PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on April 26, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
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It's been 46 days since the Republicans had a debate. That was before Rubio dropped out.
Now is the chance for a substantive, one-on-one debate with Cruz to discuss the issues facing the country, and their respective approaches to those issues, instead of the personality-driven National Inquirer-type debates of the past. Why is he denying the voters the opportunity to see and hear what he has to say about a broad array of real issues?
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/25/video-ted-cruz-explains-kasich-alliance-slams-trump-for-ducking-debates-n2153454
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It's been 46 days since the Republicans had a debate. That was before Rubio dropped out.
Now is the chance for a substantive, one-on-one debate with Cruz to discuss the issues facing the country, and their respective approaches to those issues, instead of the personality-driven National Inquirer-type debates of the past. Why is he denying the voters the opportunity to see and hear what he has to say about a broad array of real issues?
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/25/video-ted-cruz-explains-kasich-alliance-slams-trump-for-ducking-debates-n2153454
What purpose would that serve at this point? Cruz is mathematically eliminated (along with Kasich). Why would Trump debate two people who can't win the nomination at this point?
At this point, if Cruz was the front runner in the same situation as Trump, you could bet he wouldn't agree to any more debates.
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What purpose would that serve at this point? Cruz is mathematically eliminated (along with Kasich). Why would Trump debate two people who can't win the nomination at this point?
At this point, if Cruz was the front runner in the same situation as Trump, you could bet he wouldn't agree to any more debates.
Has everyone voted? Has Trump secured a MAJORITY of the delegates? And why can't Cruz win the nomination? That statement is simply not true, and you know it.
He should debate because the people who have not had a primary should get to see him discuss his solutions to the issues of the day. Not everyone can attend his rallies.
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Has everyone voted? Has Trump secured a MAJORITY of the delegates? And why can't Cruz win the nomination? That statement is simply not true, and you know it.
Mathematically Cruz cannot secure the delegates to win on the first nomination (1237). He stands a major loss tonight of 5 more states that pushes him further away. And as of today he can't win California either. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Right now Cruz is grasping at straws, and his only hope is a contested convention, and even that is waning. The whole "Cruz-Kasich Pact" never got going and now the Cruz campaign is crying for debates, anything in a dying attempt to stay in the race.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/25/krauthammer_extremely_late_for_cruz__kasich_alliance_this_is_the_endgame.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/map-shrinks-for-donald-trumps-foes-1461626904
He should debate because the people who have not had a primary should get to see him discuss his solutions to the issues of the day. Not everyone can attend his rallies.
I'm sure his campaign management people wouldn't go for it. Again, switch the candidates and if Cruz (or Kasich) was the front runner, he wouldn't do it either.
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He should debate because the people who have not had a primary should get to see him discuss his solutions to the issues of the day.
That would be a very short debate.
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It's been 46 days since the Republicans had a debate. That was before Rubio dropped out.
Now is the chance for a substantive, one-on-one debate with Cruz to discuss the issues facing the country, and their respective approaches to those issues, instead of the personality-driven National Inquirer-type debates of the past. Why is he denying the voters the opportunity to see and hear what he has to say about a broad array of real issues?
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/25/video-ted-cruz-explains-kasich-alliance-slams-trump-for-ducking-debates-n2153454
That sounds like the whining desperate plea from the losing side.
Why should Trump debate Cruz? How will it benefit him or his campaign? You keep complaining that his campaign doesn't know what they are doing, but they are doing exactly what any winning campaign would be doing.
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Mathematically Cruz cannot secure the delegates to win on the first nomination (1237). He stands a major loss tonight of 5 more states that pushes him further away. And as of today he can't win California either. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Right now Cruz is grasping at straws, and his only hope is a contested convention, and even that is waning. The whole "Cruz-Kasich Pact" never got going and now the Cruz campaign is crying for debates, anything in a dying attempt to stay in the race.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/25/krauthammer_extremely_late_for_cruz__kasich_alliance_this_is_the_endgame.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/map-shrinks-for-donald-trumps-foes-1461626904
I'm sure his campaign management people wouldn't go for it. Again, switch the candidates and if Cruz (or Kasich) was the front runner, he wouldn't do it either.
