PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on January 13, 2025, 05:39:42 PM
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Look for jack-ass smith, and chrissy wray to take a short vacay and then start out touring the country lying about their criminal careers in government service.
I think we should all pay extra close attention and show up their bullshit speeches and sit in the front, then turn our backs to them when they begin to speak.
They deserve our contempt, and our undying devotion to their convictions for crimes against America and PRESIDENT TRUMP.
P.S. I’ve noticed Mikey has been totally absent since it became obvious that the drunken cackler was not going to be benificiary of enough vote fraud to steal the White House. I kind of miss his delusions.
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Look for jack-ass smith, and chrissy wray to take a short vacay and then start out touring the country lying about their criminal careers in government service.
I think we should all pay extra close attention and show up their bullshit speeches and sit in the front, then turn our backs to them when they begin to speak.
They deserve our contempt, and our undying devotion to their convictions for crimes against America and PRESIDENT TRUMP.
P.S. I’ve noticed Mikey has been totally absent since it became obvious that the drunken cackler was not going to be benificiary of enough vote fraud to steal the White House. I kind of miss his delusions.
Perfesser became a victim of Bidenomics I believe.
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It seems he gave up flying and disappeared from POA as well.
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It seems he gave up flying and disappeared from POA as well.
Gave up flying? Oh no. 😟
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Gave up flying? Oh no. 😟
He hinted about being stalked, or threatened, or something as I recall, but never said more.
It was in the time when Jewish students were being attacked on campuses, and I wondered at the time if he was affect3d by one of those idiot assholes.
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He hinted about being stalked, or threatened, or something as I recall, but never said more.
It was in the time when Jewish students were being attacked on campuses, and I wondered at the time if he was affect3d by one of those idiot assholes.
Oh my God I hope not! Those assholes better leave our Steingar alone.
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Oh my God I hope not! Those assholes better leave our Steingar alone.
He's still around here lurking. Was here a couple of weeks ago.
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He's still around here lurking. Was here a couple of weeks ago.
At least we know he’s still alive.
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It seems he gave up flying and disappeared from POA as well.
The prop strike spoke volumes.
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The prop strike spoke volumes.
My memory sucks. He had a prop strike? And if so did I know about it? I’m sure it’ll come back to me.
Edit:
Yes and yes.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=6303.0
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He’ll be back as soon as Trump takes office. His TDS will kick in.
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When I heard about those traitorous terrorist pieces of shit harassing Jewish students (and professors too?) on campuses it really pissed me off, like why in the HELL aren’t we arresting all of these morons and deporting them to Gaza? What happened to the idea of “hate crime”?
The level of cognitive dissonance and pure stupidity outweighs even the idiot Viet Cong sympathizers of the 60s. Gays for Palestine? Are you fucking kidding me!?!? Absolute brain rot going on here.
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When I heard about those traitorous terrorist pieces of shit harassing Jewish students (and professors too?) on campuses it really pissed me off, like why in the HELL aren’t we arresting all of these morons and deporting them to Gaza? What happened to the idea of “hate crime”?
The level of cognitive dissonance and pure stupidity outweighs even the idiot Viet Cong sympathizers of the 60s. Gays for Palestine? Are you fucking kidding me!?!? Absolute brain rot going on here.
Only conservatives are capable of hate speech IAW the democrat communist. Liberal progressives can use hate speech, display racism, fund and operate hate groups with impunity.
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Mikey's political leaning may be suspect, but I still think he should be welcome here. I met him years ago at Oshkosh and had a nice conversation with him and enjoyed meeting him.
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Mikey's political leaning may be suspect, but I still think he should be welcome here. I met him years ago at Oshkosh and had a nice conversation with him and enjoyed meeting him.
He and everyone else is welcome here. That’s never changed.
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Mikey's political leaning may be suspect, but I still think he should be welcome here. I met him years ago at Oshkosh and had a nice conversation with him and enjoyed meeting him.
He is as far as I’m concerned. I haven’t met him in real life yet but A.) he’s a pilot B.) he’s American. That’s enough for me to stand up for him against America-hating Hamas lovers. As for how he votes I generally extend people benefit of the doubt because there’s always the chance they might change their minds. Although I admit the older you get the less likely that is.
