PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Mase on January 24, 2025, 01:35:51 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6367580543112
Notice the guy who does not want to go back to Haiti
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Stories like that warm my Heart!
Thank you Obama, for all you did for me!
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Tom Homan just quipped, “I’ve got news for him. yes he is.”
Short, sweet, and to the point.
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I LOVE this. Get that scum the FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. And I love seeing our military being deployed at the border. I’ve been craving that for four years!
However, I have mixed feelings about deporting those that are hard working and committing no crimes. If we really do need the labor, why are they not here on legal work visas? Is the legal process being held up by incompetence or laziness by government or corporations?
I don’t know enough facts to know if it’s true that they are “taking jobs from Americans” or if Americans simply don’t want to do the jobs because we have been telling our kids for decades now that they can all go to college and be doctors and lawyers and bureaucrats and social justice activists and gender study majors, and that physical labor is beneath them. The young women these days are all, “Construction worker? Yuck!”
I have no idea if the little Mexicans - sorry, they’re all short, and maybe they’re not all Mexican but they all speak Spanish that’s for sure - that framed our addition are illegal or not and I’m not going to ask the question. They are being productive, like actually productive, as in producing something tangible, unlike most government employees. Or school administrators. I think I’d rather deport the public school administrators for filling our kids’ heads with trans- ideology, and the university professors for brainwashing our kids into being Hamas-supporting communists.
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I LOVE this. Get that scum the FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. And I love seeing our military being deployed at the border. I’ve been craving that for four years!
However, I have mixed feelings about deporting those that are hard working and committing no crimes. If we really do need the labor, why are they not here on legal work visas? Is the legal process being held up by incompetence or laziness by government or corporations?
I don’t know enough facts to know if it’s true that they are “taking jobs from Americans” or if Americans simply don’t want to do the jobs because we have been telling our kids for decades now that they can all go to college and be doctors and lawyers and bureaucrats and social justice activists and gender study majors, and that physical labor is beneath them. The young women these days are all, “Construction worker? Yuck!”
I have no idea if the little Mexicans - sorry, they’re all short, and maybe they’re not all Mexican but they all speak Spanish that’s for sure - that framed our addition are illegal or not and I’m not going to ask the question. They are being productive, like actually productive, as in producing something tangible, unlike most government employees. Or school administrators. I think I’d rather deport the public school administrators for filling our kids’ heads with trans- ideology, and the university professors for brainwashing our kids into being Hamas-supporting communists.
Illegal is wrong no matter how it's parsed. Go to another country and enter illegally and see how they treat that.
For the argument about illegals working and committing no crimes (besides breaking the law to enter) they are costing us, the taxpayer. They typically work for cash wages, so not taxed. Their children attend our schools we pay for. We pay their healthcare. And on and on.
There are ways to enter legally and find work. These people hiring illegals and paying under the table wages need to be held responsible as well.
They system is broken. Hopefully we are on the way to fix this.
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However, I have mixed feelings about deporting those that are hard working and committing no crimes.
Illegal is wrong no matter how it's parsed.
Don't take this wrong, but this is why we need masculinity in leadership positions.
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Desantis is absolutely CORRECT!! I've hated this 'undocumented alien' horseshit since it came out.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/717272-ron-desantis-illegal-aliens/
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However, I have mixed feelings about deporting those that are hard working and committing no crimes. If we really do need the labor, why are they not here on legal work visas? Is the legal process being held up by incompetence or laziness by government or corporations?
I believe the only visa that isn't capped is the tourist visa. I believe requests for work visas reach the caps that are set by congress within the first couple months of each year. It is likely that the caps are simply too low. Keep in mind that such visa holders must first be sponsored by a US firm that has shown it has offered the work to locals but had no takers. I believe this is the general rule whether the job is for unskilled agricultural worker or high-tech talent.
I don’t know enough facts to know if it’s true that they are “taking jobs from Americans” or if Americans simply don’t want to do the jobs because we have been telling our kids for decades now that they can all go to college and be doctors and lawyers and bureaucrats and social justice activists and gender study majors, and that physical labor is beneath them. The young women these days are all, “Construction worker? Yuck!”
