PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on May 23, 2021, 05:33:37 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608675/CDC-investigating-heart-problems-teenagers-young-adults-Moderna-Pfizer-vaccine.html
More bad news for the lying democrats and their "settled science" bullshit.
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“Bad news?” Hardly.
“Most likely a coincidence,” and “to be expected when so many people are getting vaccinated.”
Pish tish.
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If a vaccine promoted to protect against sickness turns out to damage the hearts of children and young adults, it is bad news no matter how the liberals, media and communists (there I go repeating myself) spin it.
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During the same time period, how many heart problems occurred in teens and young adults there were not vaccinated?
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During the same time period, how many heart problems occurred in teens and young adults there were not vaccinated?
Leaving aside the fact that whatever journalist wrote that article is an idiot:
“Children generally face low risks of Covid, with the fatality rate well below zero, which has raised questions about whether getting them vaccinated against COVID-19 is for kids' own protection or to protect more at-risk adults.”
3.9 million children have gotten covid and 300 died. This is a case fatality rate of 0.00769
0.00769 is not “below zero”.
That would mean having covid saved you from an otherwise destined demise. Below zero is a negative number. How do journalists get through 12 years of school and then college not knowing 1st grade math?
They make the point that every year a bunch of kids get myocarditis anyway. So why do they specify four days after the second shot? If it’s truly random chance, you’d have cases two days, one day, five days, three weeks, after the first or the second shot. With small enough sample size you could get a coincidental bunch at four days after the second shot. The truth is, they have no idea whether the shot is triggering this reaction. It might be, it might not be.
To your point, if the percent that get it is similar to the percent of unvaccinated that get it, that suggests the vaccine isn’t causing it. That could be misleading though, as often myocarditis is mild and goes undiagnosed. It’s possible that having the vaccine strengthens the immune response making a case clinically noticeable that otherwise wouldn’t have been, but the vaccine didn’t actually cause additional cases.
Children can have undiagnosed heart defects or as-yet unrecognized autoimmune disease associated with myocarditis not known until some stressor causes it to become symptomatic. The vaccine could be one such stressor. Covid, the disease, causes myocarditis. The etiology could be viral or it could be autoimmune, or it could be a combination of both, and if autoimmune, the vaccine certainly could do the same thing. They’ve found viral particles in heart tissue of deceased covid patients but this doesn’t prove a lack of autoimmune etiology.
The truth is, at this point in time, they have no goddamn idea. And it is irresponsible to lead the public to believe anything other than exactly that.
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First, calling the writer a "journalist" is unjustified... possibly the editor is (also) a blithering idiot.
Second, I won't disable ad-blocker, so I can't read the article. But I doubt these heart problems occur exactly 4 days after receiving a shot.
Third, the most likely children getting vaccinations are those considered at risk, yes? I'm speculating...I don't have children, I don't have knowledge of the health of children receiving the vaccine.
Fourth, just like anyone receiving this EUA vaccine, there is the tendency to be extra aware of anything not feeling well.
Fifth, having said all that, I fully support people being careful about what vaccines they take and what vaccines are given to their children.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that I would ignore problems/negatives of vacinnation. I just like getting the whole story.
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First, calling the writer a "journalist" is unjustified... possibly the editor is (also) a blithering idiot.
LOL!
Don't make the mistake of assuming that I would ignore problems/negatives of vacinnation. I just like getting the whole story.
As do I. There are a zillion variables here. It's way too soon to draw any conclusions either way.
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That would mean having covid saved you from an otherwise destined demise.
Yes, of course, millions of children's lives were saved or prolonged. I heard Obama say almost the same thing about jobs, so it must be true, right?
But Bob has the correct way to think about this. How many problems were there compared to a similar time frame in the same population?
Israel is out in front on vaccinations and as a result they're seeing a lot of things first. A study there found a total of 62 cases with 2 deaths at a rate that was not statistically larger than the natural rate of occurrence.
It appears Chicken Little has flown the coup again.
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Sounds like a real nothing burger. There is a low rate of myocarditis in the population, and I haven't seen anything suggesting that the rate of vaccinated people exhibiting it is any more than that. Of course, COVID itself causes a myocarditis sufficiently severe to cause lethality, something it's done on numerous occasions.
Cue insult from Number 7...