t matter that you wear a mask and agree we should wear masks. The fact that you reasonably ask about the science behind it proves you’re not One with the Body.
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Practice what you preach. Next time you or a loved one go in for a medical procedure insist the surgical staff forego PPE. No masks or gowns. Maybe gowns, to keep your blood from getting on their clothes. No masks or other facial protection though.
Masks were intended to prevent the spread of bacteria, not viruses. Bacteria being on the rough order of 100 times larger should be filtered by masks. But what do you make of this controlled study?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/)
“Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.“
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More:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16295987/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16295987/)
“ Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review
Abstract
Surgical face masks were originally developed to contain and filter droplets of microorganisms expelled from the mouth and nasopharynx of healthcare workers during surgery, thereby providing protection for the patient. However, there are several ways in which surgical face masks could potentially contribute to contamination of the surgical wound. Surgical face masks have recently been advocated as a protective barrier between the surgical team and the patient, but the role of the surgical face mask as an effective measure in preventing surgical wound infections is questionable. The aim of the systematic review is to identify and review all randomised controlled trials evaluating disposable surgical face masks worn by the surgical team during clean surgery to prevent postoperative surgical wound infection. All relevant publications about disposable surgical face masks were sought through the Specialised Trials Register of the Cochrane Wounds Group (March 2001). Manufacturers and distributors of disposable surgical masks as well as professional organisations including the National Association of Theatre Nurses and the Association of Operating Room Nurses were contacted for details of unpublished and ongoing studies. Randomised controlled trials (RCTs) and quasi-randomised controlled trials comparing the use of disposable surgical masks with the use of no mask were included.
Main results: Two randomised controlled trials were included involving a total of 1453 patients. In a small trial there was a trend towards masks being associated with fewer infections, whereas in a large trial there was no difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group. Neither trial accounted for cluster randomisation in the analysis.
Reviewers' conclusions: From the limited results it is unclear whether wearing surgical face masks results in any harm or benefit to the patient undergoing clean surgery.“
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We've all been wearing masks. Covid is through the roof. If masks were effective, this would not have happened.
If you watch the data, covid has an obvious pattern. It cannot sustain for an extended time, probably 3-4 months max, although it is possible to stretch that out through things like social distancing so it lasts longer. The infection rate that seems to produce herd immunity appears to be significantly lower than the 70% predicted by those who "know", maybe as low as 20%. That would be consistent with other data I've seen saying about half the people have an immunity to the virus.
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We've all been wearing masks. Covid is through the roof. If masks were effective, this would not have happened.
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Well, there are "leaders" who claim that the increase in infections is just evidence that not enough people aren't following the "guidance"
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Masks were intended to prevent the spread of bacteria, not viruses. Bacteria being on the rough order of 100 times larger should be filtered by masks. But what do you make of this controlled study?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/)
“Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.“
I repeat what I said. insist your surgical team not wear them. They'll likely listen to you. I doubt anyone really likes wearing masks, except perhaps superheroes and bank robbers.
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I repeat what I said. insist your surgical team not wear them. They'll likely listen to you. I doubt anyone really likes wearing masks, except perhaps superheroes and bank robbers.
Based on that information I would have no problem with my surgical team not wearing masks. I would however insist on hair nets and beard net if applicable.
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Practice what you preach. Next time you or a loved one go in for a medical procedure insist the surgical staff forego PPE. No masks or gowns. Maybe gowns, to keep your blood from getting on their clothes. No masks or other facial protection though.
Surgical masks in a sterile environment used by those trained to use them is completely different from cloth masks used haphazardly by the general populace.
Moronic analogy. You should know better.
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Surgical masks in a sterile environment used by those trained to use them is completely different from cloth masks used haphazardly by the general populace.
Moronic analogy. You should know better.
He's not a scientist.
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He's not a scientist.
He's not even an adult.
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I repeat what I said. insist your surgical team not wear them. They'll likely listen to you. I doubt anyone really likes wearing masks, except perhaps superheroes and bank robbers.
They will most likely ignore you because if they don’t follow protocol, they get sued for anything that goes wrong. Whether masks are effective or not, they wear them for legal protection too.