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Title: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Jaybird180 on March 25, 2016, 02:20:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Republicansareidiots1/videos/1125800230775174/ (https://www.facebook.com/Republicansareidiots1/videos/1125800230775174/)
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Bob Noel on March 25, 2016, 04:10:06 PM
proof that it's trivially easy to find idiots.

Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: LevelWing on March 25, 2016, 04:44:56 PM
Didn't you post a video from this lady before? The video was also posted by "Americans Against the Republican Party" which should tell you a lot from the start.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Jaybird180 on March 26, 2016, 06:26:45 AM
No comments about the content of her message? No wonder we get nowhere.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: nddons on March 26, 2016, 07:07:55 AM
No comments about the content of her message? No wonder we get nowhere.
There are 1,440 minutes in the day. I'm not going to waste one of those listening to anyone posting in a Facebook group with that title.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Little Joe on March 26, 2016, 08:19:03 AM
I might agree with a few things she says.  Like "Racism is learned"  Racism is taught to children.

But I"m not so sure I agree with her conclusions of WHO is doing the teaching, or how to cure racism.

Racism is taught to children by their parents, the media, their friends and by experience.

Feel to chime in here on my opinions, but I think racism being taught to children by parents is on a "uuuuuuuuge" decline.
Likewise with regards to friends.  It is just not as acceptable as it used to be.  A mixed couple can walk down the street hand-in-hand today and it has minuscule response as compared to a generation or two ago.

I think today's racism is learned primarily from the news media, social media and personal experience.

And at the risk of "blaming the victim" here, I believe black people have to take the lead in reducing teaching racism by example.  For one thing, racism doesn't negatively affect me as much as it affects blacks, so I (speaking generically for white people) don't have the same motivation to end racism as black people do (or should).

Jaybird, as much as I respect and admire you, I think your constant rants about racism has a reverse effect.  You put those of us that genuinely want to do our part to help on the defensive.  You make us want to point out how you are wrong.  And once people take sides, it only gets worse.

Here is my advice to you and all blacks, and you can take it for what it is worth and reject it if you wish, but I think you would be much better served to point out the good things you do.  Black history month may be a good start, but again, it puts white kids on the defensive and it tries to draw distinctions.  Instead, point out the good things you do and see.  You seem to be successful.  Expand more on that.  Tell us about how you and other blacks succeeded in the face of diversity instead of drilling home how your (the generic black person) failures are someone else's (my) fault.

Tell us about success stories so that we see that success is a black goal, just like it is a white goal.

I admit that I am surprised when I walk into a meeting with a bunch of experts, and see that some of them are black.  Is that racist of me  Maybe, but I am genuinely happy to see that, even if I am surprised.  Conversely, I am not surprised when I see a news story about a rape or murder and see that the perp is black.  I am saddened, but not surprised.  Is that racist of me?  If so, how do we change that?  Do we stop reporting black crime?  Newspapers already tend to leave out the race if the perp is black, but race is in the first sentence if the perp is white.  Maybe if crime was condoned and tolerated less by the black neighborhoods there would be less black crime to report.  Perhaps if entire neighborhoods would not clam up when police are looking for suspects the image of condoning and tolerating crime by blacks would be reduced, thereby reducing the teaching of racism by example.

Just a few thoughts.   Curing racism is going to take effort by everyone.  But not everyone feels that have a dog in the fight.  Those of us that feel motivated to help need to go out of the way to reduce the teaching of racism by example.


Just my two cents worth.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on March 26, 2016, 09:17:57 AM
No comments about the content of her message? No wonder we get nowhere.

No.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Mase on March 26, 2016, 09:22:21 AM
"If you judge people by the color of their skin, you have a mental problem."

I agree.  This proves Sharpton, Jackson, et al are nuts.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Little Joe on March 26, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
"If you judge people by the color of their skin, you have a mental problem."

I agree.  This proves Sharpton, Jackson, et al are nuts.
I agree with that 100%.

But that doesn't mean we don't have a racial problem in America.

On the other hand, I thought things were getting better, up until the beer summit, when Obama started his drive to make things worse.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: FastEddieB on March 26, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
No comments about the content of her message?

Nope. Didn't read it.

Racism is not a hot button issue with me.