For those who believe free market economies are zero-sum games (i.e. I win only if you lose) then any new entrants, whether from over the border or via the wombs inside the border, will be "taking jobs" from others already "here". On the micro-scale a person who loses out for a job, because another person works cheaper or is more competent, sees the job market as a zero sum game. But on the macro scale it is a positive sum game because each new person produces and consumes, and evolution favors organisms that produce more than they consume. Thousands of years of human population growth while increasing their standard of living at the same time prove we thrive in a positive sum economic system. The only time adding more people becomes a zero sum game, or even a negative sum game, is when force is applied (by "governments" or organized thugs) so productive a large number of humans are subsidized and become only consumers at the expense of the remaining population.
I have no idea if the little Mexicans - sorry, they’re all short, and maybe they’re not all Mexican but they all speak Spanish that’s for sure - that framed our addition are illegal or not and I’m not going to ask the question. They are being productive, like actually productive, as in producing something tangible, unlike most government employees. Or school administrators. I think I’d rather deport the public school administrators for filling our kids’ heads with trans- ideology, and the university professors for brainwashing our kids into being Hamas-supporting communists.
From what I've read I believe that illegal immigrants used to be generally a benefit to everyone else in the economy, but government subsidization combined with no right to work makes such illegals a burden on the economy.
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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6367580543112
Notice the guy who does not want to go back to Haiti
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Notice how they immediately went to work: Didn't have to buy new equipment. Didn't have to hire and train new officers. Didn't even have to locate the combatants.
Potato Joe just left them alone. The left is the real enemy.
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Illegal means they are ILLEGAL.
Bye-Bye.
Coming back will be oh, so hard, since YOU chose to break the law.
That's why illegals should be pouring OUT of the country rather than be rounded up, identified, and never allowed to petition for immigration.
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Don't take this wrong, but this is why we need masculinity in leadership positions.
Oh trust me, I agree with that 1000%.
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Oh trust me, I agree with that 1000%.
So do I.
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Illegal is wrong no matter how it's parsed. Go to another country and enter illegally and see how they treat that.
For the argument about illegals working and committing no crimes (besides breaking the law to enter) they are costing us, the taxpayer. They typically work for cash wages, so not taxed. Their children attend our schools we pay for. We pay their healthcare. And on and on.
There are ways to enter legally and find work. These people hiring illegals and paying under the table wages need to be held responsible as well.
They system is broken. Hopefully we are on the way to fix this.
I’m fine with abolishing birthright citizenship, public schools and socialized healthcare.
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I believe the only visa that isn't capped is the tourist visa. I believe requests for work visas reach the caps that are set by congress within the first couple months of each year. It is likely that the caps are simply too low. Keep in mind that such visa holders must first be sponsored by a US firm that has shown it has offered the work to locals but had no takers. I believe this is the general rule whether the job is for unskilled agricultural worker or high-tech talent.
Thanks. That sounds perfectly reasonable and the problem is the open border. Lock down the border and then they’d have to go through that process.
For those who believe free market economies are zero-sum games (i.e. I win only if you lose) then any new entrants, whether from over the border or via the wombs inside the border, will be "taking jobs" from others already "here". On the micro-scale a person who loses out for a job, because another person works cheaper or is more competent, sees the job market as a zero sum game. But on the macro scale it is a positive sum game because each new person produces and consumes, and evolution favors organisms that produce more than they consume. Thousands of years of human population growth while increasing their standard of living at the same time prove we thrive in a positive sum economic system.
There’s a long history of debate among economists over exactly how this works but seldom considered is the fact that economic growth occurs hand in hand with population growth which has been an a priori premise wrt the U.S. all the way up until pretty much right now.
How to handle the decline of “native” white, black and assimilated legal Hispanic population (American culture) and prevent the takeover by sheer numbers of other cultures who are willing to have more babies than we are is a complex problem. The answer can’t be to stop immigration. Population decline leads to economic contraction if you accept that population growth leads to economic expansion. The solution has to be to allow legal immigration of carefully vetted applicants who aren’t terrorists, criminals or parasites and who accept the U.S. as a constitutional republic.
The only time adding more people becomes a zero sum game, or even a negative sum game, is when force is applied (by "governments" or organized thugs) so productive a large number of humans are subsidized and become only consumers at the expense of the remaining population.From what I've read I believe that illegal immigrants used to be generally a benefit to everyone else in the economy, but government subsidization combined with no right to work makes such illegals a burden on the economy.
