PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on July 01, 2023, 10:37:29 AM
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Elon has implemented temporary but drastic restrictions on how many posts you can view or reply, etc. in an effort to weed out bots that are “scraping” the platform, whatever the hell that is. Try to do something and you get pop ups telling you that you are “rate limited”.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672
I can only READ 600 posts a day? You can hit 600 in no time just scrolling. This is nuts.
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The communist are trying to destroy Twitter. The "Free Speech" is a threat to their democracy.
You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now.
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The communist are trying to destroy Twitter. The "Free Speech" is a threat to their democracy.
You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now.
I’ve been expecting more direct attacks on Elon himself but this makes sense, they will try attacking the platform itself first. Probably some federal agency behind it.
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I’ve been expecting more direct attacks on Elon himself but this makes sense, they will try attacking the platform itself first. Probably some federal agency behind it.
The communist are getting ready to launch an alternative, so they need to destroy Twitter. Free Speech is an endangerment to the narrative and they must regain control. At any cost.
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Before Elon, you'd be "Race limited" on what you see and what you post.
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Before Elon, you'd be "Race limited" on what you see and what you post.
And before the recent SCOTUS ruling you’d be “race limited” if you were white or Asian applying to college. Now they’ll have to discriminate in more subtle ways.
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Elon has implemented temporary but drastic restrictions on how many posts you can view or reply, etc. in an effort to weed out bots that are “scraping” the platform, whatever the hell that is.
Web scraping programs are used to "browse" web sites in order to extract their usable content. Because they run thousands of times faster than a human would browse a site they can bog down the server. Most scraping libraries contain a courtesy setting that allows the programmer to reduce the browsing rate so as to not monopolize the capacity of the server. Either the scrapers are running their programs at full speed or there are suddenly a lot of them doing the same thing. Or maybe both.
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Web scraping programs are used to "browse" web sites in order to extract their usable content. Because they run thousands of times faster than a human would browse a site they can bog down the server. Most scraping libraries contain a courtesy setting that allows the programmer to reduce the browsing rate so as to not monopolize the capacity of the server. Either the scrapers are running their programs at full speed or there are suddenly a lot of them doing the same thing. Or maybe both.
I guess it’s useless to say that ought to be illegal.
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I guess it’s useless to say that ought to be illegal.
Yup. Search engines have to do it in order to allow searching of web sites. If a web site doesn't want to be scraped there is a voluntary standard wherein a web site uses a file called robots.txt. Web crawlers that see that file need not honor it, but as a courtesy all the main search engines allegedly do honor it. Some miscreants of course don't.
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Yup. Search engines have to do it in order to allow searching of web sites. If a web site doesn't want to be scraped there is a voluntary standard wherein a web site uses a file called robots.txt. Web crawlers that see that file need not honor it, but as a courtesy all the main search engines allegedly do honor it. Some miscreants of course don't.
Some of the miscreants being government surveillance right? I mean I can think of only two reasons these things exist. 1) Private entities either marketing for profit or nefarious purposes (AI training could be a crossover in both those categories), or 2) government building profiles to find “terrorists” such as parents interested in what their kids are learning in school. Am I right? Too paranoid? Leaving something out?
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Looks like I was right! Nefarious actors AND government operatives. Here’s a fantastic explanation, taken from a Twitter post by someone called @misteryrobozo:
Some people asked me to share what I just shared in a space about the rate limits. I don't work for Twitter but, I do architect IT cloud solutions as my day job.
It is temporary. Twitter's rate limiting is not what everyone is thinking it is. It is not to punish non-paying users.
"Data scraping" is a big deal. This is where automated systems load the website or app and pull your tweets/data. It's a huge security issue. Automated systems are pulling every tweet/word/user account information to store in an unknown database somewhere else.
This could be state actors like China, the US Government, Australia, or other bad political actors like PAC's that are trying to gain access to everyone's information to analyze and use for nefarious things. Manipulating what is said on the site can be done at scale with data scrapping.
It could also be used to figure out the identity of Anons or to punish people in their country for what they tweet. Looking at you #Australia and #Canada and #UnitedKingdom
The temporary measures of limiting tweets is to protect users just as much as it is to protect the entire Twitter network from going down. They are currently scrambling to get ahead of this and tune their network security to block it from happening again.