Right now in the U.S. it’s kind of a special circumstance because the two parties seem to have flip flopped.
Back in the day: Republicans were seen as rich fat cat capitalists, in bed with corporations, warmongers and pro-censorship. Democrats were seen as pro-working class, anti-war, pro- free speech.
Today: Democrats are the rich elite, in bed with mega-corporations (drug and tech companies) fat cats getting rich from insider trading, and they are the warmongers and censoring speech. Republicans- the MAGA arm anyway - are pro working class, free speech and anti-war.
This flip flop is why some principled Democrats are switching parties.
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He and everyone else is welcome here. That’s never changed.
Yes, very welcome! We have some heated discussions, but when it's all done, we're all still pilots or pilot-adjacent.
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Yes, very welcome! We have some heated discussions, but when it's all done, we're all still pilots or pilot-adjacent.
Even if we’re not flying anymore. Once a pilot always a pilot. We had to sell our last plane and it will be our last. There will be no more, except Mark’s radio controlled. It is very sad. That part of our lives is over. But it’s still who we are.
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Mikey's political leaning may be suspect, but I still think he should be welcome here. I met him years ago at Oshkosh and had a nice conversation with him and enjoyed meeting him.
Was he sober? Mikey likes to drink, the times I've met him.
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Was he sober? Mikey likes to drink, the times I've met him.
He’s done some drunk postings here and elsewhere a few times.
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Was he sober? Mikey likes to drink, the times I've met him.
I've met a lot of people that made me want to have another drink too. ;)
It's one thing to say someone is welcome.
But when someone says something here that goes against the group's collective mind, and then they get attacked by a dozen people, it is difficult to feel welcome.
Think about all the people here that won't even sign on to a site that has a vocal leftist lean. It's human nature to want to surround yourself with people with views similar to their own. I give Steingar credit for how long he lasted here. I hope he's ok and comes back. He helps break the monotony.
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well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that no criticism is allowed.
well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that nobody can question them
well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that nobody can expect them to defend their claims/positions.
edit: these "leftist lean" forums you speak of actively delete posts that "offend" them.
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well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that no criticism is allowed.
well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that nobody can question them
well, I guess some people think that being welcomed on a forum means that nobody can expect them to defend their claims/positions.
edit: these "leftist lean" forums you speak of actively delete posts that "offend" them.
We’re not supposed to notice that.
It’s racist if we do…
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I've met a lot of people that made me want to have another drink too. ;)
It's one thing to say someone is welcome.
But when someone says something here that goes against the group's collective mind, and then they get attacked by a dozen people, it is difficult to feel welcome.
Think about all the people here that won't even sign on to a site that has a vocal leftist lean. It's human nature to want to surround yourself with people with views similar to their own. I give Steingar credit for how long he lasted here. I hope he's ok and comes back. He helps break the monotony.
So how do you know about various people here and what websites they sign onto?
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So how do you know about various people here and what websites they sign onto?
I take them at their word.
But of course though, I think they are lying.
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edit: these "leftist lean" forums you speak of actively delete posts that "offend" them.
POA does that, but there are other sites that allow dissenting opinions without censorship or deletion. I have been banned from POA more times than I can count.
And just so everyone knows, this is the only site I use "Little Joe" because this is the only site where I felt someone was stalking me. It was kind of scary when I got a phone call at work asking for me by my screen name, but that was at least 5 years ago.
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POA does that, but there are other sites that allow dissenting opinions without censorship or deletion. I have been banned from POA more times than I can count.
And just so everyone knows, this is the only site I use "Little Joe" because this is the only site where I felt someone was stalking me. It was kind of scary when I got a phone call at work asking for me by my screen name, but that was at least 5 years ago.
Did she say why she was calling?
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Did she say why she was calling?
I'm not about to give any details here, but:
It was a HE.
And the phrase "Zionist" came up several times.
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I'm not about to give any details here, but:
It was a HE.
And the phrase "Zionist" came up several times.
