PILOT SPIN

Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on April 21, 2016, 07:26:39 AM

Title: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 21, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
Apparently, the guy who will surround himself with the smartest and the brightest people once he's president can't find pilots who can remember the mnemonic ARROW:

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/725042


Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2016, 07:32:04 AM
Apparently, the guy who will surround himself with the smartest and the brightest people once he's president can't find pilots who can remember the mnemonic ARROW:

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/725042

Everyone has employees who screw up, it's what they do.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2016, 07:44:13 AM
Everyone has employees who screw up, it's what they do.

Yep, ever since the FAA adopted the renewing of aircraft registration it has caught a lot of people who own aircraft, especially the ones who are doing their first renewal and the current registration doesn't have an expiration date on it.  From what I understand when the renewal comes up the FAA sends out a postcard telling the owner it's time to renew.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 21, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
Yep, ever since the FAA adopted the renewing of aircraft registration it has caught a lot of people who own aircraft, especially the ones who are doing their first renewal and the current registration doesn't have an expiration date on it.  From what I understand when the renewal comes up the FAA sends out a postcard telling the owner it's time to renew.
I know. It's extremely complicated.   Wait until he tries to tackle foreign policy.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
I know. It's extremely complicated.   Wait until he tries to tackle foreign policy.

 In all fairness, I seriously, seriously doubt Trump himself gets the notice mailed directly to him as the airplane is owned by a corporation.  And I seriously doubt the pilots of this aircraft handle the daily paperwork on it.

 The failure comes to the administration of his flight operation for not being on top of it and letting it slip.  BTW, Trump's company is not alone as several individuals and companies have been making the same mistake with the new procedures.

 This is almost like blaming Trump for his limo driver getting a ticket.  ::)
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 21, 2016, 08:00:17 AM
In all fairness, I seriously, seriously doubt Trump himself gets the notice mailed directly to him as the airplane is owned by a corporation.  And I seriously doubt the pilots of this aircraft handle the daily paperwork on it.

 The failure comes to the administration of his flight operation for not being on top of it and letting it slip.  BTW, Trump's company is not alone as several individuals and companies have been making the same mistake with the new procedures.

 This is almost like blaming Trump for his limo driver getting a ticket.  ::)
Maybe it's a warning sign that he may not, in fact, surround himself with the best and brightest.

I wonder what will happen to the pilots who flew the plane while the registration had expired.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
Maybe it's a warning sign that he may not, in fact, surround himself with the best and brightest.

Oh, c'mon, that's REALLY stretching.  Do you know or have knowledge that Mr. Trump PERSONALLY hires the employees of all his companies?

I wonder what will happen to the pilots who flew the plane while the registration had expired.

 From my understanding as long as the company rectifies the problem then there is no problem. Like stated earlier the FAA has had growing pains with the process and they are taking a compliance approach to it versus an enforcement approach.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2016, 08:19:53 AM
Maybe it's a warning sign that he may not, in fact, surround himself with the best and brightest.

Really?  ::)

It must be wonderful to have employees who have never made a mistake.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2016, 09:56:00 AM
Any shot Stan and Jeff can take at Trump is going to happen, count on it.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: You Only Live Twice on April 21, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IfLnMUZVQBw/movieposter.jpg)
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: JeffDG on April 21, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Any shot Stan and Jeff can take at Trump is going to happen, count on it.
If I took every shot I could at Trump, it would be dozens per day.  You get maybe 1% of the dumbest of the dumb from me.


If you are so concerned about people pointing out all the dumb shit a candidate does, perhaps you should support a candidate that doesn't do multiple dump things per day.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Bob Noel on April 21, 2016, 12:31:22 PM


If you are so concerned about people pointing out all the dumb shit a candidate does, perhaps you should support a candidate that doesn't do multiple dump things per day.

I know you weren't directing that comment at me, but I can't resist asking what candidate doesn't do multiple dumb things (or dump things   :D ) every day.

Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Number7 on April 22, 2016, 12:36:45 PM
(https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12994376_10201767064415570_1898422603979044620_n.jpg?oh=2d6e84f1a7cc957cbf37ba8f8b260fe8&oe=5777AA3C)
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: pilot_dude on April 22, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Donald Trump being so dense that he would confuse the events of September 11, 2001, with a convenience store, concerns me. That his flock would blow it off along with his confused interpretation of Scripture, concerns me, also.
I bow to you for being perfect and never having made a mistake while speaking.  I now understand why you can feel so important, it's that perfection thing.
Everyone, and yes that includes everyone but Number7, has made a statement in error when speaking.  Doesn't matter if it's 911 vs 711 or potatoe vs potato or defining "is", it happens to almost all at one time or another.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2016, 09:15:32 AM
That response is utter bullshit.
Donald Trump also claimed that he lost hundreds of close friends on 7/11 but when asked, failed ot be capable of naming a single one.
Please spare me your self-righteous, Donald is the chosen one, nonsense.
Just like when Hilary Clinton claimed to have been running from the plane, under fire, in Kosovo, Donald simply invents reality at any given moment. He's an entertainer, not a statesman, a con artist, not a negotiator, and a blowhard, not a man of the people.

