PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: JeffDG on March 20, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
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Utah, for the first time in 50 years, would vote for Clinton or Sanders over Trump:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273701-poll-clinton-sanders-would-beat-trump-in-utah (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273701-poll-clinton-sanders-would-beat-trump-in-utah)
“Any matchup in which Democrats are competitive in the state of Utah is shocking,” Chris Karpowitz, co-director of Brigham Young University’s Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy, told the Deseret News.
I've yet to see actual polling data (except n=1 polls of Trump himself) that put any "Blue" state into play, now he's putting "Red" states into competition.
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Oh, and for other matchups:
(http://img.deseretnews.com/images/article/graphic/1672421/1672421.jpg)
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Oh, and for other matchups:
(http://img.deseretnews.com/images/article/graphic/1672421/1672421.jpg)
That has to just infuriate the RINO's and leftists alike.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/
The nation’s Republicans are working against the clock to answer two key questions: Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?
An if he is likely to lose, has former President Gerald Ford time enough to challenge him for the GOP nomination?
The consensus among political experts is that time has probably already run out for Gerald Ford, though he still appears the stronger choice to beat Jimmy Carter in November.
But some experts caution: Don’t count Ronald Reagan out as a national candidate for the fall. He is not, they say, “a McGovern or a Goldwater” — fringe candidates who led their parties to one-sided defeats in 1972 and 1964. Intellectuals don’t want to take him seriously, but he does well with working-class voters. He would take the West, challenge President Carter in the South, and do well in the pivotal Midwest states like Ohio and Illinois, whose southern regions titled toward Carter in 1976, they say.
Back in March 1980 the establishment the establishment said the same thing about Ronald Reagan.
They said he could never defeat Jimmy Carter.
He was too divisive.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/)
Your boy ain't no Ronald Reagan.
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Your boy ain't no Ronald Reagan.
Not by a long shot. His only commonality with Reagan was stealing Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan to "make America great again."
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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I'll just leave this here as an alternative point of view with a little historical relevance, and to watch heads explode.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/KahunaGrande/Reagan-Trump_zps0t4rldq4.jpg)
'Gimp
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Reagan: Had principles that underlay his policy positions
Trump: Um....uh....
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Again, if it is between Hillary and Trump, I am voting for Trump.
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I'll just leave this here as an alternative point of view with a little historical relevance, and to watch heads explode.
'Gimp
Some are true.
But the "straight talk" and "humor" claim doesn't apply. President Reagan was a gentleman. Trump? not so much (to be kind)
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Just uncovered another Reagan comparison, I think the Gipper was the last one to get a majority on this question.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273727-poll-over-half-want-to-punch-trumps-face
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:( Let's hope the comparison list doesn't ultimately include an assassination attempt. :(
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Some are true.
But the "straight talk" and "humor" claim doesn't apply. President Reagan was a gentleman. Trump? not so much (to be kind)
This reminds me of a parable:
Gettin' the Mule's Attention
Adapted by Dr. Mike Lockett, The Normal Storyteller
A long time ago a farmer wanted to buy a mule from his neighbor. He asked the neighbor if the mule had any problems.
"Not a problem," the neighbor said. "This mule will do anything you ask. All you have to do is ask him nicely." The neighbor added, "Just make sure you never mistreat my mule."
The price for the mule was fair, so the farmer bought the mule. The very next day the farmer wanted to plow his field. He hitched the mule to the plow. The mule had no intention of pulling that plow!
The farmer said, "Git up!" But the mule paid no attention. The farmer tried talking nicely until his face almost turned blue. It did no good. So, he called his neighbor over.
The neighbor came right away. When he heard the problem, he walked over and picked up a two-by-four. He hit the mule right in the head. Then he whispered in the mule's ear. That mulee started plowing back and forth the field, turning the soil over without anyone standing behind the plow.
"I thought you said never to mistreat your mulee," stated the farmer. "You said all that I had to do was to talk nicely to him."
"Well," answered the neighbor. "You just have to get his attention first before talking to him."
Dr. Mike Lockett is an educator, storyteller and children's author from Normal, IL. Dr. Lockett has given more than 3000 programs across the USA and as far away as eastern Asia. Contact Mike by writing to Mike@mikelockett.com in order to book him for a storytelling program or young authors program or to inquire about purchasing his books and CDs. More stories and information about storytelling can be found at www.mikelockett.com
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Again, if it is between Hillary and Trump, I am voting for Trump.
If it's between Hillary and Cruz (or whomever the GOP installs at the convention, snubbing Trump who arrives with the right number of delegates), I'll write-in Bozo "You don't say" Schultz.
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I'll just leave this here as an alternative point of view with a little historical relevance, and to watch heads explode.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/KahunaGrande/Reagan-Trump_zps0t4rldq4.jpg)
'Gimp
Ronald Reagan evolved as a Conservative over decades, and was the Conservative movement's standard bearer over a decade before he ran for President.
Trump has evolved as a "conservative" over the last couple of years.
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Ronald Reagan evolved as a Conservative over decades, and was the Conservative movement's standard bearer over a decade before he ran for President.
Trump has evolved as a "conservative" over the last couple of years weeks
Actually he's still evolving. He contradicts his own positions in the same sentence sometimes, that's how little he cares about his policies.
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Reagan was polling 10 or more points below Carter at this time in 1980.
With respect to the whole 'punch him in the face' poll, it is interesting to see that some are apparently embracing the full vitriolic nature of political discourse brought to us by the radical Left.