Did you know that Abraham Lincoln had only 22% of the delegates on the first vote? He had 38% of the delegates on the 2nd ballot. He got 75% on the third ballot.
You would have told him to go home to Springfield with his tail between his legs before the convention even began.
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That sounds like the whining desperate plea from the losing side.
Why should Trump debate Cruz? How will it benefit him or his campaign? You keep complaining that his campaign doesn't know what they are doing, but they are doing exactly what any winning campaign would be doing.
Debates are part of the nomination process. This isn't the Trump nominating process. This is the Republican nominating process. I know he wants to re-write rules to allow him to win a coronation, but that's not how it works.
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Did you know that Abraham Lincoln had only 22% of the delegates on the first vote? He had 38% of the delegates on the 2nd ballot. He got 75% on the third ballot.
You would have told him to go home to Springfield with his tail between his legs before the convention even began.
This is 2016, not 1860.
And Cruz is no Lincoln.
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Debates are part of the nomination process. This isn't the Trump nominating process. This is the Republican nominating process. I know he wants to re-write rules to allow him to win a coronation, but that's not how it works.
I can't even count the number of debates I have already seen. I don't think you can whine that the poor people in states that haven't held a primary yet have been deprived of watching a debate. I am sure they have had ample opportunity if they so desired.
Personally, I am sick of those staged debates.
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I think we've had enough fucking debates. I have been enjoying the townhalls that the candidates have been on. You get more information from those than you would from a debate.
If Cruz had mathematically eliminated his opponents at this point would he volunteer to take part in a debate?
Haven't verified this, but heard that Trump has 2.1 million more votes than Romney did at this point in 2012.
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I think we've had enough fucking debates. I have been enjoying the townhalls that the candidates have been on. You get more information from those than you would from a debate.
If Cruz had mathematically eliminated his opponents at this point would he volunteer to take part in a debate?
Haven't verified this, but heard that Trump has 2.1 million more votes than Romney did at this point in 2012.
As the US National debate champion from Princeton, yes, I'm confident that he would debate.
We have one shot at this. One shot at fixing this country. That means you present yourself to the country at every possible opportunity.
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Haven't verified this, but heard that Trump has 2.1 million more votes than Romney did at this point in 2012.
When you do, I think you find that many more people voted in the primaries to date than did four, or eight years ago.
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Haven't verified this, but heard that Trump has 2.1 million more votes than Romney did at this point in 2012.
And Hillary has more votes than Trump in the primaries, what's your point?
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Donald Trump makes a spectacle out of avoiding debates.
Yeah, like skipping a debate because he was afraid of a blonde woman, to do a fundraiser for veteran's charities where the money hasn't gone to the said veteran's charities.
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The answer to the OP, IMO, is that Donald Trump doesn't thrive in debates, anymore than Hilary Clinton can stand her own ground against a good opponent. That is why Hilary Clinton's debates are held when no one is watching and Donald Trump makes a spectacle out of avoiding debates.
We are talking about a job interview for the most important position on the globe, aren't we? Shouldn't the employers get to ask questions of our applicants, or is it just acceptable today for the applicants to say "Fuck you, you don't have the right to ask me anything."
He's starting to look as controlling of his access and interaction with "the people" as Hillary.
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We are talking about a job interview for the most important position on the globe, aren't we? Shouldn't the employers get to ask questions of our applicants, or is it just acceptable today for the applicants to say "Fuck you, you don't have the right to ask me anything."
He's starting to look as controlling of his access and interaction with "the people" as Hillary.
So in other words, (I'm starting to like that debate style) You are saying that CNN, CNBC, FOX, MSNBC etc are the President's employer.
If the debates were actually methods of extracting real information, rather than ratings wars with 'gotcha questions", I might agree with you. But your opposition to Trump skipping the debate is solely based on your dislike of Trump.
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So in other words, (I'm starting to like that debate style) You are saying that CNN, CNBC, FOX, MSNBC etc are the President's employer.
