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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2025, 06:13:35 AM
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Lots of promises being made that have not yet been kept.
The Epstein list was supposed to be released, anyone seen it?
Video form the SBA office sshowing empty desk, told they would be filled come Monday, anyone seen that video?
Kash proudly said his first act as Director would be to close the FBI headquarters and turn it into a museum, didn't happen.
We've seen so many numbers, like people over 100+ collecting SS, why have we not seen any names, perp walks or mug shots of those actually collecting that money?
How long before we can find out how many fake federal employees there actually are?
If we are canceling all these contracts, shouldn't we be paying down the debt? Maybe we can't because that money was approved by Congress and must be spent somehow?
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Trump has been in office 1 month and 5 days.
A lot of these things take time. The establishment/leftist are ready and will fight back. Go in with guns blazing prematurely and not everything lined up and in place will defeat it.
The AG has the Epstein file. She stated last week that once she is done reviewing it she will release it. She is doing her due diligence to prevent activist judges from interfering.
Kash Patel has been in position for 4 days. He has started by removing 500 FBI agents from DC office jobs and putting them in the field. He's also dealing with rogue agents destroying data on their way out.
Dan Bongino was just named Deputy Director. He and Patel have a monumental job ahead of them.
The other positions have been busy. Remember they are dealing with a 2 million person workforce as well as entrenched deep state types fighting from within.
Trump has successfully cut off much of their funding, thus the fighting and screaming.
Right now the government is headed for a shutdown in March, and if congress presents yet another CR filled with pork, that will take an ugly turn.
The scale of what is going on inside the beltway is unfathomable by most.
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Lots of promises being made that have not yet been kept.
The Epstein list was supposed to be released, anyone seen it?
Video form the SBA office sshowing empty desk, told they would be filled come Monday, anyone seen that video?
Kash proudly said his first act as Director would be to close the FBI headquarters and turn it into a museum, didn't happen.
We've seen so many numbers, like people over 100+ collecting SS, why have we not seen any names, perp walks or mug shots of those actually collecting that money?
How long before we can find out how many fake federal employees there actually are?
If we are canceling all these contracts, shouldn't we be paying down the debt? Maybe we can't because that money was approved by Congress and must be spent somehow?
You HAVE to be kidding, right?
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Watch the first few seconds of this. I guess he was just blustering.
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The AG has the Epstein file. She stated last week that once she is done reviewing it she will release it. She is doing her due diligence to prevent activist judges from interfering.
Or, she is scrubbing any Republicans from the list ;)
BTW, was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
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Or, she is scrubbing any Republicans from the list ;)
BTW, was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
Without due diligence, just tossing the files out there invites leftist activist judges throwing injunctions out and binding the files in the courts for YEARS. Got to cover all the bases and have answers ready.
This is a legal mine field. I don't blame them for going over the material to prevent lawfare from shutting it down.
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Lots of promises being made that have not yet been kept.
The Epstein list was supposed to be released, anyone seen it?
Video form the SBA office sshowing empty desk, told they would be filled come Monday, anyone seen that video?
Kash proudly said his first act as Director would be to close the FBI headquarters and turn it into a museum, didn't happen.
We've seen so many numbers, like people over 100+ collecting SS, why have we not seen any names, perp walks or mug shots of those actually collecting that money?
How long before we can find out how many fake federal employees there actually are?
If we are canceling all these contracts, shouldn't we be paying down the debt? Maybe we can't because that money was approved by Congress and must be spent somehow?
It would be inappropriate to publish (or leak) the names of people suspected of committing illegals acts... unless you would prefer to kill any hope to bring the criminal to trial and get a conviction.
btw - money approved by congress does NOT have to be spent. It would be monumentally stupid for the DoD to get approved for $XXX for something (say a new aircraft) and not be allowed to purchase that something for less. oh wait, we are talking the federal govt... nevermind
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Among the infinite things to be reviewed is the likelihood that jeffrey's client list will prominently feature the current senate minority leader, and other high ranking members of the opposition.
Simply releasing those names without prepared responses from the DOJ and other interested bodies, will absolutely cause the media, and communist democrat party (one and the same) to dismiss the entire thing as nothing but a political stunt like the fucking democrats are famous for committing.
Since there will likely republicans on that list along with shit like hilary and bill, the DOJ needs to have a plan for prosecution, or in the event those crimes fall outside US criminal authority, they still need to be prepared for massive fallout.
Thinking that all this needs is to be released and everything will work itself out is as stupid as thinking merry garland would allow a single democrat, other than two that criticized the biden crime machine, to be prosecuted under his reign.
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No one has an answer for this?
BTW, was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
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It’s possible that list is being used for bargaining chips. The people who likely are on it know a whole lot of dirt.
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For the whiner: U.K. Massive Military Spending Increase
https://archive.is/2025.02.25-140200/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/world/europe/uk-defense-spending-starmer.html
By the way, I’m very disturbed that the national debt hasn’t been paid off yet.