Remember, Reagan survived an honest to God assassination attempt, bit tougher than a punch in the face.
I know you guys can't stand the comparison but it is the only valid comparison in this cycle and in fact since Reagan's election in 1980.
'Gimp
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Ronald Reagan evolved as a Conservative over decades, and was the Conservative movement's standard bearer over a decade before he ran for President.
Trump has evolved as a "conservative" over the last couple of years.
I keep hearing that as if saying it over and over will make people believe it.
I that is true, then why did Trump consider a run for the Republican nomination in 1988?
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I keep hearing that as if saying it over and over will make people believe it.
I that is true, then why did Trump consider a run for the Republican nomination in 1988?
I don't know. Why was he a registered Independence Party member and a registered Democratic Party member in the intervening years?
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"But let’s cut to the documents.
Trump’s political flip-flopping over the past quarter-century is best chronicled in the files of New York City’s Board of Elections, where the businessman’s assorted voter registration cards are stored. Here’s what they reveal:
* In July 1987, Trump first registered from his penthouse in Manhattan’s Trump Tower. He enrolled in the REPUBLICAN PARTY, listing his prior residence as his boyhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens.
* Twelve years later, in October 1999, Trump dumped the GOP, and enrolled in the INDEPENDENCE PARTY.
* Less than two years later, in August 2001, Trump again changed his party enrollment. This time, he emerged as a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
* He lasted eight years as a Democrat. In September 2009, Trump changed his affiliation, this time returning to the REPUBLICAN PARTY.
* As of press time, Trump’s latest party switch occurred six weeks ago, on December 21, when he again ditched the GOP. But instead of siding with a particular party, Trump checked off the box indicating “I DO NOT WISH TO ENROLL IN A PARTY.”
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/donald-trump-voter-history-764812
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* As of press time, Trump’s latest party switch occurred six weeks ago, on December 21, when he again ditched the GOP. But instead of siding with a particular party, Trump checked off the box indicating “I DO NOT WISH TO ENROLL IN A PARTY.”
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/donald-trump-voter-history-764812
Ok, that was a pretty good rebuttal:
But one minor point. Your link said "as of press time", but Press time was February 2, 2012
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I don't know. Why was he a registered Independence Party member and a registered Democratic Party member in the intervening years?
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"But let’s cut to the documents.
Trump’s political flip-flopping over the past quarter-century is best chronicled in the files of New York City’s Board of Elections, where the businessman’s assorted voter registration cards are stored. Here’s what they reveal:
* In July 1987, Trump first registered from his penthouse in Manhattan’s Trump Tower. He enrolled in the REPUBLICAN PARTY, listing his prior residence as his boyhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens.
* Twelve years later, in October 1999, Trump dumped the GOP, and enrolled in the INDEPENDENCE PARTY.
* Less than two years later, in August 2001, Trump again changed his party enrollment. This time, he emerged as a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
* He lasted eight years as a Democrat. In September 2009, Trump changed his affiliation, this time returning to the REPUBLICAN PARTY.
* As of press time, Trump’s latest party switch occurred six weeks ago, on December 21, when he again ditched the GOP. But instead of siding with a particular party, Trump checked off the box indicating “I DO NOT WISH TO ENROLL IN A PARTY.”
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/donald-trump-voter-history-764812
We've covered this all before.
Trump has been a Republican most of his adult life and is far more conservative than he is liberal - although clearly not a rock-ribbed conservative in the mold some on the right want.
He supported Reagan.
There was a serious 'draft Trump' movement, for the 1988 Republican primary season. Not Democrat, Republican.
He switched to the Reform Party in 2000 for reasons he explained (respect for his friend Jesse Ventura and to prevent Pat Buchanan from getting the nomination). His positions then are fairly similar to those he holds now, fiscally conservative, tough on trade, opposed to gun control - even his support for some kind of universal healthcare which he maintains (definitely not conservative I know, but consistent). You can't be in the same party running to oppose Pat Buchanan and be a Democrat on any planet in this universe (although the Reform Party did make for strange bed fellows).
He almost ran in 2012, as a Republican, not a Democrat.
I know it is popular to say he has flip-flopped or that he has no core principles but that is largely not true when you consider the full body of his life both in and out of politics, IMO.
'Gimp
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We've covered this all before.
Trump has been a Republican most of his adult life and is far more conservative than he is liberal - although clearly not a rock-ribbed conservative in the mold some on the right want.
He supported Reagan.
There was a serious 'draft Trump' movement, for the 1988 Republican primary season. Not Democrat, Republican.
He switched to the Reform Party in 2000 for reasons he explained (respect for his friend Jesse Ventura and to prevent Pat Buchanan from getting the nomination). His positions then are fairly similar to those he holds now, fiscally conservative, tough on trade, opposed to gun control - even his support for some kind of universal healthcare which he maintains (definitely not conservative I know, but consistent). You can't be in the same party running to oppose Pat Buchanan and be a Democrat on any planet in this universe (although the Reform Party did make for strange bed fellows).
He almost ran in 2012, as a Republican, not a Democrat.
I know it is popular to say he has flip-flopped or that he has no core principles but that is largely not true when you consider the full body of his life both in and out of politics, IMO.
'Gimp
I think I'll continue to maintain that he has no real core values (except for what benefits Donald Trump) and that is evidenced by flip-flopping political parties.
He spent virtually the entire Bush presidency as a DEMOCRAT. That is not ancient history.