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Title: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2021, 08:37:46 AM
Possibly by 2030?

https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-international/why-aviations-compass-is-shifting-towards-true-navigation/145663.article
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Little Joe on October 29, 2021, 08:46:42 AM
I wish they'd do it sooner than 2030.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 08:57:49 AM
If that “multiple technologies” works as well as my new “smart” hearing aids you can have it.  Give me simple back.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2021, 09:13:09 AM
If that “multiple technologies” works as well as my new “smart” hearing aids you can have it.  Give me simple back.
I agree with the idea of not being dependent on GPS for all navigation.

But is the magnetic compass really “simple” with all of the anomalies around and dip errors?
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
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Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2021, 09:16:39 AM
I agree with the idea of not being dependent on GPS for all navigation.

But is the magnetic compass really “simple” with all of the anomalies around and dip errors?

 I've flown 1000+ mile trips with a compass, a paper chart and a watch.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Little Joe on October 29, 2021, 09:41:41 AM
If that “multiple technologies” works as well as my new “smart” hearing aids you can have it.  Give me simple back.
There are still no hearing aids that can give hearing as good as normal, despite what the ads say.  But they are still pretty damn good and effective.
And complicated.
There are so many settings and parameters that the dispenser needs to be a technical artist.  I am lucky to have one of those, but in the 30 years prior to finding her I dealt with all sorts of audiology quacks.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 11:01:49 AM
There are still no hearing aids that can give hearing as good as normal, despite what the ads say.  But they are still pretty damn good and effective.
And complicated.
There are so many settings and parameters that the dispenser needs to be a technical artist.  I am lucky to have one of those, but in the 30 years prior to finding her I dealt with all sorts of audiology quacks.

I’m talking about my new “smart” ones as opposed to my old “dumb” ones. The quality of the sound is similar. The old ones connected to any Bluetooth in a dumb way. They were either connected or they weren’t. They connected to my iPhone and my iPad like any other Bluetooth device and they stay connected until I manually broke it, and they would stay connected to both simultaneously and pipe sound to me from whichever one I was using.

The new ones connect to my iPhone and iPad through an Apple accessibility setting and come with an App that I must open to access features. The things refuse to connect to both simultaneously but it doesn’t stop there. Say I disconnect them from one and turn the Bluetooth off and connect it to the other. The hearing aids will all on their own disconnect from that device if I so much as turn on the other device even though the Bluetooth on the other device is OFF. So now they aren’t connected to anything, and I don’t know it! My phone rings, it’s somebody important and now I have to deal with the call without the use of the aids. Apparently the “brain” in there is assuming I want to listen to the other device but it doesn’t connect because the Bluetooth setting is off. But it doesn’t reconnect to the original one, and it doesn’t inform me that it’s no longer connected to anything. I have to go through the complex pair process each time this happens.

The only way I can prevent that seems to be to “forget” the hearing aids and delete the app from whichever device I’m not using at the moment.  If I don’t do that, they will disconnect several times a day requiring me to power them down for ten seconds and then re-pair each one. Pairing isn’t just turning on the Bluetooth setting like with the old aids, pairing is going three layers deep into accessibility settings, apparently clearing out the whole cache and starting from scratch, every frickin time.

Plus every time I pick up my phone to do something unrelated to sound like use the calculator, it blocks out ambient noise. Say my husband is talking to me, I turn on my phone to look up something, it blocks him out for 5 seconds until it figures out I don’t want to listen to the phone. It assumes that just because I woke my phone up I want to hear only what’s coming from the phone.

It can be programmed to get rid of that I think, but there are times I want to block external sound. While I’m listening to videos and doing housework I want them completely blocked. But if I disable the feature that allows me to hear something that I want to, like my husband, then when I don’t want to, it chooses what to let in and what not to let in when I’m listening to a video. It blocks some stuff but allows other stuff on frequencies it thinks are human speech but actually are me pouring coffee beans into the grinder. I don’t want to hear that.

My old ones had a dumb button I could push. Push the button, block out external sound. Push it again, allow it in. The hearing aids didn’t make the decision I did.

I want my stupid hearing aids back.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 11:03:38 AM
I agree with the idea of not being dependent on GPS for all navigation.

But is the magnetic compass really “simple” with all of the anomalies around and dip errors?

Dealing with magnetic compass was child’s play compared to any “smart” device I come across. I hate them all. Get off my lawn!
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2021, 01:02:46 PM
I've flown 1000+ mile trips with a compass, a paper chart and a watch.

I did most of my early flying after my private that way as well. I think my flights to all of the paved public use airports in AZ were done that way. I enjoyed the challenge of finding airports and figuring out how to land on them.

Some articles I wrote about it which might be of interest:

https://azpilots.org/commentary/50600-unusual-paved-public-use-airports-in-arizona
https://azpilots.org/commentary/50606-some-other-notable-airports-in-ariozna
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2021, 01:05:03 PM
I’m talking about my new “smart” ones as opposed to my old “dumb” ones. .... The things refuse to connect to both simultaneously but it doesn’t stop there.

This sounds bad. What brand are they? I want to avoid them on my next set.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: TimRB on October 29, 2021, 01:24:13 PM
Some thoughts, given that I think this is a solution in search of a problem...

Since we are in the GPS era, I suppose (I don't have a state-of-the-art GPS, so I don't know) most GPSs nowadays will give you a true heading to fly if you want one.  Otherwise, since it knows where you are and probably knows the local variation better than you, it can give you a magnetic heading to fly if you want one.  I presume the GPS unit will display your heading, true or magnetic, as you desire. (Or maybe course rather than heading.  Can these things figure out what the wind is doing, too?)

If you are flying a Luddite plane like mine, you can always dial up the true heading on your directional indicator if you want.  Otherwise, pilots have somehow managed to get where they're going using magnetic compasses for over a hundred years.

Will airports be required to paint new numbers on their runways if true and magnetic aren't close enough together?  If not, then we'll have a system that mixes the two, which is bound to be a source of confusion.  Oh, and since the aviation system is standardized world-wide, everyone everywhere would have to paint new numbers; otherwise that would be another confusion source.

If they really want to change something, how about making the radios be FM rather than AM?

Tim






Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 01:42:55 PM
This sounds bad. What brand are they? I want to avoid them on my next set.

Signia.  But I am strongly suspecting the fault has something to do with Apple and iDevice connectivity. Other than the behavior on those devices they are fine, superior even. I got the rechargeable and I love it. No more batteries, and no more opening and closing the compartment. Also they are far less susceptible to sweat. My old ones would cut out when I’d mow grass for example and have a headset on over them and got all sweaty. These do fine in that circumstance. They are a bit smaller and more comfortable too. I am going back to the guy in a few weeks and we’ll see if there’s something I’m doing wrong with the settings causing these problems.  It’s like everything else these days, more “features” means more complexity hence more problems. But the whole world is going that way.
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2021, 03:13:54 PM
I wish they'd do it sooner than 2030.
How are you impacted by not having this “change”?
Title: Re: Shifting from magnetic to true headings
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2021, 04:37:57 PM
If they really want to change something, how about making the radios be FM rather than AM?

Had to look that up as I had not realized that band used AM. Some sites have said this is because of the FM capture effect which is not experienced by AM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_effect

And yes, they discuss how many of the runway markings in a given jurisdictional area will need to be repainted.