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In addition what others said, I have never favored releasing the list to the public unredacted for the simple reason of innocent until proven guilty. It will subject everyone on that list to assumed guilty and public harassment including death threats and possible violence toward them. Some of them may have merely gone to the island without having sex at all much less “raped” underaged girls. Stephen Hawking comes to mind.
Some of them never went to the island at all, merely flew on the plane. Donald Trump iirc. Bill Clinton also flew on the plane but denies ever going to the island, although in his case it’s easy to believe he’s lying.
These documents are not claimed to be a detailed log of who paid for what sexual services though they might contain such info, we don’t know at this point. There is also no proof that all the girls there were underaged and/or there against their will. The argument that fully adult women can be “groomed” and “trafficked” into prostitution is to deny that fully adult women have agency and free will. It’s different of course when you’re talking about girls barely into their teens.
Are many on that list guilty? Absolutely. Were some of the girls underaged? That’s very likely true if not already confirmed. However if someone went there and had sex with an adult, and did not specifically pay for the sex, that’s not a crime. If payment for sex was involved, it’s only a misdemeanor. Either way is the man a pig? Absolutely. Does he - and his family mind you - deserve to have their lives ruined over it? Well since Donald himself cheated on his wives and possibly with a porn star no less (we don’t actually know he didn’t, it’s he said/she said) we’d be hypocrites if we held these politicians to a different standard than we do Trump since Trump is a sexual pig too. (At least he hasn’t cheated on his wife in the actual physical Oval Office, as far as we know, so he’s slightly less piggish than Bill Clinton.)
That said, if there is any evidence they knowingly diddled minors, not just claims by women looking for a payout, charges should be brought and due process pursued.
The public isn’t known for nuance or restraint. The AG is correct to do due diligence before releasing it to the wolves.
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No one has an answer for this?
BTW, was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
Still no answer
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Still no answer
It's U.S. territory so basically yes, although the exact legal status of any activity is under U.S. Virgin Islands which has their own law. I guess similar to states laws. This is what makes prostitution a misdemeanor.
Edit: I meant to answer this:
BTW, was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
Not sure if that's the question you were looking for an answer on, or was it, why hasn't the list been released?
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I'm with Rush on this. I'm not in favor of releasing the list. There are many things we don't know. Is the list accurate / reliable? Is it complete? Are there people on the list who should not be? It's like a list of suspects in a crime. Some may be guilty. Some may not be guilty. That's probably why they changed it from "suspect" to "person of interest".
Yeah, I have a perverse voyeuristic need to see the list. Legally and ethically it's not a good idea to release it. The ONLY reason to release the full and unaltered list is to be a check on the government. I don't trust them to prosecute the high profile actors unless there is a great public outcry to do so. They may be found guilty. They may be found not guilty. But ALL the people on the list should be all equally and ruthlessly examined to determine their guilt or innocence.
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I spent 2 years in the Virgin Islands when I was still a fed. Plenty of federal cases down there.
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Still no answer
Are your hands broken?
Is it inconceivable that you can’t google for the answer, or are you just being an ass?
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I spent 2 years in the Virgin Islands when I was still a fed. Plenty of federal cases down there.
Is that because the Feds would rather investigate cases in the Virgin Islands as oppose to , say; the Aleutians?
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Are your hands broken?
Is it inconceivable that you can’t google for the answer, or are you just being an ass?
Ooh. Eppy's been spanked.
Here is the question and answer from Microsoft Co Pilot:
Q: Was Epstein Island under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code?
A: Yes, Little Saint James, often referred to as Epstein Island, is part of the U.S. Virgin Islands. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Judicial Code2. The Supreme Court of the Virgin Islands has supervisory jurisdiction over the Superior Court of the Virgin Islands and all other courts within the judicial branch of the Virgin Islands.
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Regarding the Epstein situation, there’s a lot of thirst for blood now that we truly see the extent of the sick corruption we’ve been funding!!!! But I agree with those here who say do it judiciously. Every time I’ve heard this list mentioned, it’s been called the Epstein client list. Clients pay. There should be a reasonable path forward to expose these “clients” in a legally satisfying way.
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(https://i.imgur.com/4H34XY9.jpg)
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Regarding the Epstein situation, there’s a lot of thirst for blood now that we truly see the extent of the sick corruption we’ve been funding!!!! But I agree with those here who say do it judiciously. Every time I’ve heard this list mentioned, it’s been called the Epstein client list. Clients pay. There should be a reasonable path forward to expose these “clients” in a legally satisfying way.
Right. We can’t turn into a mob with pitchforks. Although we completely understand why people are driven to that. We have been abused, gaslit, and oppressed for too long by these self appointed bourgeoisie.
And we certainly do need to see justice and make very public examples of those proven to have committed the crimes. We can do both, be judicious in our judgment and do the judgment.
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Bondi says Epstein files drop tomorrow....
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8091.0;attach=4616)
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Let’s see… for a decade the shit for brains swamp has kept any of jeffy epstein’s client lit a secret.