Very few things I hate more than racist assholes using their limited brain cells to attacks Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.
Fucking asswipes aren’t worthy of scraping shit off my shoes onto their faces.
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Was he sober? Mikey likes to drink, the times I've met him.
It was early on the evening, but we all had some sort of drink.
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I've met a lot of people that made me want to have another drink too. ;)
It's one thing to say someone is welcome.
But when someone says something here that goes against the group's collective mind, and then they get attacked by a dozen people, it is difficult to feel welcome.
Think about all the people here that won't even sign on to a site that has a vocal leftist lean. It's human nature to want to surround yourself with people with views similar to their own. I give Steingar credit for how long he lasted here. I hope he's ok and comes back. He helps break the monotony.
Leftist run pilot forums like the Pilot's Place, and POA, BAN PEOPLE for disagreeing with their Leftist (Fascist) ideals.
So disagreeing with someone is not even in the same zip code. Nobody gets banned here. If we disagree, we disagree. People need to grow the fuck up.
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Leftist run pilot forums like the Pilot's Place, and POA, BAN PEOPLE for disagreeing with their Leftist (Fascist) ideals.
So disagreeing with someone is not even in the same zip code. Nobody gets banned here. If we disagree, we disagree. People need to grow the fuck up.
Only ONE person has ever been banned from The Pilot's place. And he deserved it.
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Leftist run pilot forums like the Pilot's Place, and POA, BAN PEOPLE for disagreeing with their Leftist (Fascist) ideals.
So disagreeing with someone is not even in the same zip code. Nobody gets banned here. If we disagree, we disagree. People need to grow the fuck up.
“But when someone says something here that goes against the group's collective mind, and then they get attacked by a dozen people, it is difficult to feel welcome.”
I like to stay out of this perennial argument but he has a point. And you (and others) are saying that if you’re not completely comfortable being the lone person under attack -including personal attacks- from everyone else on the forum because of an opinion you have, then that means you’re not grown up, a pussy, etc.etc. When in reality feeling unwelcome under such circumstances pretty much puts you in the category of normal.
At issue here is the definition of “welcome”. Which is it?
1. You can post whatever you want and never be banned. That’s it!
2. You can post whatever you want, never be banned AND people will respond to you with some minimal amount of courtesy avoiding personal attacks when they disagree with you.
3. You can post whatever you want, never be banned AND people will agree with you almost all the time. This is where we have an echo chamber.
Pilotspin claims to be number 1 and that is the way I like it: No censorship whatsoever. However I wouldn’t use the word “welcome” in the sense of making someone feel wanted or accepted which is a more conventional definition. Little Joe seems to wish it were number 2. But that can’t happen without moderation which is a form of censorship and always a slippery slope. We all saw it happen in real time over and over on all our previous forums.
I think all of us here agree we don’t want to be number 3. But it tends to become number 3 if we drive away any dissenter from our collective leaning. I know, I know, “We didn’t drive them away, they chose to leave because they can’t take the heat.” In any case they have to give up, because leftists can’t defend their positions because facts and reality get in the way.
I see the issue here. Definition number 1 means you ARE welcome in the literal sense: You may be here and won’t be banned, period. Little Joe used the word “feel” and definition number 2 implies that a person isn’t welcome unless he subjectively feels welcome. I understand that you men have issues with feeeeeelings. You like to pretend you don’t have any or they don’t matter. And you mock each other for any supposed feelings (butthurt). Hence why I don’t get too involved because as a woman, we are more about being polite to your face and then stabbing you in the back.
But there’s a difference between basing policy on feelings instead of reality (DEI catastrophe) which is probably the functional reason men are programmed to discount feelings, and voluntarily considering peoples feelings in societal interactions which is known as common courtesy, but for that to work it has to be voluntary. Forcing it with censorship backfires, stifles the free exchange of ideas and you end up with the same echo chamber you have if you don’t voluntarily consider people’s feelings a little bit.
As much as I love you all, it does get monotonous sometimes when we’re just endlessly agreeing with each other. I really enjoy a little shakeup when Steingar or others (Jaybird for instance) throw a little spice in. But who am I to tell you all to behave, I’m just exercising my right here, to post whatever I want and make it as long and wordy as I want. ;D
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I think that summed it up nicely Rush.