It's also important to note that twitter has 500,000+ servers. That's not free. In cloud data centers, the companies that use them have to pay for what is called "ingress and egress" of data going "in and out" of the servers. A data scrapping event that is large enough for them to start limiting means that it was a MASSIVE event that could be considered an attack on the site. It would also put massive load on their servers and cost them so much money it could threaten the site's financial ability to keep running. It could be on purpose to put twitter out of business from cost alone.
Many people are misunderstanding why
@elonmusk
wants people to pay for twitter or for the twitter API (a programming interface that can pull data for other sites and apps).
The reason he wants people to pay is because if China or porn companies want to create massive bot farms of fake accounts, it is currently free. These bad actors are highly skilled and operate like a business. They have professional staff that continuously change their tactics and Twitter engineers have to fight 24/7 to stay ahead of them. If they have to pay for every account or pay to use the API, it would cost them A LOT of money. This limits the amount of people who could create bots, put automated porn on here, and the hacking/scrapping/DDOS attacks on the site. It protects you.
It also guarantees twitter will continue to exist without bloating it with tons of ads. This is all a part of the plan to create a free-speech place we can enjoy without being controlled by outside actors or advertising companies. I know $8 is a lot to some people but, it is for many reasons. None of the reasons are to hurt or punish people.
https://twitter.com/misteryrobozo/status/1675217396670291971
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Now that I understand what’s at stake I just might pay the $8 for the verified account. Elon needs to be supported. He is the most important person right now defending free speech.
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Now that I understand what’s at stake I just might pay the $8 for the verified account. Elon needs to be supported. He is the most important person right now defending free speech.
Agreed. While it did cross my mind that this was just a scheme for Elon to get my $8/month, I find that I do read Twitter enough so that becoming verified is worth it.
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Agreed. While it did cross my mind that this was just a scheme for Elon to get my $8/month, I find that I do read Twitter enough so that becoming verified is worth it.
I didn’t know at first that I would like Twitter or stick with it, but I am finding that it’s actually been my first source for breaking news. Instead of relying on legacy stations or having to go to websites, I’m becoming informed of the basics more quickly than before. Then I can dig into details by following links or listening to analysts. And the ability to interact with anyone, no matter how famous, is interesting although that’s really only theoretical. The really famous people probably never even see my tweets. But the only somewhat famous do, and sometimes even respond to a tweet or even a DM. Dave Rubin responded to me once, and liked another of my tweets. ;D
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In the night I realized these attacks could be sponsored to stop Tucker from metronomically exposing the deep state. He’s on fire and holding nothing back. And tens of millions are seeing it. Prior to this scraping situation and limitations, I could share Twitter links even not being a registered user. Now I can’t, and can’t even read Twitter at all. I think they’re really scared of Tucker.
I feel there is a lot at stake here. Twitter had become “almost” free speech. I say almost because I’ve been on Gab for years and it is truly free. Recently Andrew Torba reported the General Accounting Office (?) contacted him requesting his participation as CEO of Gab in a study about domestic extremism and social media. His reply below, which I think is blisteringly awesome. If Twitter and Gab were to go down, all the smaller sites are toast as well.
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In the night I realized these attacks could be sponsored to stop Tucker from metronomically exposing the deep state. He’s on fire and holding nothing back. And tens of millions are seeing it. Prior to this scraping situation and limitations, I could share Twitter links even not being a registered user. Now I can’t, and can’t even read Twitter at all. I think they’re really scared of Tucker.
I feel there is a lot at stake here. Twitter had become “almost” free speech. I say almost because I’ve been on Gab for years and it is truly free. Recently Andrew Torba reported the General Accounting Office (?) contacted him requesting his participation as CEO of Gab in a study about domestic extremism and social media. His reply below, which I think is blisteringly awesome. If Twitter and Gab were to go down, all the smaller sites are toast as well.
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That reply absolutely nails it. And demonstrates why we are now one more stolen election away from a totalitarian state with no constraints, and no moral compass whatsoever.
