Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2016, 06:25:18 AM
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Donald J. Trump says the abstruse Republican delegate system distorts the will of the people.
Senator Ted Cruz says the party’s nominating rules have been in place from the beginning.
Mr. Cruz is right, and he may be losing the public argument anyway.
With polls showing a strong preference for nominating the candidate with the most popular votes — even if he fails to secure a majority of delegates before the convention in July — Mr. Cruz has brushed up this week against an uncomfortable reality: His only road to victory is a messy one.
As he slogs through a merciless stretch of the primary calendar, straining to pick off delegates from Northeastern voters who seem disinclined to embrace his hard-line conservatism, Mr. Cruz, of Texas, has appeared increasingly frustrated amid questions about his path.
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2016, 07:38:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
Trump and his populists would have told Lincoln he had no right to the Republican nomination in 1860.
Sorta like Cruz claiming he is the best candidate, although he can't mathematically gain enough delegates and is 2.5 million votes behind the front runner, but yet voters "prefer him".
Post by: Florida Cracker on April 25, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:14:43 PM
When the dust settles on the first Wednesday of November the real analysis of the 2016 election will place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Donald Trump brigades that refused - no matter how hard Donald tried to make his real self clear - to believe he was a fairy tale made up in the minds of his cult members.
How is this any different than the fairy tale of Ted Cruz? What about the cult of Ted Cruz? It's hilarious that people will bash and name call one candidate and their supporters while they engage in the exact same behavior with their candidate.
Amazing.
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 01:22:54 PM
How is this any different than the fairy tale of Ted Cruz? What about the cult of Ted Cruz? It's hilarious that people will bash and name call one candidate and their supporters while they engage in the exact same behavior with their candidate.You've got to be delusional. I see no other explanation. Cruz has been a conservative his entire adult life. Trump doesn't know how to spell the word, and has embraced liberal causes AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY to further his campaign in the liberal northeast.
Amazing.
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
You've got to be delusional. I see no other explanation. Cruz has been a conservative his entire adult life. Trump doesn't know how to spell the word, and has embraced liberal causes AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY to further his campaign in the liberal northeast.
Delusional is continuing to believe Cruz has a viable campaign. Delusional is believing the fairy tale that Cruz has created.
Again, his old boss, who never speaks badly against politicians made the comment when asked about Cruz "Ya know, I just don't like that guy". That was George W. Bush.
What does George know the rest haven't figured out?
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
When you finally come out of the progressive closet and announce you are really a died-in-the-wool Hilary Clinton fanboy, we will all have a chuckle and then forget you very quickly.
Listen son, I was voting and participating in the Republican Party when you were sitting in a dirty diaper watching cartoons. Again, you can't make a winning argument so you resort to name calling.
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
Once more you fail to articulate a cogent argument. Somehow rudeness and blind arrogance must be what they taught in your schools, which explains a lot.
When the nominating process is finished and everybody gets their chance to speak, we will have a convention where delegates will nominate a candidate. Until then you are shouting nonsense because the entire country gets to hold their primaries before the nominating convention. The idea that you must get your way because your dear leader said so is a joke. A bad joke. But a joke.
Bla bla bla.
Babbling nonsense in a last desperate attempt because your candidate ran a losing campaign, and you simply can't face it.
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
So you really do believe that the voters in states beyond the first handful have no right to expect to participate in the nominating process? How strange.
I understand math. Right now your guy is 2.5 MILLION votes behind, and 300+ delegates BEHIND. Come tomorrow night that number increases dramatically when Cruz is projected to lose 5 more states. And right now California is looking bad for Cruz as well.
Let's see, he is mathematically eliminated already in the delegate count. 5 more losses doesn't gain any ground.
So it's basic math. But then there is that small hope (getting smaller every day) that a contested convention will happen and he will get the nomination on procedural rules. To hell with those millions of voters, right?