I can respect your opinion.  My opinion is Cruz is a religious zealot and far right ideologue pretending to be an outsider when in reality the Ivy League educated Senator is financed, bought and paid for by Wall Street type. Had Cruz not alienated so many in his own party and spit in the face of so many voters the outcome may have been different. In reality Cruz's campaign is dead, he just doesn't realize it yet.

 He would gain so much politically if he was gracious and concede the nomination then help the front runner get elected. That would give him credibility for another WH run in the future.  If he continues his scorched earth campaign and attempt to win at any cost, his political future will die in the senate.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2016, 09:37:09 AM
Yea, running a campaign with no mathematical way to a nomination, currently 2.5 MILLION votes behind, 300 delegates behind, about to lose the next 5 primaries, including California can't be considered nonsense.  ::)

Personally I don't care if Cruz flames out his political career, that's his choice. He is certainly on that path now.

Cruz should take a lesson from Richard Nixon in the 1960 campaign. Nixon could have scorched earth and demanded recounts and contested JFK, but gracefully conceded.  That served him well in 1968.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: pilot_dude on April 25, 2016, 05:54:44 AM
That response is utter bullshit.
Donald Trump also claimed that he lost hundreds of close friends on 7/11 but when asked, failed ot be capable of naming a single one.
Please spare me your self-righteous, Donald is the chosen one, nonsense.
Just like when Hilary Clinton claimed to have been running from the plane, under fire, in Kosovo, Donald simply invents reality at any given moment. He's an entertainer, not a statesman, a con artist, not a negotiator, and a blowhard, not a man of the people.
The post had numerous facts but should you consciously call them bullshit to not concede the truth, that's your decision.  I have no problem with that at all.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: pilot_dude on April 25, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
If I understand your position in the earlier post, those people living in states after the first few primaries should have no choices on the ballot because a candidate won several of the first ones.
Ok.
Makes about as much sense as anything else the Donald Trump coalition is saying.
Your attempt to pigeon hole me as a member of the Trump coalition is inaccurate.  If I misread that last statement I apologize.
I'm leaning toward Gary Johnson as he is my usual vote getter.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Florida Cracker on April 25, 2016, 12:58:35 PM
Your attempt to pigeon hole me as a member of the Trump coalition is inaccurate.  If I misread that last statement I apologize.
I'm leaning toward Gary Johnson as he is my usual vote getter.

I am making no attempt to pigeon hole you anywhere. You championed the cause that Ted Cruz should drop out and campaign for a candidate that is repulsive to him and many of the rest of us, based upon the fallacy that people living in states where primaries are held later than the first few shouldn't have the chance to make their voting preference known based on nothing more but a handful of contests.
I say differently.
Even though you weren't speaking to me, I'd really like to call your attention to your own posts where you demanded Ted Cruz jump out and fall at Trump's feet.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
I am making no attempt to pigeon hole you anywhere. You championed the cause that Ted Cruz should drop out and campaign for a candidate that is repulsive to him and many of the rest of us, based upon the fallacy that people living in states where primaries are held later than the first few shouldn't have the chance to make their voting preference known based on nothing more but a handful of contests.
I say differently.

 A few facts:  Ted Cruz's campaign is dead, he just doesn't know it yet.  At this point he comes across as the sore loser who feels the nomination is rightfully his, even though he's ran a poor campaign, millions of votes behind and delegates behind.  But somehow he figures he'll attempt to get that small sliver of hope to get the convention into a contested one where he can use procedure and rules to get the nomination against the will of the voters.  If you believe for one minute if he was successful that he could go on to win in November under those circumstances I have a fine bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.

 The voice of the people who have cast votes does matter.  If Ted could have run a better campaign he would be votes and delegates ahead, but he didn't. 
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
I see comprehension isn't your strong suit.
On your home planet it must be customary for only a small percentage of voters to get to participate, and then some activist shows up and declares that the votes of the rest don't matter.
Got it. But you obviously don't.

 Look, I'm sorry your guy ran his campaign in the ground.  He made a lot a bad judgment calls and in the end, he couldn't get the votes or delegates together to pull off a win.

 Maybe if he runs next time (if he can get any supporters to finance him) he will have learned from his mistakes.

