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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on July 16, 2021, 07:24:44 AM

Title: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2021, 07:24:44 AM
This guy again, apologies if you’re sick of him but I would love all y’all’s opinions.  I don’t always agree with him but he does make me look at things from a different perspective.

https://rumble.com/vjx3r0-secession-is-dumb-conquest-is-better.html

For this, he is right, conquest is better than secession, but isn’t secession better than becoming China? HOW do we “conquer” the fascist corporate-political-media-educational monolith? His solution is ground upward local politics, pressure school boards to get rid of Marxist CRT, run for mayor, sheriff, fix election integrity, etc. Is that too little too late?

Oh, and he mentions expanding the U.S. He made another video about making Puerto Rico a state would be a good thing, that they’d end up being a red state!  Blows my mind, could he possibly be right?

https://rumble.com/vjme0h-solve-the-puerto-rico-statehood-question-once-and-for-all.html

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: bflynn on July 16, 2021, 08:33:12 AM
We were taking about this the other day.  If 35 states want to secede, what they really want is to kick the other 15 out.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2021, 08:35:36 AM
We were taking about this the other day.  If 35 states want to secede, what they really want is to kick the other 15 out.

What we really need to do is kick out just a few large urban counties. That would fix all our problems.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 16, 2021, 08:36:29 AM
What we really need to do is kick out just a few large urban counties. That would fix all our problems.

sadly, I don't think it's that simple.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
sadly, I don't think it's that simple.

But it’s a fun fantasy.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2021, 10:54:07 AM
What we really need to do is kick out just a few large urban counties. That would fix all our problems.

Maybe set them up as separate nation-states where their laws do not apply to the rest of us nor can they vote in our elections nor we theirs.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: nddons on July 16, 2021, 01:25:13 PM
This guy again, apologies if you’re sick of him but I would love all y’all’s opinions.  I don’t always agree with him but he does make me look at things from a different perspective.

https://rumble.com/vjx3r0-secession-is-dumb-conquest-is-better.html

For this, he is right, conquest is better than secession, but isn’t secession better than becoming China? HOW do we “conquer” the fascist corporate-political-media-educational monolith? His solution is ground upward local politics, pressure school boards to get rid of Marxist CRT, run for mayor, sheriff, fix election integrity, etc. Is that too little too late?

Oh, and he mentions expanding the U.S. He made another video about making Puerto Rico a state would be a good thing, that they’d end up being a red state!  Blows my mind, could he possibly be right?

https://rumble.com/vjme0h-solve-the-puerto-rico-statehood-question-once-and-for-all.html
I haven’t listened to this yet, but some quick observations on what you wrote:

We need to start at the grass roots.  The liberals have been doing that for decades so we are behind the 8 ball. It won’t help us with our current problems, but it will help us when the Marxists keep coming at us 10, 15, 20 years from now.

For now, while the CCP seems to control a lot of the apparatchik, we can defeat the DCP without having to go to war with the CCP.

Donald Trump had the CCP on their heals after only 24 months in office. All it takes is a real leader.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2021, 06:24:28 PM
I think we are too far gone.  It will take real hardship and the suburbanites to lose their Teslas, Beemers, Benzes  and McMansions.

We are TOO affluent, comfortable and complacent.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 16, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
Speaking of Teslas or any electric vehicle, time for them to start paying for using the roads.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2021, 05:16:37 AM
Speaking of Teslas or any electric vehicle, time for them to start paying for using the roads.
https://pluginamerica.org/policy/ev-road-usage-fees/

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An EV that costs $35,000 before rebates would pay about $93 less per year in gas taxes than a comparable conventional sedan, but $101 more in average annual excise tax over the vehicle’s lifetime – as well as $908 more in sales tax. If the EV is priced over $60,000, then the EV pays far more in sales tax and excise tax.

Unlike gasoline vehicles, EVs run on electricity. Therefore, EV drivers pay taxes on the electricity used to charge the vehicles too. Many states and municipalities have taxes on electricity, either general sales taxes or special-purpose taxes. Punitive registration fees for BEVs would be a double tax, and for PHEV drivers this would be a triple tax.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: You Only Live Twice on July 17, 2021, 05:39:54 AM
But gasoline taxes are (supposedly) earmarked to roads, and electricity taxes are earmarked for ?
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 05:42:50 AM
But gasoline taxes are (supposedly) earmarked to roads, and electricity taxes are earmarked for ?

And our roads are in bad enough shape already.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
https://pluginamerica.org/policy/ev-road-usage-fees/
I’m calling complete bullshit on that website.

Higher sales taxes for a more expensive vehicle?  Boo fucking hoo. And sales taxes don’t go to the highway trust fund.  Sales taxes are purely state and local taxes.