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Once more you fail to articulate a cogent argument. Somehow rudeness and blind arrogance must be what they taught in your schools, which explains a lot.It's in the playbook. The same one where angry and violent Trump fans issued death threats to the Colorado GOP delegates for agreeing to back Cruz.
When the nominating process is finished and everybody gets their chance to speak, we will have a convention where delegates will nominate a candidate. Until then you are shouting nonsense because the entire country gets to hold their primaries before the nominating convention. The idea that you must get your way because your dear leader said so is a joke. A bad joke. But a joke.
Post by: Little Joe on April 25, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
It's in the playbook. The same one where angry and violent Trump fans issued death threats to the Colorado GOP delegates for agreeing to back Cruz.Do you really want to start a dialogue about unruly fans of Trumps opponents? I don't think so.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 25, 2016, 02:13:13 PM
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
I understand math. Right now your guy is 2.5 MILLION votes behind, and 300+ delegates BEHIND. Come tomorrow night that number increases dramatically when Cruz is projected to lose 5 more states. And right now California is looking bad for Cruz as well.Why are you so anxious to Cruz to get out? Do you not have confidence that Trump will win on the first ballot? If you and Trump were confident, wouldn't you just take the high road, and, you know, "act presidential?"
Let's see, he is mathematically eliminated already in the delegate count. 5 more losses doesn't gain any ground.
So it's basic math. But then there is that small hope (getting smaller every day) that a contested convention will happen and he will get the nomination on procedural rules. To hell with those millions of voters, right?
Instead, you both continue with the juvenile "Lyin' Ted" antics.
Do you think the word "plurality" is the same as "majority?"
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
Do you really want to start a dialogue about unruly fans of Trumps opponents? I don't think so.I sure would. Have Cruz supporters been issuing death threats that I'm not aware of?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 25, 2016, 02:18:04 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 25, 2016, 02:19:31 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 02:24:48 PM
Why are you so anxious to Cruz to get out? Do you not have confidence that Trump will win on the first ballot? If you and Trump were confident, wouldn't you just take the high road, and, you know, "act presidential?"
Instead, you both continue with the juvenile "Lyin' Ted" antics.
Do you think the word "plurality" is the same as "majority?"
Cruz has lost. Even Cruz once said if someone is eleminated mathematically they should get out. Why has that now changed?
If Cruz wants a political life beyond 2016, he should bow out and help the Republican Party win this November. He is still young, he can learn from his mistakes and come back in 4 years and try again. If he continues on his path now all he will do is alienate more people and destroy any chance of another election.
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 02:26:07 PM
Appears it hasn't taken long for the Cruz, Kasich deal to begin to come apart. Cruz comes out and says that Kasich voters will vote for him in IN and Kasich comes out and says wait a cotton pickin minute.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell ya.
Cruz's desperation is really getting embarrassing.
Post by: FastEddieB on April 25, 2016, 02:52:58 PM
Listen son...
Anyone else get this mental image?
(https://i1.ytimg.com/sh/gSArOepqfxI/showposter.jpg?v=524fde65)
Post by: Lucifer on April 25, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
Anyone else get this mental image?
When you can't debate using facts or reasoning.........
Post by: FastEddieB on April 25, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
When you can't debate using facts or reasoning.........
I say, I say you make a joke, son!
Post by: Anthony on April 26, 2016, 06:38:05 AM
Post by: JeffDG on April 26, 2016, 07:05:09 AM
When you can't debate using facts or reasoning.........You support Trump, right?
Post by: bflynn on April 26, 2016, 07:11:26 AM
QuoteDonald J. Trump says the abstruse Republican delegate system distorts the will of the people.
Trump sounds like a whiny loser. Is this how he would be as President?
Post by: nddons on April 26, 2016, 07:26:16 AM
The "will of the people" is code for a popularity contest.
Trump sounds like a whiny loser. Is this how he would be as President?