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That reply absolutely nails it. And demonstrates why we are now one more stolen election away from a totalitarian state with no constraints, and no moral compass whatsoever.
This is precisely why the communist are persecuting anyone who speaks out about 2020. They know what they did, they bragged about what they did and they've seen the evidence. Now they have to protect "The Big Lie".
Interestingly enough, they cried 2016 was stolen (from them) and created the largest most corrupt political operation against a sitting president in history. Then they had the audacity to tell us that 2020 was the most secure election ever.
Right now they are gearing up the "2024 was stolen" narrative in case a republican wins.
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This is precisely why the communist are persecuting anyone who speaks out about 2020. They know what they did, they bragged about what they did and they've seen the evidence. Now they have to protect "The Big Lie".
Interestingly enough, they cried 2016 was stolen (from them) and created the largest most corrupt political operation against a sitting president in history. Then they had the audacity to tell us that 2020 was the most secure election ever.
Right now they are gearing up the "2024 was stolen" narrative in case a republican wins.
The Trump induced "Insurrection/Coup" was another huge LIE by the Democrats and MEDIA.
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It fits with the Biden handler action a few weeks ago … massive money dump into expanding internet access. Really, they want every little hamlet and remote dweller and impoverished city dweller to have the internet access, ‘cuz they’re for the little guy!!!
But why, if they’re afraid of free speech? Because ultimately the plan is that their internet will allow only their words.
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The Trump induced "Insurrection/Coup" was another huge LIE by the Democrats and MEDIA.
Of course. The first and only "insurection" where no one brought guns. ::)
The democrat communist wanted the narrative changed to insurrection so they could invoke the 14th amendment to prevent Trump from running again, and the other part of the equation was to jail, try and convict protesters as a warning to other Americans not to speak out.
FJB even had to be surrounded by 20,000 troops to take the oath of office, again to show Americans that the regime could proceed and everyone was to keep quiet.
Look, this is no secret what happened in 2020 (and 2022). Only a certifiable idiot can try to say nothing nefarious took place. 2020 is the year that the republican party signalled surrender to the democrat communist and joined their ranks. If the communist steal 2024, or they allow a UniParty RINO to become president, we are screwed as a country.
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It fits with the Biden handler action a few weeks ago … massive money dump into expanding internet access. Really, they want every little hamlet and remote dweller and impoverished city dweller to have the internet access, ‘cuz they’re for the little guy!!!
But why, if they’re afraid of free speech? Because ultimately the plan is that their internet will allow only their words.
Exactly. Stomp out dissent and turn it into a propaganda machine. Works in China and N Korea.
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When you step back and look at the facts it is easy to see how the treasonous democrats are acting as agents of the communist chinese to subvert and punish free speech.
The communist agent biden is right in the thick of their crimes.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/rep-harriet-hageman-newsmax-federal-government-worked-silence/
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Liberal media is already predicting the demise of Twitter.
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Wow.
https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1675287728555167744
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Wow.
https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1675287728555167744
"Something went wrong. Try reloading."
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"Something went wrong. Try reloading."
It shouldn’t be doing that. Does it say anything about rate limits?
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Wow.
https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1675287728555167744
Link doesn't work. It keeps saying
"Something went wrong."
"Retry?"
It must have been something good to be gone so fast.
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It’s still working for me. Are you two signed in? I heard Twitter isn’t allowing you to see tweets if you don’t have an account.
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It’s still working for me. Are you two signed in? I heard Twitter isn’t allowing you to see tweets if you don’t have an account.
Don’t have an account, not going to get one
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Don’t have an account, not going to get one
It's a video so I can't copy text, I'm trying to find it elsewhere on the internet but the guy hasn't been very active on his facebook page or website.
This is not the video on twitter but it's this guy, Zach Vorhies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdLVfmLLsk
Wait, I think Zach is the guy that tweeted it, maybe not the guy in the video. Anyway his caption is:
This guy wins todays internet award for correctly analyzing all the factors in Twitters lockdown.
The intelligence community built a “Censorship Deathstar” by scrapping everyone’s data and Elon just threw a fat monkey wrench into the whole machine.