 Quit taking it so hard and move on.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 01:42:26 PM
A few facts:  Ted Cruz's campaign is dead, he just doesn't know it yet.  At this point he comes across as the sore loser who feels the nomination is rightfully his, even though he's ran a poor campaign, millions of votes behind and delegates behind.  But somehow he figures he'll attempt to get that small sliver of hope to get the convention into a contested one where he can use procedure and rules to get the nomination against the will of the voters.  If you believe for one minute if he was successful that he could go on to win in November under those circumstances I have a fine bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.

 The voice of the people who have cast votes does matter.  If Ted could have run a better campaign he would be votes and delegates ahead, but he didn't.
You're right. The voice of the democrat voters who likely voted in the GOP open primaries in order to elect THEIR favorite candidate should be respected.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
You're right. The voice of the democrat voters who likely voted in the GOP open primaries in order to elect THEIR favorite candidate should be respected.

 The problem with hard line conservatives such as yourself is that you see the Republican party as pure, and outsiders are not welcome.  This is why the RNC has lost the previous two presidential elections and is in a state of chaos now.

 Republicans make eloquent speeches on inclusion and attracting outside voters, but in reality it's "we don't want their kind in our private club!" mentality.

 If we had the present mentality of the RNC back in 1980 Reagan would have never been nominated, much less elected.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 25, 2016, 02:23:18 PM
You're right. The voice of the democrat voters who likely voted in the GOP open primaries in order to elect THEIR favorite candidate should be respected. (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji30.png)

I suppose Reagan could have won without "Reagan Democrats"   You sure are quick to dismiss Democrats.  How is Cruz going to win with just Evangelicals?
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 02:28:16 PM
The problem with hard line conservatives such as yourself is that you see the Republican party as pure, and outsiders are not welcome.  This is why the RNC has lost the previous two presidential elections and is in a state of chaos now.

 Republicans make eloquent speeches on inclusion and attracting outside voters, but in reality it's "we don't want their kind in our private club!" mentality.

 If we had the present mentality of the RNC back in 1980 Reagan would have never been nominated, much less elected.
So, you're a seasoned political veteran as you keep telling us, but then you think that McCain and Romney were "hard line conservatives," and then you parrot the leftist line that Reagan couldn't be nominated to today's GOP.

So, is it a matter that there is so much that you just don't know, or are you just a stone cold leftist trying to foist Trump on a party with which he and you share zero values? 
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
I suppose Reagan could have won without "Reagan Democrats"   You sure are quick to dismiss Democrats.  How is Cruz going to win with just Evangelicals?
Et tu, Brute? 

Are you also stating that there is a correlation between primary crossover voting and general election crossover voting? 
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 02:43:09 PM
So, you're a seasoned political veteran as you keep telling us, but then you think that McCain and Romney were "hard line conservatives," and then you parrot the leftist line that Reagan couldn't be nominated to today's GOP.

So, is it a matter that there is so much that you just don't know, or are you just a stone cold leftist trying to foist Trump on a party with which he and you share zero values?

I'm not a "pure republican" as those of you in Wisconson believe you are.  I've watched as the far right ideologues have driven this party in the ground.  McCain nor Romney weren't far right ideologues, hence why the GOP didn't want them or try to help them get elected.  The RNC purist, the far right brigade want purity and totally reject outsiders.  All of the speeches and talk about being inclusive and reaching out to moderates, independents and democrats was just pandering. In reality they want nothing to do with them.

 As I've said before, put a far right ideologue in a room with a far left liberal and you will see they have more in common than differences.
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 02:44:55 PM
Et tu, Brute? 

Are you also stating that there is a correlation between primary crossover voting and general election crossover voting?

You're grasping at straws.

Please explain the election of 1980. Are you claiming that the Reagan Democrats didn't cross over in the primaries?
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
You're grasping at straws.

Please explain the election of 1980. Are you claiming that the Reagan Democrats didn't cross over in the primaries?
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. The democrats had a primary fight of a lifetime on their hands, with incumbent Jimmy Carter fighting Ted Kennedy and Jerry Brown, with the fight going all the way into the convention. I don't think many democrats were crossing over in the primary to vote for Reagan over the other 9 GOP candidates.

In the general election that was a different story. 
Title: Re: FAA Grounds Trump's Citation X
Post by: Florida Cracker on April 25, 2016, 04:40:05 PM
Look, I'm sorry your guy ran his campaign in the ground.  He made a lot a bad judgment calls and in the end, he couldn't get the votes or delegates together to pull off a win.

 Maybe if he runs next time (if he can get any supporters to finance him) he will have learned from his mistakes.

 Quit taking it so hard and move on.

Your take on the state of the primaries is yours. Fine. I think it's nuts, but, it's yours.