As to the word "feelings", I used that word on purpose. Human beings do have feelings. But there are exceptions and psychiatrists have diagnoses for that condition.
Those "feelings" are why so many on this board "claim" that they don't participate on liberal sites. They don 't like having their beliefs challenged, thus the echo chamber here feeds their feelings of superiority.
When I experience the idiocy on the leftist boards, it pushes me to the right.
When I experience the idiocy on sites like PS, it often pushes me to the left.
That's probably explains why I "feel" like a centrist.
edit: Or perhaps that is why I am seen as a RINO. But I look at myself as a Reagan Republican.
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I think that summed it up nicely Rush.
As to the word "feelings", I used that word on purpose. Human beings do have feelings. But there are exceptions and psychiatrists have diagnoses for that condition.
Those "feelings" are why so many on this board "claim" that they don't participate on liberal sites. They don 't like having their beliefs challenged, thus the echo chamber here feeds their feelings of superiority.
When I experience the idiocy on the leftist boards, it pushes me to the right.
When I experience the idiocy on sites like PS, it often pushes me to the left.
That's probably explains why I "feel" like a centrist.
edit: Or perhaps that is why I am seen as a RINO. But I look at myself as a Reagan Republican.
Reagan Republican and JFK Democrat were not very different. Republicans and Democrats alike were patriotic Americans, basically believed in capitalism, not communism (not talking about the 60s hippie faction), were mostly all Christians, in fact even the radical hippies were more Christian than anything, giving us JC Superstar and I even attended a few meetings of some sort of “Hippies for Jesus” group as a teenager. Jesus was alright by them.
Now? The Democrats manage to be America hating to the point they don’t want to fly our flag, and Christianity is the ONLY religion it’s okay to insult and discriminate against. And they are communists and corporate oligarchs at the same time. As for the Republicans they’re just going along for the globalist ride, having totally given up on the idea of defending American exceptionalism like the cowards they are. How the fuck did we get here?
I understand why you “feel” like a centrist. I do too, but I hate the term. It implies you’re wishy washy and can’t pick a side, but in reality, for me, it means I pick a side but it might be the right or left depending on the issue. Or I have an opinion that takes into account pragmatic compromise rather than ideological purity, if I believe that being ideologically pure is just shooting yourself in the foot because it’s a numerically extreme (on the low side) position which means it won’t get you votes. Then where the hell are you?
I prefer the term “independent” over centrist. At this point I am firmly NOT either a Republican or Democrat. I am MAGA, if you want to consider that a part of the Republican Party but MAGA is actually getting back to Reagan or JFK, is all it really is. Styx calls it a “soft reset” and that’s pretty much all we can expect out of Trump, at best. The Uniparty will be fighting him all the way.
Edit: I guess you can add Judaism as a religion it’s okay to insult and discriminate against but that seems to be more ethnic and political persecution.
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Only ONE person has ever been banned from The Pilot's place. And he deserved it.
TPP censors post of what they disagree. And they threaten members who disagree. They guy running that forum is a whacko.
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TPP censors post of what they disagree. And they threaten members who disagree. They guy running that forum is a whacko.
Anyone who supports the current incarnation of the Democratic Party is a whacko.
That is if he supports it which I don’t even know who it is, so I’m making an assumption.
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The reason the democrat communist party is the shit hole of stupidity it is, is because Americans chose to remain silent no matter what ignorant shit they babbled, causing the. To keep pushing even stupider shit, to the point that depravity became mainstream and reason became taboo.
Whenever a conservative calls out liberal shut they are labeled, a word, and attacked, and no one on the left speaks out against it.
Whenever an asshole lefty attacks a Christian, prolifer or conservative it is consider deserved and appropriate.
The hypocrisy is beyond stupid. It is brainwashing and societal manipulation.
So when a kristen, jaybird, or mikey speak stupidity, confrontational response is the only thing that has any chance of slowing the censorship cult.
