PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on February 04, 2025, 06:22:24 PM
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I’m not sure how I feel about this. Not at all.
https://x.com/simonateba/status/1886944307627671924
BREAKING: Trump Announces U.S. Takeover of Gaza Strip; Netanyahu Hails 'Historic' Plan
In a joint press conference at the White House, President Donald Trump declared, "The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too. We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site."
He proposed relocating the approximately two million Palestinians residing in Gaza to neighboring countries, stating, "Instead of rebuilding Gaza for those who have fought and died there, we should relocate the 1.8 million Palestinians to other countries willing to help." Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu endorsed the plan, asserting, "Trump is taking this to a much higher level—he sees a different future for Gaza that could change history."
Trump: "The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too. We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site."
Trump: "Instead of rebuilding Gaza for those who have fought and died there, we should relocate the 1.8 million Palestinians to other countries willing to help."
Trump: "This place has been a symbol of death and destruction for decades—it should not go through the same process again. We will level it and turn it into something spectacular."
Trump: "By the United States owning that piece of land, we can create thousands of jobs and make something the entire Middle East can be proud of."
Netanyahu: "Trump is taking this to a much higher level—he sees a different future for Gaza that could change history."
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Ben Shapio’s reaction:
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1886952425732403347
Undoubtedly the most extraordinary and unexpected element of Trump’s first term was his remaking of the Middle East with the Abraham Accords. He achieved that Nobel Prize-worthy accomplishment by thinking outside the box, recognizing actual hard realities, and ignoring the conventional idiocy of the blob.
He’s doing the same now with Gaza.
This vision is absolutely transformative.
Whether this is his final vision of the region, a negotiation tactic to achieve better deals, or something else, there is no doubt that Trump’s creative thinking is breaking the mold and changing things.
Let Donald J. Trump cook.
Get ready for my full take on tomorrow’s show.
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Okay maybe he’s doing this?
https://x.com/Ceo_Branding/status/1886947596473598017
The Gaza Bluff: Trump’s Military Threat Is About Deals, Not War
Trump’s “Troops in Gaza” Threat Is a Bluff!
Here’s the Real Play!
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and the Palestinian Authority have shut down any attempt to relocate Palestinians from Gaza.
They’ve rejected forced displacement, demanded Palestinian-led reconstruction, and warned that any move to push Gazans into neighboring countries would destabilize the entire region.
So why is Trump suddenly talking about sending U.S. troops into Gaza?
It’s not about war; it’s about leverage.
•The U.S. has no real intent to launch a military operation in Gaza.
•Israel doesn’t want U.S. troops interfering in its operations.
•Arab states are holding the line against forced Palestinian displacement.
This is saber-rattling to force Arab nations to the table. Trump is creating a crisis to manufacture a deal likely involving post-war reconstruction, security guarantees, or a broader Middle East realignment.
Classic power politics: threaten chaos to get concessions.
The real question isn’t whether U.S. troops are going in it’s what deal is being pushed behind the scenes.
Trump would lose the midterm if we just “took over Gaza” through force. This is his effort to force more negotiation!
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Gaza is kind of the third rail of the middle east.
<sigh>
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I’m not sure how I feel about this. Not at all.
You need to think "big." You need to think outside of the traditional R-D box.
Iraq invaded Kuwait. They couldn't defend themselves, so the US came to their aid -- at great personal cost. We repelled the invaders, and then just left! It was very one-sided. We got nothing out of it and Iraq is still there. We should have demanded a permanent military base there as payment. If we had another base in Kuwait near the bad actors, do you think that would have a stabilizing effect in the Middle East?
If a country cannot support itself, and has to rely on another country's aid, then said country is not really a country -- it is a DeFacto colony. Every country that receives our aid should become a colony or territory of the United States, or we should cut off support and let nature take its course.
We now have a golden opportunity to have a permanent presence in the Middle East. That will bring peace, stability, and prosperity to us and the region.
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If Trump personally wants to buy Gaza, I wouldn't care.
Personally not interested in being forced to fund some Mediterranean time-shares (after all the rubble is cleared and some select developers get sweet deals to rebuild.)
None of the countries in that area of the world want to take in Gazans. Unless, I suppose, they get something in exchange - like a promise of US defense against enemies or piles of money. Just what we need - more entanglements!