Agree completely. Our government has become way too oppressive and cannibalizes its own citizens’ productivity through direct and indirect taxation, regulatory burden, and inflationary monetary policy. This makes the illegal aliens who actually just want to work a big problem, but the cause is an out of control government which also refuses to defend the border and can’t get their shit together to process legal working visas, apparently.
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Trump bringing sanity, common sense, and the rule of law back to the USA. We're becoming a country again, not merely the U.S. Territory.
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So I had a long talk with our contractor. I asked him if he is having any problems with his (Spanish speaking) laborers not showing up due to all the deportation. He said not at all, they’re all legal with work visas. Everybody’s showing up to the jobs. Okay good he’s doing it the right way. I suspected as much, he is a very reputable contractor and was not the lowest bid.
I asked him about hiring Americans first. His answer both surprised me and didn’t surprise me at all. He said, “They’re lazy. And it’s getting much worse. Ten years ago I could find lots of 17 and 18 years olds just begging for work. Now they’re nowhere to be found.”
So he’s confirming that young men are not going into the trades anymore. This is a very serious societal and cultural problem with several causes as far as I can tell. The three biggest ones: 1. Kids are pushed into college, not the trades. 2. Kids do not have “kid” jobs anymore, like we did back in the day. They aren’t expected to earn their spending money in their teens and so aren’t used to working by the time they reach young adulthood. 3. Screens. Need I say more?
There’s a fourth cause I’ve been hearing a lot about and that’s feminism; the lack of interest on the part of women in looking for a mate at a young age (I don’t need no stinking man - and that’s literal in the case of construction workers); the prospect of a wife and family is a major driver of men wanting to work. But both men and women have been programmed to expect to get a college degree and go for white collar jobs putting off thoughts of marriage into the distant future if ever.
And that brings me to the fifth cause: We aren’t making as many kids as we used to. There are fewer of them by the year, therefore fewer young adults looking for work.
So we need to reverse decades worth of these changes so our homegrown guys will want to pick up hammers again. And so we even have homegrown guys. Like convince women to want babies again. Good luck with that. Or we can import laborers. The contractor went on to explain what his laborers had to go through to keep their visas over the years as opposed to why can’t we allow them to gain citizenship after they’ve proven themselves after just two years to be law abiding hard workers and not parasites.
Not saying I agree with him that only two years should be sufficient but I’m open to asking myself, why not? In any case we need to seal tight the border. Stop the flow of illegals completely. That way if a shortage of labor becomes a problem maybe somebody will fix the legal pathway obstacles if we can’t turn around the entire way we’re raising our kids, or even have kids anymore.
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That way if a shortage of labor becomes a problem maybe somebody will fix the legal pathway obstacles if we can’t turn around the entire way we’re raising our kids, or even have kids anymore.
But I've been told there are no obstacles. Our current pathway is working just fine. Or so I have been told.
Other than that, I agree with you 100%.
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But I've been told there are no obstacles. Our current pathway is working just fine. Or so I have been told.
Other than that, I agree with you 100%.
However our current pathway works, it's a relative decision from the point of view of the migrant. As long as it's way easier and faster just to illegally cross the border and disappear into America, they'll keep doing it. If that option is removed then they might just start coming the legal way even if no changes are made and its still difficult. If we get a large flood of legal applicants, that might force immigration to revise the process.
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I saw those pictures on X of an empty HD and Walmart claiming that the illegals were afraid to go shop. They were obviously pictures taken before those stores opened or there would have been some shoppers there as well as employees. More examples of Leftists trying to sway folks.
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I saw those pictures on X of an empty HD and Walmart claiming that the illegals were afraid to go shop. They were obviously pictures taken before those stores opened or there would have been some shoppers there as well as employees. More examples of Leftists trying to sway folks.
I saw those too and suspected they were fake. It's propaganda from the left. I mentioned those to my contractor and he said that's not happening, at least not around here he said. There've been no problems at all.
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But I've been told there are no obstacles. Our current pathway is working just fine. Or so I have been told.
Other than that, I agree with you 100%.
so what problems exist with the current immigration policy/process?
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Minimum wage laws really hurt. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are to be entry-level learn to work and be responsible jobs. They are a stepping stone to either the trades or to college, both of which are suffering from kids who have no idea how to show up on time, do the work, and do it good.