To my great disappointment, even people like Ben Carson are saying we need to revisit getting rid of the electoral college, to further Trump's popularity cause. Are they that ignorant that doing so would disenfranchise voters in all but the most populous handful of states?
Post by: Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 08:24:36 AM
The "will of the people" is code for a popularity contest.
sidejack:
"will of the people" is something the democrats regularly ignore.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2016, 07:06:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2016, 05:13:50 AM
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An hour before polls closed in five states last night, Our Principles PAC declared that Donald Trump would sweep all five primaries. No worry, the anti-Trump outfit said. "The path to the nomination does not hinge" on any of these outcomes.
Really? Well, the anti-Trump folks had an explanation. The five states "have always been identified" as tough places to stop the Trump juggernaut. So those results – Trump won all five by wide margins – are "neither surprising nor decisive."
This is delusional. Trump, in fact, is on a roll. A few weeks ago, his campaign was said to be losing speed. He had peaked. Even when he won, his margins of victory were shrinking. And he couldn't get to 50 percent.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/official-ted-cruz-mathematically-eliminated-gop-race/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 05:46:23 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-nears-nomination/article/2002131 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-nears-nomination/article/2002131)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/official-ted-cruz-mathematically-eliminated-gop-race/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/official-ted-cruz-mathematically-eliminated-gop-race/)
So Trump gets better than 50% (60% in two states) against two opponents, the Cruzer finishes third in all but one state while picking up 1 delegate. In a two person race getting 60% of the vote is called a landslide.
Does anyone think that Kasich is going to tell his folks to vote for Cruz in Indiana? Kasich is now 1 for 46 and still won't get out. I think he has a mental problem as he thinks he will be the guy still. You know architect of the balanced budget and all.
I see the delegate counts all over the place this morning. Most places are not crediting Trump with the other 54 in PA even though it has been said they would vote for the winner on the first ballot.
Last I heard last night was Trump was only losing in on Congressional District. That is pretty damn strong.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 07:28:59 AM
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Here's Ted Cruz's version: "You know, the amazing thing about that basketball ring here in Indiana, it's the same height as it is in New York City and every other place in this country. And there is nothing that Hoosiers cannot do."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-ted-cruz-indiana-hoosiers-20160427-story.html
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 07:32:57 AM
I wonder if the Cruzer is going to go "Shoot some Rings" today ;DEven though Obama is demonstrating that shooting hoops is part of the job description of POTUS, it is not.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-ted-cruz-indiana-hoosiers-20160427-story.html
Knowing what the nuclear triad is, however.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 07:34:38 AM
Even though Obama is demonstrating that shooting hoops is part of the job description of POTUS, it is not.
Knowing what the nuclear triad is, however.
If one doesn't know it is a hoop, maybe one should not try and use it as a prop when trying to make a point. Just sayin' :)
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2016, 08:01:03 AM
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/04/27/ted-cruz-to-make-campaign-announcement-wednesday.html
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 08:54:37 AM
The desperation is ratcheting up.Why is announcing Carly as VP, if that's what this announcement is about, "desperation?"
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/04/27/ted-cruz-to-make-campaign-announcement-wednesday.html
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2016, 08:56:07 AM
Why is announcing Carly as VP, if that's what this announcement is about, "desperation?"I don't see it as desperation. I see it as strategy.
Just like skipping a debate that poses more risk than reward.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
I don't see it as desperation. I see it as strategy.
Just like skipping a debate that poses more risk than reward.
A strategy that won't work. Fiorina is not that well liked, and she flamed out early in her campaign.
And VP picks tend to only matter to about 1% of the voters.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2016, 09:04:30 AM
Why is announcing Carly as VP, if that's what this announcement is about, "desperation?"
His campaign is dead, he has been eliminated. Even using current polling data Trump will get the 1237 before Cleveland. The "alliance" with Kasich was a desperate attempt and it's back firing already.