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Same strategy as the threat of Tariffs. Negotiation through leverage.
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Interesting replies. Please keep them coming. I need help with this one.
With the tariffs I knew exactly what Trump was doing and I was right. With this I don’t see his thinking. Instead of 4D chess it’s 6D chess and I guess I’m not quite smart enough. It looks on the surface exactly like all the other beginnings of U.S. military entanglements in third world hellholes that goes on for years accomplishing nothing except killing and maiming Americans.
Trump campaigned exactly on not doing that. In every way in his first term and so far his second he has kept or tried to keep all his promises so the strong likelihood here is he’s got something up his sleeve that does not involve kinetic engagement. But how is that possible? Hamas is dug in, in the tunnels under Gaza, and will need to be rooted out and eliminated. He spoke of disarming and disabling all the weapons in Gaza but they’re not just lying around unattended.
Does he think Hamas is going to suddenly have a complete personality change and say okay you win? They aren’t Canada or Mexico. These are people dedicated to kill all Jews and Americans even at the cost of their own lives and the lives of their women and children. Maybe I’m behind on the news and Israel has already completely wiped out Hamas and there’s nobody there now but innocent civilians.
Does he think the civilians will receive us as saviors? Willingly be relocated to other countries? Believe a promise that Gaza will be rebuilt for them to return to? And even if Trump’s promise is sincere, Trump will be gone in 4 years. The U.S. is notorious for new presidents to break the promises of past presidents.
Maybe the plan is something like this: Cut off all humanitarian aid to starve them out. Threaten Iran (with nukes if necessary) to stop them from funding Hamas or any of these other terrorists. Do the thing where you drop pamphlets telling them the U.S. is in charge now, there is no other option but to turn yourselves in where you’ll receive treatment, food, etc. and hope they’ll all take you up on it? Or give them all a million dollars each like was suggested to buy Greenlanders’ loyalty?
The U.S. can do it with overwhelming force and probably succeed. Unlike Vietnam and Afghanistan, there isn’t enough of them and Gaza isn’t big enough to stave us off via guerilla and urban warfare. But this would be a military operation with terrible optics and deaths on both sides. I have a very big problem with American deaths.
I’m having trouble seeing it. Trump saying the U.S. is going to “take over Gaza” is one thing but how exactly? What the hell is the plan?
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Trump's leverage strategy works due to the other world leaders believing he's crazy enough to do it, and he is, actually. The size, might, and dominance of our MARKET, and Military is very persuasive.
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I realize it’s all about the oil but I’m tired of the Middle East. Like to see us disengage except for support of Israel.
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The usual bed wetting is going on about this issue.
Those poor, desperate, attention needy lefties can’t imagine a world where strength out foxes weak pussies wringing their hands and crying about democracy.
A strong Israel and one less crazy radicalmuslim enclave is a wonderful idea.
Pants pissers wake up!
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Nobody cares about your whiny, feminine, bullshit. That train left the station on the first Tuesday of November.
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MAGAZA
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The usual bed wetting is going on about this issue.
Those poor, desperate, attention needy lefties can’t imagine a world where strength out foxes weak pussies wringing their hands and crying about democracy.
A strong Israel and one less crazy radicalmuslim enclave is a wonderful idea.
Pants pissers wake up!
Nobody cares about your Whitney, feminine, bullshit. That train left the station on the first Tuesday of November.
It’s mandatory to have a strong Israel. The Mideast shipping lanes must remain under U.S. protection and we need a strong ally in the area. It’s not about oil either. It’s about everything. Everything from the Far East goes through either the Suez Canal or the Panama Canal. Those two choke points must be protected and under U.S. control. The alternatives are going around the southern tips of South America and Africa which greatly increases the cost, and stuff from the East now goes into virtually every single item in our daily lives.
Trump took action on Panama, I guess this is the action he’s taking on the other one. He seems to have a long range plan to “bring manufacturing home” and be more self sufficient but in reality, bringing manufacturing home actually means bringing design and assembly home, but items are still dependent on raw materials and component manufacturing in dozens of places all over the world.
Globalism has resulted in specialization. You don’t have much manufacturing anywhere where all the materials and the whole process is done locally and the talent even knows how to do all the individual components. The world where a country could make everything it needed right within its own borders is long gone. And it’s not coming back any time soon.