And screens are indeed a problem. When any kid thinks they can be an "influencer" or "content creator" instead of doing real work, that's a problem. I also blame shows where singers (amateur and professional) and other performers (including sports) are worshiped above all else. Where are the shows where programmers, accountants, builders, and plumbers compete for wealth and fame? Not like the HGTV "flip this house for a huge profit" shows, but real competitions? "America's Got Plumbing" should be required watching.
Morning rant OFF.
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so what problems exist with the current immigration policy/process?
I don't know specifically, but something in there is very broken. I've had outstanding PhD students wait years for permission to get off the student visa and get permission to get hired at a university. Others waiting years to get through the system and enter the country legally. I guess like any bureaucratic monster it's terribly inefficient. The policy probably is fine, perhaps with higher quotas. But the process sucks. I don't know why or how, but it sucks. I agree that all immigration should come through the front door, but make sure that door works.
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so what problems exist with the current immigration policy/process?
For one thing you have to get an employer to prove to the government that no American workers exist to fill the job and that he will give you permanent employment. That’s a high bar when the currently accepted paradigm is migrants are “stealing jobs from Americans” which according to my contractor is less and less true by the day, and when the nature of these jobs has no guarantee of permanent employment.
This is what I grok from going to the USCIS website and trying to sort through that tangled mess. I can sympathize with any employer or migrant trying to figure it out.
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Minimum wage laws really hurt. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are to be entry-level learn to work and be responsible jobs. They are a stepping stone to either the trades or to college, both of which are suffering from kids who have no idea how to show up on time, do the work, and do it good.
And screens are indeed a problem. When any kid thinks they can be an "influencer" or "content creator" instead of doing real work, that's a problem. I also blame shows where singers (amateur and professional) and other performers (including sports) are worshiped above all else. Where are the shows where programmers, accountants, builders, and plumbers compete for wealth and fame? Not like the HGTV "flip this house for a huge profit" shows, but real competitions? "America's Got Plumbing" should be required watching.
Morning rant OFF.
THIS!!!!!!!
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Minimum wage laws are one thing, and one thing only...
It is a way for liberal assholes to buy votes.... and they care not that they hurt those who expect it to help.
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https://x.com/JonCovering/status/1883959304245629075
ICE! ICE! Baby!
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so what problems exist with the current immigration policy/process?
The YEARS or perhaps DECADES it takes for legal immigration vs sneaking in today.
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The YEARS or perhaps DECADES it takes for legal immigration vs sneaking in today.
Hear ya. I could put money in the bank, but it just takes to long for the interest to accumulate. However, if I just rob the bank, I get a payout much quicker. ;)
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The “Mexican” (or at least Spanish speaking) painters are here. They don’t seem the slightest bit scared ICE is going to show up for them. But here’s a real shocker: One of them is a woman! An actual female manual laborer! You don’t see that every day.
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Our garbage got picked up today.
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I'm in a deep deep deep blue state... but the guys working the waste management stuff actually work... the people here at risk of being deported aren't working actual jobs.
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The YEARS or perhaps DECADES it takes for legal immigration vs sneaking in today.
Other countries do the same thing. People can come here on Visas, stay, and eventually become Citizens. Look at all the Indians doing it.
There are several, new, expensive, large housing developments around me that are 100% Indian.
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Other countries do the same thing. People can come here on Visas, stay, and eventually become Citizens. Look at all the Indians doing it.
There are several, new, expensive, large housing developments around me that are 100% Indian.
My daughter works in the medical field with a lot of Indians and there are many in her neighborhood. These are very intelligent and hardworking people with stable family lives. This isn’t a matter of them taking lower wages from Americans, but a supply/demand imbalance. Americans getting sicker but fewer young Americans going into medicine maybe because the proportion of dealing with bureaucratic meddling to actually practicing medicine like you want to is becoming too high.
Prices are set by collusion between Big Insurance, Big Corporate Medicine and Big Government Medicine (aka Medicare). It’s not like you can pay an illegal immigrant Indian doctor under the table. Well I guess you could but if you have insurance there’s not much reason to.
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Many Indians are in IT, also, and work for many of the areas corporations. There's a lot of Pharma, Tech, and Financ here. Companies like Vanguard, Merck, Pfizer, and many others.
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