PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 09, 2023, 01:55:25 PM
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Just announced he will run as Independent.
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I'm donating to his campaign.
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Go Trump!!!
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My husband and I have a disagreement over whether he will siphon more votes from Trump or Biden.
Here’s a brief Styx analysis. He agrees with me it’ll probably hurt Biden more. I hope that’s not wishful thinking.
https://rumble.com/v3o3pap-breaking-rfk-junior-declares-an-independent-candidacy.html
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My husband and I have a disagreement over whether he will siphon more votes from Trump or Biden.
Here’s a brief Styx analysis. He agrees with me it’ll probably hurt Biden more. I hope that’s not wishful thinking.
https://rumble.com/v3o3pap-breaking-rfk-junior-declares-an-independent-candidacy.html
He's still an effing anti gun, climate change cultist.
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My husband and I have a disagreement over whether he will siphon more votes from Trump or Biden.
Here’s a brief Styx analysis. He agrees with me it’ll probably hurt Biden more. I hope that’s not wishful thinking.
https://rumble.com/v3o3pap-breaking-rfk-junior-declares-an-independent-candidacy.html
He will hurt Biden. There are still a lot of blue collar old time democrats around, and those people relate well with the Kennedy's. And those people have been abandoned by the DNC and their radical leadership.
RFK, Jr will do very well. Just looking around right now, I say he pulls 20% minimum away from the democrats. If this holds true, this sinks the democrats and Biden.
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He's still an effing anti gun, climate change culttist.
"The enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine".
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"The enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine".
How well does that fit with Israel, Iran, Iraq?
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How well does that fit with Israel, Iran, Iraq?
Or Russia/Ukraine?
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How well does that fit with Israel, Iran, Iraq?
We are discussing the campaign of RFK, Jr in this thread. Reading comprehension problems again?
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Is Hillary and her team on call?
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I'm sure there will be polls out by the end of the week showing how badly it hurts Trump 8)
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I'm sure there will be polls out by the end of the week showing how badly it hurts Trump 8)
That would be a good thing. Then idiot liberals will contribute to his campaign too.
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That would be a good thing. Then idiot liberals will contribute to his campaign too.
I was thinking the same thing.
You got there first!
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He will hurt Biden. There are still a lot of blue collar old time democrats around, and those people relate well with the Kennedy's. And those people have been abandoned by the DNC and their radical leadership.
RFK, Jr will do very well. Just looking around right now, I say he pulls 20% minimum away from the democrats. If this holds true, this sinks the democrats and Biden.
I hope that’s true.
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He will hurt Biden. There are still a lot of blue collar old time democrats around, and those people relate well with the Kennedy's. And those people have been abandoned by the DNC and their radical leadership.
RFK, Jr will do very well. Just looking around right now, I say he pulls 20% minimum away from the democrats. If this holds true, this sinks the democrats and Biden.
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"The enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine".
I'm still not voting for him. But I know what you're saying.
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I wouldn’t line my birdcage with the WSJ.
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I'm still not voting for him. But I know what you're saying.
I wouldn't vote for him either.
But I might send him money to enable him to attract more votes because I think MOST of those votes would be from Ds thus tilting the election toward Rs (most likely Trump).
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I wouldn’t line my birdcage with the WSJ.
I think most of those 48% Rs will vote for Trump. Like me, if polled I’d give him a favorable review. Keep in mind people are comparing him to the current occupier of the WH if only subconsciously.
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I suppose, being anti-vax, he might well attract more Republicans to his side. Democrats have been so brain washed about vaccinations, they would tend to stay away. Would some of his other stances make him more attractive to Democrats that now would not vote for Biden? I don't know.
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In 2012 a complete unknown John Wolfe Jr. got his name on the democrat presidential primary ballot in several states.
IIRC in the Louisiana primary he got nearly 42% of the vote. The fucking communist party (call themselves democrats) stole his delegates to avoid answering questions about why the traitor obama was so unpopular.
When people really hate a sitting president, anyone running in the primary has a big chance to do some damage.
RFK, Jr. might be enough for President Trump to overcome the margin of democrat communist vote stealing.
Won 12 percent of the vote in Louisiana, and qualified for three delegates,[11] which the Louisiana Democratic Party stripped due to his lack of a delegate slate.[12]
Had the strongest showing for an Obama challenger with 42 percent of the vote in Arkansas,[6][13] qualifying for 19 delegates,[14] which the Arkansas Democratic Party stripped due to his lack of a delegate slate.
