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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on December 19, 2024, 12:05:41 PM

Title: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Little Joe on December 19, 2024, 12:05:41 PM
So do I.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/19/trump-calls-for-abolishing-the-debt-ceiling.html
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Username on December 19, 2024, 12:25:25 PM
Each year the debt ceiling gets raised.  Then why even have one?

Unless convinced otherwise, I believe there should be a debt ceiling.  The government must reduce spending until spending <= revenue.  I have to live within a budget and I don't get unlimited spending.  Why should the government?  Otherwise I'd just buy a new Cirrus jet and never worry about paying for it.

I'm sure that's a very simplistic view.  Change my mind!
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Little Joe on December 19, 2024, 12:38:02 PM
I'd prefer to see a balanced budget amendment than keep the debt ceiling.

Of course we couldn't balance the budget in 1 year or even 10 or 20 (or could we), but such legislation should require minimum progress in that direction on an annual basis.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: jb1842 on December 19, 2024, 12:57:57 PM
I'd prefer to see a balanced budget amendment than keep the debt ceiling.

Of course we couldn't balance the budget in 1 year or even 10 or 20 (or could we), but such legislation should require minimum progress in that direction on an annual basis.

Make all congress critters uneligible for re-election if they don't pass a budget.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2024, 05:50:27 AM
It appears 38 Democrats posing as Republicans outed themselves by voting "no" on the new slimmed down CR.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2024, 06:15:23 AM
It appears 38 Democrats posing as Republicans outed themselves by voting "no" on the new slimmed down CR.

  Just the beginning.   Over the next year we will see the true leanings of these congressmen and senators.  Hopefully it will get enough publicity to primary many of them out in 2026.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Username on December 20, 2024, 06:41:01 AM
  Just the beginning.   Over the next year we will see the true leanings of these congressmen and senators.  Hopefully it will get enough publicity to primary many of them out in 2026.
That's the true beauty of X.  Used to be out of sight, out of mind in DC.  Now what they do is being distributed widely and the political class is finally being held accountable to we the people.  People are finally learning that they get what they vote for, and they don't like it.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2024, 06:56:49 AM
That's the true beauty of X.  Used to be out of sight, out of mind in DC.  Now what they do is being distributed widely and the political class is finally being held accountable to we the people.  People are finally learning that they get what they vote for, and they don't like it.

Coincidentally I just made a post about that.  DC is aghast and offended that the people suddenly have a clear window into their erstwhile obfuscated machinations. And are holding their elected representatives accountable. They’re not used to that and are getting all puffy about it.

https://x.com/Rush77289890/status/1870086303598989673

And this reply to Bernie Sanders no less:

https://x.com/Rush77289890/status/1870108422273745171
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2024, 07:09:17 AM
Elon’s taking over the world and being an “authoritarian” LMFAO!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2024, 08:07:11 PM
CR Passed, here is what GROK told me:

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web pagesThe Continuing Resolution (CR) passed by the House today includes several key provisions:
Funding Duration: It extends current government funding through March 14, 2025, to avoid a government shutdown while allowing time for new appropriations under the incoming administration.(http://www.pilotspin.com/data:image/png;base64,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)(http://www.pilotspin.com/data:image/png;base64,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)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1668437278757212160/TEKRoFeY_normal.jpg)Disaster Relief: The CR allocates $100 billion for disaster relief, aimed at recovery efforts from natural disasters.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1309907344562819073/Dg7Q7YMI_normal.jpg)Farm Bill Extension: There is a one-year extension of the farm bill included.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1309907344562819073/Dg7Q7YMI_normal.jpg)Congressional Pay Increase: A provision within this CR allows for an automatic cost of living increase for members of Congress, raising their salary from $174,000 to $243,000 per year.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1830723554893004800/CT5f9m7L_normal.jpg)Legal Process for House Data: The resolution includes a section that permits the House to "quash or modify any legal process" if it would require the disclosure of House data, which is broadly defined as any electronic mail or data.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1849459897345191936/w18ycFj9_normal.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1849459897345191936/w18ycFj9_normal.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1849459897345191936/w18ycFj9_normal.jpg)Pandemic Preparedness: There are 72 pages dedicated to "Pandemic Preparedness and Response" policies.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1830723554893004800/CT5f9m7L_normal.jpg)NFL Stadium in D.C.: It includes provisions to give control of Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium to Washington, D.C., facilitating negotiations for bringing the NFL's Commanders back to the district.
These points collectively outline the major components of the Continuing Resolution that was passed by the House, focusing on maintaining government operations, providing disaster aid, and addressing specific legislative priorities.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Rush on December 21, 2024, 05:34:33 AM
There’s a couple things in there I do not like AT ALL.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2024, 05:43:40 AM
There’s a couple things in there I do not like AT ALL.
Yep, they got their pay raise and some shielding from the law.

Anyone here know how to get a detailed report on the expense allowances they get on top of their base pay?
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2024, 05:48:07 AM
I asked Grok:
Congressmen receive several forms of compensation in addition to their base salary of $174,000 per year:
Allowances: Members of Congress receive allowances for office expenses, staff salaries, travel between their home state or district and Washington, D.C., and other official expenses. These allowances can be substantial, with House members receiving approximately $900,000 for staff and $250,000 for office expenses, while senators may receive up to $3.3 million depending on various factors like state population and distance from D.C.
Retirement Benefits: After serving at least five years, members become eligible for a pension through the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS). The pension amount is based on years of service and salary, potentially reaching up to 80% of their final salary. They also contribute to and can benefit from Social Security if elected after 1984.Health Insurance: Members of Congress are provided health insurance through an Affordable Care Act exchange, with 72% of the premiums subsidized by federal funds. They can also opt into the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program upon retirement.(http://www.pilotspin.com/data:image/png;base64,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)Per Diem and Travel: There's provision for travel allowances, including per diem for lodging, meals, and incidental expenses when in D.C. on official business, which could be considered a form of additional compensation.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1780621965180416000/vSg0KzMw_normal.jpg)Other Benefits: Congressmen have access to benefits like free airport parking, death benefits for their families if they die while in office, and various forms of support for maintaining offices both in Washington, D.C., and their home districts or states. They are also limited in earning outside income, with a maximum of 15% of their base salary in allowed "outside earned income."
These additional forms of compensation are intended to cover the costs associated with their duties and provide for their welfare, both during and after service. However, the specifics can vary, particularly based on leadership positions or additional responsibilities within Congress.I'm sorry it doesn't format well.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Rush on December 21, 2024, 06:07:37 AM
Yep, they got their pay raise and some shielding from the law.

Anyone here know how to get a detailed report on the expense allowances they get on top of their base pay?

Exactly those two!
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Rush on December 21, 2024, 06:08:46 AM
That’s a hell of a big pay raise.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Lucifer on December 21, 2024, 07:13:31 AM
That’s a hell of a big pay raise.

But look at all the hard work they put in for the taxpayer……..
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Little Joe on December 21, 2024, 09:07:36 AM
Yep, they got their pay raise and some shielding from the law.

Anyone here know how to get a detailed report on the expense allowances they get on top of their base pay?
Their salary and expense allowances are only a portion of their income.  There are also the bribes from lobbyists and income from insider stock tips.  And a select few are able to collect 10% of their spending bills.  How else would so many of them become millionaires having never worked a real job in their lives.
Title: Re: Trump supports abolishing the debt ceiling.
Post by: Number7 on December 21, 2024, 09:20:17 AM
Well… there is all those bribes ending from zelinsky to make up for and the 10% for the big guy.