Excise taxes?  Since when does a Tesla owner pay excise taxes?

Here’s the Federal Form 720. Someone want to show me where the electric vehicle excise tax is?  I’ll wait.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f720.pdf
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 17, 2021, 04:07:59 PM
I’m calling complete bullshit on that website.

Higher sales taxes for a more expensive vehicle?  Boo fucking hoo. And sales taxes don’t go to the highway trust fund.  Sales taxes are purely state and local taxes.

Excise taxes?  Since when does a Tesla owner pay excise taxes?

Here’s the Federal Form 720. Someone want to show me where the electric vehicle excise tax is?  I’ll wait.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f720.pdf

In Taxachusetts (aka maskachusetts), every vehicle owner pays excise to the commonwealth.  It's not a Federal tax, it's a local tax.

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: bflynn on July 17, 2021, 05:16:00 PM
NC also charges a tax special registration fee on electric vehicles.  The money is marked for road improvements.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 17, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
“Starting on January 1 [2020], over half of the states in America will collect an extra fee when motorists register an electric car. Meanwhile, some of the states without an electric car tax are planning to implement one sooner rather than later.” From: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/more-states-charging-electric-and-hybrid-car-tax-in-2020/ (https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/more-states-charging-electric-and-hybrid-car-tax-in-2020/)
And of course “As is often the case in government, there is no such thing as a freebie.”

This site appears current as of Dec 2020 and lists 28 states that have EV-specific taxes and fees:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx (https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx)
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: bflynn on July 18, 2021, 03:38:12 AM
Electric car taxes are not related to kicking 15 states out of the union.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2021, 04:25:06 AM
Electric car taxes are not related to kicking 15 states out of the union.

Sure it is. States implementing these taxes will lead to the feds doing it too, and mandating EVs and banning ICEes, and driving the states that don’t want to worship the fake climate change hysteria and its economy-destroying “solutions” to leave the union (or kick the other states out, however you look at it.)

Besides, even if it’s unrelated, is thread drift against the rules of conduct on this site?
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 05:27:20 AM
Thread locked pending review of the powerful God like moderators as they gather to bless everyone with a powerful decision!   Or something like that.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 18, 2021, 05:38:54 AM
Thread locked pending review of the powerful God like moderators as they gather to bless everyone with a powerful decision!   Or something like that.

God like moderators

or

God-like moderator

???

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 05:46:30 AM
God like moderators

or

God-like moderator

???

Bet you are a hoot at parties. 
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2021, 05:52:01 AM
God like moderators

or

God-like moderator

???

I think that was a dig at POA.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 18, 2021, 05:52:32 AM
Bet you are a hoot at parties.

don't loose your cool

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 05:55:46 AM
don't loose your cool

 Who’s losing their cool?   Maybe you should go over to the joke thread and fact check, as well as spell check all of the post there?
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 05:57:13 AM
I think that was a dig at POA.

Some of us don’t hang out on that POS supposed aviation forum.   
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2021, 07:14:16 AM
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

I wish a state like Texas or SD would stand up to the Feds on the constant illegal over reach.  Love to see the State NG at the border stopping Fed bureaucrats.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
Some of us don’t hang out on that POS supposed aviation forum.

I’ve been holding my nose and posting there a small bit lately just out of boredom and my favorite DW site has gone offline.  :'(
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 07:23:22 AM
I’ve been holding my nose and posting there a small bit lately just out of boredom and my favorite DW site has gone offline.  :'(

It’s a purely entertainment site as no real viable aviation topics are discussed there. 

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 18, 2021, 07:23:50 AM
I think that was a dig at POA.

Bingo
Title: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: nddons on July 18, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

I wish a state like Texas or SD would stand up to the Feds on the constant illegal over reach.  Love to see the State NG at the border stopping Fed bureaucrats.
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Anthony and Lucifer at the PIlot Spin Moderators Convention in Vegas. I’m the moderator taking the picture.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 18, 2021, 09:46:19 AM
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Anthony and Lucifer at the PIlot Spin Moderators Convention in Vegas. I’m the moderator taking the picture.

who is the blond woman?
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 10:41:08 AM
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Anthony and Lucifer at the PIlot Spin Moderators Convention in Vegas. I’m the moderator taking the picture.

I noticed your meme hasn’t used punctuation.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 18, 2021, 11:12:32 AM
who is the blond woman?

Lee Terri playing Mrs. Oveur.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
Lee Terri playing Mrs. Oveur.

“Roger”
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
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Anthony and Lucifer at the PIlot Spin Moderators Convention in Vegas. I’m the moderator taking the picture.

But, we're on instruments.
Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
But, we're on instruments.

Title: Re: To secede or not to secede....
Post by: Bob Noel on July 18, 2021, 11:50:34 AM
beat me to it

get it?