Unsuccessfully sued the Democratic Party to regain the stripped delegates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates
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I think most of those 48% Rs will vote for Trump. Like me, if polled I’d give him a favorable review. Keep in mind people are comparing him to the current occupier of the WH if only subconsciously.
Exactly. Plus that favorability rating indicates people are thinking the same thing, that RFK,Jr splits the vote and pulls votes away from FJB.
With RFK,Jr and Cornell West siphoning votes away from the communist, they are in real danger now.
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In 2012 a complete unknown got his name on the democrat presidential primary ballot in several states.
IIRC in the Texas primary he got nearly 45% of the vote.
When people really hate a sitting president, anyone running in the primary has a big chance to do some damage.
RFK, Jr. might be enough for President Trump to overcome the margin of democrat communist vote stealing.
Yes, I think there is a good chance of this.
What bothers me about him is he is unclear where exactly he stands ideologically on economics. I heard him with my own two ears say he was a “free market absolutist” and then in the same breath talk about government manipulation in the market through subsidies. His website talks about making housing affordable by limiting mortgage interest rates to 3%. He is for environmental policy that is destructive to the economy such as shutting down coal mining and the Keystone pipeline. None of that is free market at all.
He equivocates on the subject of Medicare for all (socialism) and fails to state his position on the matter on his website. To make things worse the legacy media doesn’t report honestly on his position on any these matters. Legacy media might play down his socialist tendencies (as he does himself) to try to gain Republican votes. This also leaves Democrats with the impression that he is mostly about being anti-vax which they associate with “the right”.
I’m hoping that there are enough old school Democrats who would never vote for Trump but are smart enough to see how damaging Biden is, to take a Hail Mary pass and vote for RFK Jr on the off chance he just might take enough from both sides to defeat them both.
Everyone knows that’s highly unlikely, but when people are disgusted enough with both parties they’ll go rogue just to make a statement. That’s what I’ve done when I voted Libertarian. People need to be pushed pretty far to knowingly throw away a vote like that but I’m hoping a lot of Democrats feel just that pushed right now. Inflation is killing their finances and the world is exploding with violent hatred on Biden’s watch.
But a lot can happen between now and Nov 2024. I fear a domestic terror attack and a resulting rallying around the president like what happened after 9/11. Who knows though. For all his faults in retrospect, Dubya did signal a willingness to defend America. I would hope in Biden’s case people would sense his utter weakness and turn on him. But people are idiots so who knows.
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In reality, the US has one party with two marketing departments. ::)
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But a lot can happen between now and Nov 2024. I fear a domestic terror attack and a resulting rallying around the president like what happened after 9/11. Who knows though. For all his faults in retrospect, Dubya did signal a willingness to defend America. I would hope in Biden’s case people would sense his utter weakness and turn on him. But people are idiots so who knows.
I do see at least one and probably widespread domestic terror attacks in the next couple of years. They will all be portrayed as white supremacist attacks until pictures come out of the real attackers, but that "oopsie" will be published on page 10 if at all. However, I don't see a huge 9/11 highly visible rallying event. Just a bunch of soft targets.
But even so, PuddinHead shuffling around the stage is hardly the president anyone would rally around. "Yesterday, a terrible event.... um. People are... um. Ice cream?" Yeah, right.
But Bobby Jr? I don't know why he would run as an independent. He has exactly zero chance of winning. Other than making a statement, why?
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But Bobby Jr? I don't know why he would run as an independent. He has exactly zero chance of winning. Other than making a statement, why?
There are lots of the blue collar old time democrats who have been left behind since the communist takeover of their party. And these moderate democrats are watching the radical left dismember the country, and they are also aware of the rampant cheating these radicals will do to hold power.
RFK,Jr is a spoiler. Third party candidates split the vote, and by this split this pushed FJB and his radicals out. Also, there are democrat donors (moderates) who will gladly donate to his campaign in order to get rid of Pedo Joe.
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Yeah he might be playing a long game. Not expecting to win this time but oversee the possible rise of an actual viable third party, taking the old school Dems and some moderate Republicans who are sick of the RINOs but don't like Trump.
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But Bobby Jr? I don't know why he would run as an independent. He has exactly zero chance of winning. Other than making a statement, why?
I wouldn't be so sure of that. With the number of people that vehemently despise both Trump and Biden, this might be the first election in my lifetime where an Independent actually has a chance. Especially one with the name recognition of RFK. Remember, most liberals don't vote based on facts. They know he's a democrat even if he does run as an independent. That's all it takes for a lot of people. And there are a lot of anti-Trump Rs that might vote for him too. Especially if they are successful in their framing of Trump and he ends up in a cell.
