PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jim Logajan on December 28, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
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From Table 3 and Table 5 of https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2022-population-estimates.html (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2022-population-estimates.html)
Top 10 States in Percent Growth: 2021 to 2022 (July 1 to July 1)
Rank State Percent Growth
1 Florida 1.9%
2 Idaho 1.8%
3 South Carolina 1.7%
4 Texas 1.6%
5 South Dakota 1.5%
6 Montana 1.5%
7 Delaware 1.4%
8 Arizona 1.3%
9 North Carolina 1.3%
10 Utah 1.2%
Top 10 States in Percent Decline: 2021 to 2022 (July 1 to July 1j
Rank State Percent Decline
1 New York -0.9%
2 Illinois -0.8%
3 Louisiana -0.8%
4 West Virginia -0.6%
5 Hawaii -0.5%
6 Oregon -0.4%
7 Mississippi -0.3%
8 Pennsylvania -0.3%
9 Rhode Island -0.3%
10 California -0.3%
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I understand that for raw numbers, more cali-mexi-fornia has the most outbound citizens of all 57 (obama-biden math) states.
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I understand that for raw numbers, more cali-mexi-fornia has the most outbound citizens of all 57 (obama-biden math) states.
According to the Census Bureau Table 4 it was New York that had the highest numeric decline with California hot on its heels.
Top 10 States in Numeric Decline: 2021 to 2022
Rank State Numeric Decline
1 New York -180,341
2 California -113,649
3 Illinois -104,437
4 Pennsylvania -40,051
5 Louisiana -36,857
6 Oregon -16,164
7 West Virginia -10,370
8 Maryland -9,950
9 Mississippi -9,529
10 Ohio -8,284
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According to the Census Bureau Table 4 it was New York that had the highest numeric decline with California hot on its heels.
Top 10 States in Numeric Decline: 2021 to 2022
Rank State Numeric Decline
1 New York -180,341
2 California -113,649
3 Illinois -104,437
4 Pennsylvania -40,051
5 Louisiana -36,857
6 Oregon -16,164
7 West Virginia -10,370
8 Maryland -9,950
9 Mississippi -9,529
10 Ohio -8,284
All those damn New Yorkers seem to be coming to Florida. Four of the five families that moved into our neighborhood in the past 18 months are from New York.
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All those damn New Yorkers seem to be coming to Florida. Four of the five families that moved into our neighborhood in the past 18 months are from New York.
How do you get 10 yeankees into a VW Bug?
Put a sign on it saying 'Going to Texas!'
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I should have pointed out:
Most of the states gaining population are red states.
Most of the states losing population are blue states.
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How do you get 10 yeankees into a VW Bug?
Put a sign on it saying 'Going to Texas!'
They're DAMN Yankees and they are nauseating. They've also invaded suburban Philly as taxes and other cost are lower than NY, NJ, MA, CT, etc.
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They're DAMN Yankees and they are nauseating. They've also invaded suburban Philly as taxes and other cost are lower than NY, NJ, MA, CT, etc.
That says a lot.
I remember moving to Philly in the '70s for a job that I thought paid quite well.
Then I got my first paycheck.
Federal Tax.
SS.
FICA.
State tax.
Local tax.
+a few other taxes I don't remember. I think SEPTA had a separate cut of my salary, but I'm not sure that is right.
Bottom line was that my paycheck was substantially less than half the gross. This on top of rent, groceries, car insurance and everything else costing more.
Then I moved to Florida.
Rent was less.
Groceries were less.
Insurance was less.
No state tax.
No Federal tax.
BEER WAS A LOT LESS!
Suddenly I had money to spend on essential things, like women and booze and still able to put money in the bank and stock market.
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That says a lot.
I remember moving to Philly in the '70s for a job that I thought paid quite well.
Then I got my first paycheck.
Federal Tax.
SS.
FICA.
State tax.
Local tax.
+a few other taxes I don't remember. I think SEPTA had a separate cut of my salary, but I'm not sure that is right.
Bottom line was that my paycheck was substantially less than half the gross. This on top of rent, groceries, car insurance and everything else costing more.
Then I moved to Florida.
Rent was less.
Groceries were less.
Insurance was less.
No state tax.
No Federal tax.
BEER WAS A LOT LESS!
Suddenly I had money to spend on essential things, like women and booze and still able to put money in the bank and stock market.
No federal tax?
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Suddenly I had money to spend on essential things, like women and booze and still able to put money in the bank and stock market.
They're the important things!!!
My Property and Real Estate taxes (both tax only real estate) have gone up dramatically in the last ten years. PA has the second highest Gasoline tax in the country. The Democrats raised PA Income Tax dramatically. We have a 6% Sales Tax. Many municipalities charge an Income Tax as do Counties. There is an Occupational Privilege Tax in many areas. So, if OUR taxes and cost of living are lower compared to the rest of the Northeast, you know they've got to be outrageously expensive.
