PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 09:01:19 AM
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I’ve generally been opposed to economic sanctions because they hurt common people, not the rich elite in charge.
And so they are in Russia right now, big time. The value of their cash has plummeted, there are runs on banks, digital pay platforms are being blocked as well as major credit cards. I can imagine this is putting many not-rich Russians in crisis, unable to access basic necessities, the very Russians who are morally opposed to the war in Ukraine. It punishes the civilians on the right side, who hate what Putin is doing and does absolutely nothing to hurt Putin himself.
On the other hand, better economic sanctions than to drop a nuke on Moscow. And what’s the alternative- do nothing? The theory is that this will make the people rise up against Putin and force him to end the war. Does this actually ever work? Has it worked in Iran or North Korea? I don’t know my history, somebody tell me of a case where it worked.
I am at a loss as to my opinion on what the hell we should do. We should have armed Ukraine when they asked us to, when Obama/Biden were in charge and said no. We should have invited them into NATO long since. Ukraine wants to join the west, and the younger Russian citizens want to join the west in the sense of participation in the western economy, cultural connections and adopting “liberal democracy”. Instead they have now a de facto dictator that wants to drag them back into an oppressive Soviet Union.
I’m not sure it’s not too late now to do anything about Putin. The Russians will have to take him out themselves. My question is: do economic sanctions really encourage that? Or do they backfire, and cause the people to turn against those imposing them? We need Russian civilians to continue to be on our side.
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I am at a loss as to my opinion on what we should do. We should have armed Ukraine when they asked us to, when Obama/Biden were in charge and said no.
We should never taken away their arms in the first place. Do you think this would be happening if Ukraine still had their 7000 nukes?
This is why you never give up your guns.
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Yes, the sanctions are hurting the Russian people. But they are also targeted at the Russian Oligarchs, and they are getting hit badly. Assets frozen, Ruble falling, yachts kicked out of ports around the globe.
That might be what finally takes down Putin. I just hope he doesn’t get so angry that he goes nuke, even battlefield nuke.
140 nations out of 190 are against Russia, and many are imposing their own sanctions.
I’m sorry about the Russian citizens, but we can’t change Russia from the outside. It has to come from the inside. I think this is the way to do it.
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When sanctions were applied to Japan they attacked Pearl Harbor.
Sanctions don't seem to work against nations, though I see claims they've worked against smaller groups.
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On the other hand, better economic sanctions than to drop a nuke on Moscow.
Those should not be the only two options. Unfortunately, Beta Boy Biden has no moral authority and no will to do more.
If Ronald Reagan had gone on TV and said "Nobody wants war, but once again a madman in Europe is forcing the United States into it", we would have sighed, regretted what life threw at us, and then come together to go fix it. If Biden said that, people would think it was a joke. He has no leadership, no real authority, and therefore no power.
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But they are also targeted at the Russian Oligarchs, and they are getting hit badly.
I'm sure they're crying in their champagne and caviar.
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I'm sure they're crying in their champagne and caviar.
They don’t get to be oligarchs without being supremely connected in the highest levels of the Russian government.
French authorities seized a massive yacht linked to oligarch Igor Sechin. He previously was deputy prime minister under Putin.
Germany seized Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov’s 500 foot super yacht.
Two more were seized by the EU.
Oligarchs may be super rich, but I’m also sure they have thin skin and don’t like being shut down. They could impose pressure on Putin just so they can get back to their lavish lifestyles.
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Spot on. This is the most frightening thing about all of this second to the chance of nuclear holocaust. We saw this actually happen here in the west just last month with Trudeau freezing citizens’ bank accounts and shutting down their livelihoods by canceling insurance and commercial licenses. Our lives are written in digital databases and completely dependent on their ongoing stability. Our literal survival that is, ability to eat. Unless you’re off the grid and grow all your own food.