It will get interesting.
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No matter what happens, it will be fun watching how the communist democrat media and communist party split their hatred between President Donald Trump and RFK, Jr.
I can't wait to see what bullshit lie they come up with to claim RFK is a racist and felt up a girl in high school.
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No matter what happens, it will be fun watching how the communist democrat media and communist party split their hatred between President Donald Trump and RFK, Jr.
I can't wait to see what bullshit lie they come up with to claim RFK is a racist and felt up a girl in high school.
He's a Kennedy. Of course he felt up girls in high school. And College. And in the Capitol and probably while driving across a bridge at night. But remember, he's a Kennedy and nobody will care.
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. With the number of people that vehemently despise both Trump and Biden, this might be the first election in my lifetime where an Independent actually has a chance. Especially one with the name recognition of RFK. Remember, most liberals don't vote based on facts. They know he's a democrat even if he does run as an independent. That's all it takes for a lot of people. And there are a lot of anti-Trump Rs that might vote for him too. Especially if they are successful in their framing of Trump and he ends up in a cell.
It will get interesting.
Rational liberals know he’s a Democrat, but the wacko far left we have now? They think he’s a right wing extremist.
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I think a big problem he'll have is branding. Just saying independent makes him like Bernie. Who is a far far far left socialist. He needs a name for his third party that states his brand so people can identify with him. Just saying "independent" ain't going to cut it.
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I think a big problem he'll have is branding. Just saying independent makes him like Bernie. Who is a far far far left socialist. He needs a name for his third party that states his brand so people can identify with him. Just saying "independent" ain't going to cut it.
IMHO, just the name "Kennedy" says all he need to say.
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I think a big problem he'll have is branding. Just saying independent makes him like Bernie. Who is a far far far left socialist. He needs a name for his third party that states his brand so people can identify with him. Just saying "independent" ain't going to cut it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
On February 20, 1992, Perot appeared on CNN's Larry King Live and announced his intention to run as an independent if his supporters could get his name on the ballot in all 50 states. With such declared policies as balancing the federal budget, favoring certain types of gun control, ending the outsourcing of jobs and enacting electronic direct democracy via "electronic town halls," he became a potential candidate and soon polled roughly even with the two major-party candidates.[30]
Perot's candidacy received increasing media attention when the competitive phase of the primary season ended for the two major parties. With the insurgent candidacies of Republican Pat Buchanan and Democrat Jerry Brown winding down, Perot was the natural beneficiary of populist resentment toward establishment politicians. On May 25, 1992, he was featured on the cover of Time with the title "Waiting for Perot," an allusion to Samuel Beckett's play Waiting for Godot.[31]
Several months before the Democratic and Republican conventions, Perot filled the vacuum of election news, as his supporters began petition drives to get him on the ballot in all 50 states. This sense of momentum was reinforced when Perot employed two savvy campaign managers in Democrat Hamilton Jordan and Republican Ed Rollins. While Perot was pondering whether to run for office, his supporters established a campaign organization United We Stand America. Perot was late in making formal policy proposals, but most of what he did call for was intended to reduce the deficit, such as a fuel tax increase and cutbacks to Social Security.[32] In June, Perot led a Gallup poll with 39% of the vote.[33]
Perot tried to keep his movement alive through the mid-1990s, continuing to speak about the increasing national debt. He was a prominent campaigner against NAFTA, and frequently claimed that American manufacturing jobs would go to Mexico. On November 10, 1993, Perot debated with then-Vice President Al Gore on the issue on Larry King Live with an audience of 16 million viewers.[56] Perot's behavior during the debate was a source of mirth thereafter, including his repeated pleas to "let me finish" in his southern drawl. The debate was seen by many as effectively ending Perot's political career.[57] Support for NAFTA went from 34% to 57%.[58]
In 1995, he founded the Reform Party and won their presidential nomination for the 1996 United States presidential election. His vice presidential running mate was Pat Choate. Because of the ballot access laws, he had to run as an Independent on many state ballots. Perot received 8% of the popular vote in 1996, lower than in the 1992 race, but still an unusually successful third-party showing by U.S. standards.
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https://twitter.com/MAGAoriginalist/status/1711930654093353312
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^^^^^^He's a leftist just not quite as left on all positions like his counterparts.