If the debates were actually methods of extracting real information, rather than ratings wars with 'gotcha questions", I might agree with you. But your opposition to Trump skipping the debate is solely based on your dislike of Trump.
Bingo!
If the positions were switched, and Cruz was the front runner and Trump had been eliminated, and the Trump campaign asked for more debates we would be hearing an entirely different tune.
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So in other words, (I'm starting to like that debate style) You are saying that CNN, CNBC, FOX, MSNBC etc are the President's employer.
If the debates were actually methods of extracting real information, rather than ratings wars with 'gotcha questions", I might agree with you. But your opposition to Trump skipping the debate is solely based on your dislike of Trump.
Nope.
We the people are the employer.
I'm no fan of the gotcha questions either, nor of pitting personality against personality. Fox has been the worst, and believe it or not CNN has been the best. All that fades somewhat when you have a two man, mano a mano debate on issues. We have yet to have one of those this election cycle, and it's about damned time that we do.
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Bingo!
If the positions were switched, and Cruz was the front runner and Trump had been eliminated, and the Trump campaign asked for more debates we would be hearing an entirely different tune.
From the National Debate Champion? I don't think so.
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From the National Debate Champion? I don't think so.
Considering all of the mistakes the Cruz campaign has made so far, you may have a point.
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From the National Debate Champion? I don't think so.
A good debater can take either side of a position and win over a lesser trained debater. Even if we did have a Cruz-Trump debate, and even if Cruz did "win" (?) all that would prove is that Cruz is a better debater. That is about as important as the fact that Obama is a good orator (when reading from a Teleprompter).
But even so, I do not believe that Cruz would enter into a debate in an election where he was already the overwhelming leader. Why would he?
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A good debater can take either side of a position and win over a lesser trained debater. Even if we did have a Cruz-Trump debate, and even if Cruz did "win" (?) all that would prove is that Cruz is a better debater. That is about as important as the fact that Obama is a good orator (when reading from a Teleprompter).
But even so, I do not believe that Cruz would enter into a debate in an election where he was already the overwhelming leader. Why would he?
Cruz has a "big announcement" today at 4pm. It's suspected he's gonna name Fiorina as his VP choice. If so, the desperation is skyrocketing.
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Cruz has a "big announcement" today at 4pm. It's suspected he's gonna name Fiorina as his VP choice. If so, the desperation is skyrocketing.
Or he will drop out. He's toast from a voter perspective.
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Or he will drop out. He's toast from a voter perspective.
True, but I don't think his ego will let him.
Several analyst have convincing data that Trump is in a better position to get the required delegates now. And the RNC is getting nervous with all of the contested convention talk.
Guess we'll see at 4pm.
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He's toast from a voter perspective.
Trump has no hope to beat Clinton.
Trump v Clinton - average is Clinton by 8.5%, 49/40
USA Today - Clinton + 11
GWU/Battleground - Clinton +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl - Clinton + 11
FOX News - Clinton + 7
CBS News - Clinton + 10
McClatchy/Marist - Clinton + 9
Cruz - average is Clinton by 3%, 46/43
Yes, both are behind. The horses are in the backstretch and you get to place a last minute bet. Do you want to bet on the horse that is 8 1/2 lengths back or the one that is 3 lengths back?
Clinton v Trump, Clinton has 49% of the vote. How will Trump catch her?
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Trump has no hope to beat Clinton.
Trump v Clinton - average is Clinton by 8.5%, 49/40
USA Today - Clinton + 11
GWU/Battleground - Clinton +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl - Clinton + 11
FOX News - Clinton + 7
CBS News - Clinton + 10
McClatchy/Marist - Clinton + 9
Cruz - average is Clinton by 3%, 46/43
Yes, both are behind. The horses are in the backstretch and you get to place a last minute bet. Do you want to bet on the horse that is 8 1/2 lengths back or the one that is 3 lengths back?
Clinton v Trump, Clinton has 49% of the vote. How will Trump catch her?
Historically general election polls 6 months out with theoretical opponents are not accurate. I've provided detailed data on this previously citing polls going back 40 years. But the anti Trump forces will try to tell you that the data, while true, some how is invalid this year.