Being a pussy when confronted with ‘abortion is healthcare,’ there are 57 genders and you are a racist pig for disagreeing, or you must take the ducking scam covid scam because you have no right to make decisions that disagree with the mantra, or any of the other bullshit lies leftists babble, they accept both societal manipulation and censorship of free thought as normal.
So fuck your if your feewings getted hunted because the bad man didn’t give me a trophy for speaking ignorance.
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The reason the democrat communist party is the shit hole of stupidity it is, is because Americans chose to remain silent no matter what ignorant shit they babbled, causing the. To keep pushing even stupider shit, to the point that depravity became mainstream and reason became taboo.
Whenever a conservative calls out liberal shut they are labeled, a word, and attacked, and no one on the left speaks out against it.
Whenever an asshole lefty attacks a Christian, prolifer or conservative it is consider deserved and appropriate.
The hypocrisy is beyond stupid. It is brainwashing and societal manipulation.
So when a kristen, jaybird, or mikey speak stupidity, confrontational response is the only thing that has any chance of slowing the censorship cult.
Being a pussy when confronted with ‘abortion is healthcare,’ there are 57 genders and you are a racist pig for disagreeing, or you must take the ducking scam covid scam because you have no right to make decisions that disagree with the mantra, or any of the other bullshit lies leftists babble, they accept both societal manipulation and censorship of free thought as normal.
So fuck your if your feewings getted hunted because the bad man didn’t give me a trophy for speaking ignorance.
You're not wrong. In the big picture they NEED to be called out. My defense of people not doing so is that cancel culture became so powerful people would lose their livelihoods for it, banks would close their accounts, contracts would be torn up, they'd be banned from all social platforms, professional associations would black list them, they'd receive death threats, their families and children would receive death threats.
As long as that was the mainstream reaction, people didn't push back and the few who did have MASSIVE balls and are our salvation. Thank God the tide seems to have turned since the election made clear that the leftist cancel culture is actually the minority, and that the majority gave them a big middle finger, so it is becoming a little safer to speak out.
But while this is true in general, it still holds true that if we don't want this forum to become an echo chamber with ever fewer active posters, we might want to be a little considerate of feewings if only for pragmatic reasons.
However, no moderation no censorship anything goes is still king and I support that above all else so, carry on as you wish! ;D
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Only ONE person has ever been banned from The Pilot's place. And he deserved it.
I was banned twice, but never permanently. I know others that were as well.
The only problem with Pilot Spin is that some people are too thin skinned and either don't know how to just ignore, or just choose to be offended.
Nobody forces anyone to read anything, or respond to certain posters.
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I was banned twice, but never permanently. I know others that were as well.
The only problem with Pilot Spin is that some people are too thin skinned and either don't know how to just ignore, or just choose to be offended.
Nobody forces anyone to read anything, or respond to certain posters.
I disagree.
Those assclowns believe they are entitled to decide what opinions are legal and the rest are not.
When people sit down and let them, they always escalate their bullshit behavior.
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But when someone says something here that goes against the group's collective mind, and then they get attacked by a dozen people, it is difficult to feel welcome.
When you post something that is so blatantly stupid, you're going to get called out on it.
Steingar's problem is that he's not interested in healthy debate or finding out that there are alternate views -- perhaps angles that he had not considered. When he comes online, he is in attack mode.
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It’s “difficult to feel welcome?”
Hahahahaha!!!!!
I enter all settings as who I am. I’ve met people whose whole goal is to keep everyone around them on the wrong foot. You can feel it. So, I gird myself to not fall into their trap. It’s glorious … they don’t know how to take me. Which is fine. I’m still me, but stronger than ever. They, however, have lost any illusion that they have any effect at all on my feelings. They don’t touch the core of me.
In the old Spin Zone I never wavered from who I was. And who I am hews to truth and reason. Truth and reason are anathema to leftists. So what. Just keep on. They fall away because their arguments hold no truth, no reason.
Here, Number 7 spews judgement. Lucifer does too but in a more sophisticated way. Everyone else is pretty open minded and looks at all sides. It’s hilarious when “all sides” is unacceptable to someone, and even deemed a biased position! Because it isn’t “welcoming.” Hahahahaha!!!!