Cruz only stands to damage his campaign and himself even more with these half baked ideas. If he ever runs again this will come back to haunt him if he's not careful.
Post by: Number7 on April 27, 2016, 09:05:23 AM
His campaign is dead, he has been eliminated. Even using current polling data Trump will get the 1237 before Cleveland. The "alliance" with Kasich was a desperate attempt and it's back firing already.
Cruz only stands to damage his campaign and himself even more with these half baked ideas. If he ever runs again this will come back to haunt him if he's not careful.
Odd that NOBODY said that about Hilary Clinton and she is poised to put Bernie Sanders away.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2016, 09:08:10 AM
Odd that NOBODY said that about Hilary Clinton and she is poised to put Bernie Sanders away.huh? I'm not sure what you were responding to or what you meant.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 09:29:11 AM
Why is announcing Carly as VP, if that's what this announcement is about, "desperation?"
An attempt to salvage California
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 09:30:20 AM
I'll type slow.
Eight years ago, in 2008.... Hilary Clinton stayed in the primaries after finding herself behind Barack Obama. Nobody said she was damaging herself by continuing to try and win delegates and that it would come back to haunt her in the future, as Lucifer constantly posts.
Now...
It is eight years later than it was in 2008... and Hilary Clinton is poised to put Bernie Sanders away, even though she stayed in the hunt EIGHT YEARS AGO.
And prior to the convention she released her delegates to vote for Obama.......and now you know the rest of the story. ;)
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
An attempt to salvage CaliforniaAnd a good one at that.
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Is that really what you want from your president, Trump fans?
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
Well, Trump wasted no time acting like a juvenile spoiled snot.
Is that really what you want from your president, Trump fans?
If you noticed, that is a fake. It's not from Trump.
Trump uses @realDonaldTrump. Whoever wrote that is @keelDonaldTrump.
Oh, the desperation has really set in, hasn't it?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
Well, Trump wasted no time acting like a juvenile spoiled snot. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160427/6b773fb7d56a388282f1368688d09d8b.jpg)
Is that really what you want from your president, Trump fans? (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji35.png)
Why do you post fake shit here. Do you not look first? What other shit do you fall for due to your hatred of all things Trump? ::)
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Why do you post fake shit here. Do you not look first? What other shit do you fall for due to your hatred of all things Trump? ::)Lighten up, Francis. It was in a fucking article. I don't tweet.
The problem is the "fake tweet" used Trump's own words, just not ones that he used today. Thus it was reasonably believable, and you know it.
What other shit have I posted that was a lie?
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2016, 03:55:56 AM
Lighten up, Francis. It was in a fucking article. I don't tweet.That depends on how you define the word "lie".
The problem is the "fake tweet" used Trump's own words, just not ones that he used today. Thus it was reasonably believable, and you know it.
What other shit have I posted that was a lie?
Politics seems to confuse the word "lie" with "wrong" when it is about the "other" guy.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 28, 2016, 04:47:22 AM
Lighten up, Francis. It was in a fucking article. I don't tweet.
The problem is the "fake tweet" used Trump's own words, just not ones that he used today. Thus it was reasonably believable, and you know it.
What other shit have I posted that was a lie?
Do you hear yourself Stan? You're now saying that if you heard me use the words eat and shit you could make up a story about me saying Cruz should eat shit and that would be fine. Really?
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2016, 05:03:07 AM
Lighten up, Francis. It was in a fucking article. I don't tweet.
The problem is the "fake tweet" used Trump's own words, just not ones that he used today. Thus it was reasonably believable, and you know it.
The whole article was a lie, a fake, a smear, and yet you claim "used Trump's own words"?
How pathetic. Just goes to show the integrity of your source.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 30, 2016, 06:59:17 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx
"Presidential Election 2016: Key Indicators"
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2016, 07:12:21 PM
Oh my......
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx
"Presidential Election 2016: Key Indicators"
Very interesting.