The left (and many on the right) stupidly don’t understand this. But especially the left, because they live in cities and are completely disconnected from any physical steps in the making and transporting of stuff. Things magically appear on store shelves or in a box on your front porch and that’s as far as the thought process goes: POOF! Magic!
If this is the reason behind Trump’s plan it makes perfect sense. But it still needs to be carried out without backfiring on us really badly, like say, a Russia backed Iran throwing nukes into Israel.
EDIT UPDATE! And… I just now heard that Trump has offered an olive branch to Iran. Brilliant! He’s moving chess pieces into place.
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MAGAZA
Lol!
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The real news is that plans are being made to pull all U.S. troops out of Syria:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/dod-drafting-plans-withdraw-us-troops-syria-recent-trump-comments-rcna190726 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/dod-drafting-plans-withdraw-us-troops-syria-recent-trump-comments-rcna190726)
Trump had said "Syria is in its own mess. They've got enough messes over there. They don't need us involved."
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MAGAZA
Shouldn't it be MGAZAGA
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Shouldn't it be MGAZAGA
That assumes Gaza was ever great.
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WSJ has a positive op-ed on Trump's proposal:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-gaza-hamas-palestinians-relocate-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-82f40f95?st=F93MCJ&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-gaza-hamas-palestinians-relocate-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-82f40f95?st=F93MCJ&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Hmmm, I better just copy and paste:
About Those Beachfront Gaza Condos
Critics deride Trump’s idea, but what are they offering Palestinians?
President Trump’s idea that the U.S. might remove and relocate some two million Palestinians from Gaza and then “own” and rebuild the strip isn’t going to happen soon, if ever. But the idea, however preposterous, does have the virtue of forcing the world to confront its hypocrisy over the fate of the Palestinian people.
The reaction to Mr. Trump’s flyer was predictably hyperbolic. Some called it “ethnic cleansing,” as if the U.S. military would round up two million Gazans against their will. Others criticized Mr. Trump for U.S. imperialism, contrary to his campaign theme of deriding foreign interventions. For those reasons and more, his Gaza daydream is fanciful.
But note that Mr. Trump expressed admirable sympathy for the Palestinians and their plight. The Gaza strip “has been a symbol of death and destruction for so many decades and so bad for the people anywhere near it,” he said Tuesday at a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Who could disagree with that?
He went on to say “we should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts, and there are many of them that want to do this and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied by the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza, ending the death and destruction and frankly bad luck.
“This can be paid for by neighboring countries of great wealth. It could be one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight, 12. It could be numerous sites, or it could be one large site. But the people will be able to live in comfort and peace and we’ll get—we’ll make sure something really spectacular is done.”
It’s easy to dismiss this as the fantasy of a presidential huckster who imagines Trump condos on a Gaza Gold Coast. But is his idea so much worse than the status quo that the rest of the world is offering?
The famous “two-state solution,” with a Palestinian state next to Israel, won’t happen as long as Hamas still runs Gaza and could run the West Bank. The Arab states aren’t clamoring to send in peace-keeping forces to eradicate Hamas or govern the strip. The best the world can come up with is to mouth the “two-state” platitude and let Gaza remain a hell-hole where Hamas will revive its reign of terror, and Palestinians who want something different will be tossed off buildings.
The reaction to Mr. Trump’s brainstorm highlights in particular that the Arabs don’t really care about the Palestinians. Egypt refused to take over Gaza when Israel offered it along with the Sinai Peninsula after the 1978 Camp David Accords. Egypt wouldn’t even let Palestinian civilian women and children leave Gaza for a temporary refuge at the height of the recent Hamas-Israel war.
As for Jordan, in 1971 King Hussein killed and expelled Palestinian nationalists who threatened Hashemite rule. “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt,” said Jordan’s King Abdullah II after the Oct. 7, 2023 massacre. Neither country wants Palestinian migrants who might bring jihadist impulses backed by money and guns from Iran.
We doubt Mr. Trump has any appetite to send in the 82nd Airborne to occupy Gaza. We know the American people don’t. But perhaps his pitch will cause the rest of the world to do more to support a post-Hamas government in Gaza that would let Palestinians live in a territory that is better than hell on earth.