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No federal tax?
Oops.
No CITY tax, or local tax.
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They're the important things!!!
My Property and Real Estate taxes (both tax only real estate) have gone up dramatically in the last ten years. PA has the second highest Gasoline tax in the country. The Democrats raised PA Income Tax dramatically. We have a 6% Sales Tax. Many municipalities charge an Income Tax as do Counties. There is an Occupational Privilege Tax in many areas. So, if OUR taxes and cost of living are lower compared to the rest of the Northeast, you know they've got to be outrageously expensive.
What the **** is an "Occupational Privilege Tax"?
I'm in taxachusetts (aka maskachusetts) and I've never heard of such a thing...
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What the **** is an "Occupational Privilege Tax"?
I'm in taxachusetts (aka maskachusetts) and I've never heard of such a thing...
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The "occupation" refers to you occupying a city. Your "privilege" is you live there and benefit from its services or whatever. The tax hits businesses and employees for just existing there, as opposed to an income tax on what they produce there.
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As a recent Fl transplant, I'm here to tell you insurance here is a LOT more expensive.
That says a lot.
I remember moving to Philly in the '70s for a job that I thought paid quite well.
Then I got my first paycheck.
Federal Tax.
SS.
FICA.
State tax.
Local tax.
+a few other taxes I don't remember. I think SEPTA had a separate cut of my salary, but I'm not sure that is right.
Bottom line was that my paycheck was substantially less than half the gross. This on top of rent, groceries, car insurance and everything else costing more.
Then I moved to Florida.
Rent was less.
Groceries were less.
Insurance was less.
No state tax.
No Federal tax.
BEER WAS A LOT LESS!
Suddenly I had money to spend on essential things, like women and booze and still able to put money in the bank and stock market.
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As a recent Fl transplant, I'm here to tell you insurance here is a LOT more expensive.
What type of insurance? Home, car, plane???
Or all? And why?
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As a recent Fl transplant, I'm here to tell you insurance here is a LOT more expensive.
For what insurance, and more expensive than where?
Yeah, windstorm insurance is more expensive, as is flood insurance.
And car insurance is kind of expensive because of all the New Yorkers crowding our highways and driving like, well, like New Yorkers.
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As a recent Fl transplant, I'm here to tell you insurance here is a LOT more expensive.
Allegedly a new Florida law may help reduce insurance rates:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-desantis-heads-off-a-bailout-florida-citizens-property-insurance-corporation-lawsuits-11671487773 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-desantis-heads-off-a-bailout-florida-citizens-property-insurance-corporation-lawsuits-11671487773)
Ron DeSantis Heads Off a Taxpayer Insurance Bailout
Florida passes a reform to address a broken property insurance market.
Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans have managed a rare policy feat: Constructive insurance reform. This month the Florida Governor signed legislation to prevent the state’s property insurance market from collapsing under a tidal wave of lawsuits that could blow a hole in the state budget.
Democrats call the reform a bailout for insurers that will raise homeowner premiums. The truth is that it fixes a legal racket that allowed windfalls for trial lawyers that have caused homeowner insurance premiums to spike and caused numerous insurers to become insolvent and exit the market.
Florida insurers faced more than 100,000 lawsuits last year claiming $7.8 billion in damages, while the other 49 states faced a total of 24,700 claiming $2.4 billion. Between 2016 and 2021, property insurer litigation costs doubled to more than $3 billion. Hurricane risk is partly responsible. But so are plaintiff attorneys’ fees, which account for 71% of insurer legal costs while only 8% has gone to policy holders.
The reason? Florida law has allowed policy holders who want to avoid dealing directly with their insurance companies to assign their claim benefits to contractors who work with trial lawyers. The contractors would often inflate charges, which were often rejected by insurers. Attorneys then sue insurers to obtain what they say are legitimate charges. Insurers have been required to pay the attorneys’ costs if they lose a case. As a result, insurers have been inundated with frivolous lawsuits.
Many insurers have settled and raised premiums to cover legal costs and risks. Florida’s property insurance premiums are the highest in the U.S.—$4,231 on average annually—and nearly triple the U.S. average. While the Sunshine State’s low taxes have attracted newcomers, high property premiums are making it less affordable to buy and own a home.(...)
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What type of insurance? Home, car, plane???
Or all? And why?
All of the above. I don't live near any water. Inland, never had major storm damage in the area. Plane went up 50% "because Florida." I had three cars in previous northern state, one now, same premium. House, 700 sq ft smaller, is $2400/yr with a big "wind" deductible. At least I'm not paying state/local income taxes.
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For what insurance, and more expensive than where?
Yeah, windstorm insurance is more expensive, as is flood insurance.
And car insurance is kind of expensive because of all the New Yorkers crowding our highways and driving like, well, like New Yorkers.
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I was told that auto is high because many uninsured.
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No federal tax?
Joe was born in 1892, so he was 21 years old when the 16th amendment was ratified.