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Trump has no hope to beat Clinton.
Trump v Clinton - average is Clinton by 8.5%, 49/40
USA Today - Clinton + 11
GWU/Battleground - Clinton +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl - Clinton + 11
FOX News - Clinton + 7
CBS News - Clinton + 10
McClatchy/Marist - Clinton + 9
Cruz - average is Clinton by 3%, 46/43
Yes, both are behind. The horses are in the backstretch and you get to place a last minute bet. Do you want to bet on the horse that is 8 1/2 lengths back or the one that is 3 lengths back?
Clinton v Trump, Clinton has 49% of the vote. How will Trump catch her?
The election is still >6months away. What did the polls say 6 months ago about Trump's chances of still even being in the race now?
There is a reason they run those horse races, even though the odds are long. Dark horses win all the time.
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Cruz has a "big announcement" today at 4pm. It's suspected he's gonna name Fiorina as his VP choice. If so, the desperation is skyrocketing.
Gonna play a game of rings ;)
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I have a gut-level revulsion for Trump.
But to be fair, those polls are before Trump gets going on Hillary, and the influence of any debates going forward.
We'll just have to wait and see...
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Trump has no hope to beat Clinton.
Trump v Clinton - average is Clinton by 8.5%, 49/40
USA Today - Clinton + 11
GWU/Battleground - Clinton +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl - Clinton + 11
FOX News - Clinton + 7
CBS News - Clinton + 10
McClatchy/Marist - Clinton + 9
Cruz - average is Clinton by 3%, 46/43
Yes, both are behind. The horses are in the backstretch and you get to place a last minute bet. Do you want to bet on the horse that is 8 1/2 lengths back or the one that is 3 lengths back?
Clinton v Trump, Clinton has 49% of the vote. How will Trump catch her?
Why didn't you post how much Kasich is up? If we want to go by the polls we should throw out the results to date and nominate Kasich.
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Historically general election polls 6 months out with theoretical opponents are not accurate. I've provided detailed data on this previously citing polls going back 40 years. But the anti Trump forces will try to tell you that the data, while true, some how is invalid this year.
And his historically high negatives? Are those polls inaccurate too?
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And his historically high negatives? Are those polls inaccurate too?
You seriously don't understand the discussion, do you?
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I have a gut-level revulsion for Trump.
But to be fair, those polls are before Trump gets going on Hillary, and the influence of any debates going forward.
We'll just have to wait and see...
Why would he debate? He refuses to debate today, so what would change in the next 6 months?
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Why would he debate? He refuses to debate today, so what would change in the next 6 months?
He will debate Hillary because he will need to debate Hillary.
He doesn't need to debate Cruz.
And Hillary has yet to debate anyone that will actually stand up to her, or face moderators that will ask her the tough questions. That all changes in the general election debate. I predict that Trump will crush Hillary in a debate.
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He will debate Hillary because he will need to debate Hillary.
He doesn't need to debate Cruz.
And Hillary has yet to debate anyone that will actually stand up to her, or face moderators that will ask her the tough questions. That all changes in the general election debate. I predict that Trump will crush Hillary in a debate.
hillary doesn't have the courage to face Trump or anyone else in an actual debate.
and the media trash won't call her on it.
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hillary doesn't have the courage to face Trump or anyone else in an actual debate.
and the media trash won't call her on it.
I don't think she will be able to duck all debates in the general. And even if she gets it scheduled for 11pm on Sunday night, people will watch or record it. And if the questions are too lop-sided, it will be very evident side by side.
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He will debate Hillary because he will need to debate Hillary.
He doesn't need to debate Cruz.
And Hillary has yet to debate anyone that will actually stand up to her, or face moderators that will ask her the tough questions. That all changes in the general election debate. I predict that Trump will crush Hillary in a debate.
Sure. Right up to the point that the moderator asks about the head of state of Czechia, and Trump will not even know that this is the new name for the Czech Republic. Hillary will then say that she recently had dinner with President Zeman (while under fire from snipers, no doubt), and Trump will say that our relationship with Czechoslovakia will be yuuuuge, and the best that the United States has ever had.