I try not to be racist. That's pretty much where my involvement, and interest, ends.

Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Mase on March 26, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
Nope. Didn't read it.



Clearly.  It is not a read, it is a short video, of a rather screwball nutcase expounding, while the multi-millionaire Oprah looks on.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Mase on March 26, 2016, 12:09:36 PM

On the other hand, I thought things were getting better, up until the beer summit, when Obama started his drive to make things worse.

"Clearly, the police acted stupidly."

Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: FastEddieB on March 26, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Clearly.  It is not a read, it is a short video, of a rather screwball nutcase expounding, while the multi-millionaire Oprah looks on.

Thank you.

I did not watch, read, enjoin, masticate, consider, ponder, peruse nor otherwise interact with said post.

Did that cover all the bases?

Racism. Yawn.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Number7 on March 26, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
The supposition that all racism is a white problem, meaning only white people are racist, is as idiotic as claiming that only red necks like NASCAR. The kinds of people babbling about racism are often the most racist people of all.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 26, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
What we're discussing is bigotry and not racism.  Hitler believed in racism.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: FastEddieB on March 26, 2016, 05:06:46 PM
What we're discussing is bigotry and not racism.  Hitler believed in racism.

I just made certain assumptions from the thread's creator and title.

My bad.  :P
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: FastEddieB on March 26, 2016, 05:07:46 PM
What we're discussing is bigotry and not racism.  Hitler believed in racism.


I just made certain assumptions from the thread's creator and title.

My bad.  :P
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: You Only Live Twice on March 26, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
Clearly.  It is not a read, it is a short video, of a rather screwball nutcase expounding, while the billionaire multi-millionaire Oprah looks on.
FTFY
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: FastEddieB on March 26, 2016, 06:18:34 PM
What we're discussing is bigotry and not racism.

I probably made some assumptions from both the thread title and its author.

Easy mistake!
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Kristin on March 26, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
Who was that idiot woman?

First of all, one must define what they mean by "racism".  It has become an elastic term that guilt-ridden liberals like to toss around so much in order to spread the guilt round that it has rather lost a coherent meaning.  We need to separate from the innately human fear-of-the-other.  We see that behavior through all cultures and races.  We also need to separate it out from class, as that gets all mixed up in there too.

So exactly what behaviors or characteristics might we use to identify a racist?
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Jaybird180 on March 27, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
What we're discussing is bigotry and not racism.  Hitler believed in racism.
Aha!


Just had this discussion yesterday - the Mrs. and I.  I am thinking that most of the problems that we point out now are really cases of discrimination that gets mislabeled racism.  Which brings up the question some time ago, of "What is racism?"  How do we define or describe it?
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Mase on March 27, 2016, 04:22:04 PM
Aha!


"What is racism?"  How do we define or describe it?

The belief in the superiority or inferiority  of individuals based on race and the discrimination thus attached.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Username on March 27, 2016, 06:03:04 PM
But those are two separate points.  Racism and discrimination.  You can have one without the other.  I can be racist (a belief that really doesn't hurt anyone) and I can discriminate (a bad thing unless the "correct" people do it).
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 27, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Aha!


Just had this discussion yesterday - the Mrs. and I.  I am thinking that most of the problems that we point out now are really cases of discrimination that gets mislabeled racism.  Which brings up the question some time ago, of "What is racism?"  How do we define or describe it?

The term racism has been so misused that I believe they just went ahead and changed the freaking dictionary.

http://www.sagamoreinstitute.org/ao/index/article/id/1687
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Mase on March 27, 2016, 07:14:22 PM
That is an extremely long dissertation but I will attempt to set aside some time later to try to grasp the main points.
Title: Re: Cure Racism in America???
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 03, 2016, 09:56:16 AM
The belief in the superiority or inferiority  of individuals based on race and the discrimination thus attached.
I previously pressed the Like button on this but now change my response because it fails the grammar standard.

Racist and Racism are compound words, having a root word and a suffix, -ist or -ism with the former indicating a person practicing a thing, profession or art form and the latter being the collection in its entirety. The root word isn't nor does it imply and malice, so why does the practioner of a non-malicious thing get a bad rap? I think someone made a play on words and the joke is all on us.