“Choose not to be harmed — and you won’t feel harmed.
Don’t feel harmed — and you haven’t been.”
-Marcus Aurelius
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When you post something that is so blatantly stupid, you're going to get called out on it.
Steingar's problem is that he's not interested in healthy debate or finding out that there are alternate views -- perhaps angles that he had not considered. When he comes online, he is in attack mode.
In some people's minds, disagreement is "being attacked". If you can't take a few "f" words, then that's on you. However, I do usually prefer civil discourse.
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I think that summed it up nicely Rush.
As to the word "feelings", I used that word on purpose. Human beings do have feelings. But there are exceptions and psychiatrists have diagnoses for that condition.
Those "feelings" are why so many on this board "claim" that they don't participate on liberal sites. They don 't like having their beliefs challenged, thus the echo chamber here feeds their feelings of superiority.
When I experience the idiocy on the leftist boards, it pushes me to the right.
When I experience the idiocy on sites like PS, it often pushes me to the left.
That's probably explains why I "feel" like a centrist.
edit: Or perhaps that is why I am seen as a RINO. But I look at myself as a Reagan Republican.
I have no feelings of "superiority" when either people agree with me, or I them. However, I do know RIGHT from WRONG. Yes, there are grey areas, and I enjoy discussing them, and being opened minded to alternative views. Communism mixed with Fascism isn't one I'm open to.
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Perfect example of what I mean by policy should not be based on feelings.
The Democrats are blocking a bill to lock up any illegal aliens caught committing crimes. The Laken Riley Act so named because the piece of shit that killed her had previously been caught shoplifting but was free to go on to murder her.
Xaviaer here says the Dems are more concerned about the feelings of the illegal aliens. He’s right.
https://x.com/XAVIAERD/status/1879648757001925006
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I have no feelings of "superiority" when either people agree with me, or I them. However, I do know RIGHT from WRONG. Yes, there are grey areas, and I enjoy discussing them, and being opened minded to alternative views. Communism mixed with Fascism isn't one I'm open to.
Many, many times our first exposure to an event or incident lacks context. Especially in this day of short video clips and tweets. You get a cascade of comments where people took it at face value and tweeted out a knee jerk reaction laden with judgment before knowing any of the facts or background.
This is why I try to consider such things a “grey area” as you say, until a lot more information comes out which sometimes justifies all the first reactions but sometimes reveals that the true story is the exact opposite.
Here’s a very current example. Today there’s a video all over X of a young woman with cerebral palsy who had double mastectomy scars. The first post had tons of enraged comments about the evil doctors who did this to a “mentally retarded” minor.
But at first glance there is no way to know why she had her breasts removed, or at what age she was, and the assumption that a person with cerebral palsy is cognitively impaired is incorrect.
I and others did some digging around and discovered that she is cognitively normal and presumably made the decision herself to transition. She is described as a person who loves new adventures or something like that. Also she is not a minor, she is over 18, although we do not know her age at the time of the mastectomy.
However she has parents who seem to be complete fruitcakes and don’t mind exploiting her disability for attention, and, like so many other girls right now, somehow she got into a group where transitioning is the fad of the day. Back in my day we rebelled by not wearing a bra. Today they cut the boobs right off. 🤦♀️
Anyhow so in this case it turns out most of the rage and judgment is justified however the false idea that cerebral palsy victims are mentally retarded was also widely promoted.
Hence why I like to parse and pick apart stuff until I get all the way down to the detailed truth which is almost never exactly what the immediate collective take is.
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By the way, this same disabled trans person is a political activist involved in something called “Youth in Government”. That very name should frighten us. Let’s face it, youth are stupid, on average, when it comes to politics and life experience. She is all of 19 years old and writing legislation.
Her issues are forcing all public places to have handicapped accessible gender neutral bathrooms, (ADA wasn’t good enough in her opinion) and to allow trans to use whichever lockers rooms, and to change the social security system to give more money to the disabled. You know, the same social security that is currently careening into bankruptcy.
19 year olds have no business voting much less writing law.