NO NO NO, it's Mike Benz. Try this link: https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1675254646942896128
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This is his profile:
https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber
Executive Director, @FFO_Freedom
Former State Dept Cyber.
On a mission to restore the Golden Age of the Internet.
foundationforfreedomonline.com
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Anyway if you can't watch the video, he says AI is doing the censoring. Yes we have humans, such as the FBI telling Twitter to delete 20 posts, but we also have AI deleting 20 MILLION posts, and this is what Elon is trying to fight, and he, by doing the rate limiting, and urging everyone to get a blue check, is putting barriers up to the massive AI interference on the servers. He says Elon is bucking the entire surveillance apparatus.
My rephrasing it is not doing it justice. It's fascinating.
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NO NO NO, it's Mike Benz. Try this link: https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1675254646942896128
Not signed on, and this link doesn't work either.
If I wanted to use Twitter, and I might some day, I would pay the $8.
(Is that monthly, annually or one-time).
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Not signed on, and this link doesn't work either.
If I wanted to use Twitter, and I might some day, I would pay the $8.
(Is that monthly, annually or one-time).
I believe it’s monthly. I think I will do it, because I’m starting to believe Elon is pretty important to maintain our freedom of speech.
Something else that guy says in the video, he talks about the difference between Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. They can’t do this mass scraping on Facebook because you can limit your content to friends. YouTube is different because there is a divide between creators and everybody else. So they can’t really build a database from the whole public from YouTube. But on Twitter, everyone is a content creator every time you post or retweet, and there is no limitation, it’s all public. It is the foremost real time source of a broad set of data of all the public and all the various groups and communities. Therefore they can manipulate it far more than those other platforms.
Elon did a BIG thing buying Twitter. Twitter was the main target of the government’s effort to manipulate the public’s conversation, censor “misinformation” and disempower groups or individuals they didn’t like.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/rep-harriet-hageman-newsmax-federal-government-worked-silence/
Another reason I'm moving to Wyoming or South Dakota when I retire.
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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/limitations-monday-july-3-2023-c?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
More on the Twitter limiting.
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Liberals are stupid, and gullible.
They fall in line and believe and repeat stupidity like normal people drink water.
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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/limitations-monday-july-3-2023-c?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
More on the Twitter limiting.
Musk is absolutely right to require an account. This article puts all the pieces together.
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Musk is absolutely right to require an account. This article puts all the pieces together.
Except that one of the main reasons people want to read Twitter posts but NOT open an account is because they don’t want their data compromised. This attack on Twitter just strengthens that resistance I would think.
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Except that one of the main reasons people want to read Twitter posts but NOT open an account is because they don’t want their data compromised. This attack on Twitter just strengthens that resistance I would think.
I'm not on any social media except LinkedIn and I will terminate that soon.
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Except that one of the main reasons people want to read Twitter posts but NOT open an account is because they don’t want their data compromised. This attack on Twitter just strengthens that resistance I would think.
Then you might as well stay off the internet altogether unless you use a VPN plus TOR and also somehow aren’t consistent with your use of language. They are going so far now to be able to identify you based on your particular use of phrases, etc., kind of like facial recognition. One screw up, such as logging into your email or a forum where your ID is known while you are using your VPN/TOR and they have you.
But it is true you are safer not talking politics at all online and minimizing your use of social media. For me, I balance the risk against the benefit which is twofold. 1.) I stay informed and 2.) I consider it a duty to be an opposing voice to the opposition. We cannot allow the wacko woke left to think they are the majority and they will if we don’t speak up. On the other hand, there are other downsides, such as, I think it has shortened my attention span. Probably takes away from time I should be doing housework. :( Too much social media is unhealthy.
And anyway, you realize all your texts are being kept and stored by the NSA and all your google searches and your emails (unless you use end to end encryption) are just a warrant away if not already being sold en mass to the feds. Even your encrypted stuff could be turned over to the Feds unless you have the kind where the service is no knowledge.
Right now for me I think the risk is low. The Feds have bigger fish to fry than me. If they’re tracking me, they know I’m a frumpy old lady with zero intent to participate in armed rebellion, although I might vote for Trump, so there’s that…