President Trump goes ape shit on government suspending and waste and the whiners pivot instantly to big hint like little bitches about the client list.
Hmmm…
. Stupid is as stupid does.
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Right. We can’t turn into a mob with pitchforks. Although we completely understand why people are driven to that. We have been abused, gaslit, and oppressed for too long by these self appointed bourgeoisie.
And we certainly do need to see justice and make very public examples of those proven to have committed the crimes. We can do both, be judicious in our judgment and do the judgment.
I'm for torches, and pitchforks.
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I'm for torches, and pitchforks.
I understand the sentiment but I have a problem sweeping up innocent people in these things. Keep in mind half the population has an IQ less than 100. There’s no one posting on this board that falls into that category so we have trouble relating to the idea that there are people who can’t distinguish for example, someone who flew on Epstein’s plane from someone who flew on his plane AND went to his island AND had sex with underage girls. Some people already think Trump is guilty of being an Epstein client.
And anyway the crimes are less about who diddled whom and more about corrupt high level puppet masters luring key people into situations they can now hold over them to keep their behavior in line. This is blackmail and extreme corruption and in fact treason, if any kind of foreign connections are involved or use of the information would affect national security in any way.
A sex offender charge is one thing but we are after much more. At least Bondi better be. We are after the people luring said offender into that mess in the first place and you can bet taxpayer money is heavily involved which is another level of crime.
It’s those shadow government puppet masters who need to face a firing squad. Do not take that to mean I think the “victims” of that blackmail should get off with a slap on the wrist. They probably knew very well it was being logged to keep them in line but they intended to be cooperative forever. They had no idea the Uniparty would lose power and root out all this hidden rot.
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This is what I mean by stupid (the comments). “It HAS to be foul play!” ::) It might be, but Occam’s razor says carbon monoxide. If they haven’t determined the cause of death then there’s no physical trauma, and the dog nails the diagnosis. How many killers also do in the dog? Most don’t.
https://x.com/simonateba/status/1895070810282319872
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They dropped? Posted 5 seconds ago lol!
https://x.com/hw_floyd/status/1895175651369574584
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1895174715439992892
Edit: second post was deleted. I dunno wtf is going on.
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Wow, a picture of folks holding up a paper ::)
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Wow, a picture of folks holding up a paper ::)
It’s a tease! 😡
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It’s a tease! 😡
Here's a link to some PDFs Lots of deleted pages and lots of photo copied newspaper articles in the three I looked through.
https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein/Jeffrey%20Epstein%20Part%2003/view
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Pam Bondi is now claiming the FBI withheld a bunch of stuff and what she had on her desk wasn't complete after all. I don't know what the hell is going on and I need to go back to work.
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The fuckwad fbi pukes are famous for destroying, losing, and altering evidence.
The whole bunch needs fired and indicted.
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Here's a link to some PDFs Lots of deleted pages and lots of photo copied newspaper articles in the three I looked through.
https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein/Jeffrey%20Epstein%20Part%2003/view
um, I only see blank pages.
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It isn’t hard to imagine the remaining swamp, scum, that will soon be fired, and maybe indicted, took LOTS of bribes to keep the documents from ever being released.
These same fucktards demand respect when one interacts with their corrupt asses.
Fuck them to hell and back.
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You HAVE to read Pam Bondi’s letter to Kash Patel.
It will curl your hair. That woman is serious as a heart attack.
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/27/epstein-files-released-heres-what-they-say-n4937390
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I suspect we will never see a list of names. That ship has likely sailed and the "deep state" has seen to it that the list will never be made public
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You HAVE to read Pam Bondi’s letter to Kash Patel.
It will curl your hair. That woman is serious as a heart attack.
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/27/epstein-files-released-heres-what-they-say-n4937390
This part is hilarious!
Phil Wegmann from RealClear Politics posted on X: "I'm told that the letter below concerning Epstein files is legitimate, but that speculation that FBI Director Patel and AG Bondi are at odds is inaccurate." A DOJ sourse told RCP, "They're 100% on the same page."
About her ordering Kash around:
I am also directing you to conduct an immediate investigation into why my order to the FBI was not followed. You will deliver to me a comprehensive report of your findings and proposed personnel action within 14 days.
And they’re misinterpreting this as some sort of friction. Hahahahahahaha! Kash be like “Yes, Mistress!!”
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(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8091.0;attach=4622)
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People expecting perfection immediately. Turning on Trump and MAGA in general because this rollout didn’t go well. Or are all those posts propaganda to demoralize us?
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The daughter of the transportation secretary commenting on the attorney general. Really?
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I suppose an expert on body language could assess Bondi's interview on Fox and come to the same conclusion this non-expert came away with. She's lying or holding information back.
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I suppose an expert on body language could assess Bondi's interview on Fox and come to the same conclusion this non-expert came away with. She's lying or holding information back.
If that’s true do you suppose she has been threatened with death by the fired CIA agents that have formed a rogue resistance force? Did y’all see that Fox News report? I’ll try to find it but busy with actual work right now.
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Interesting take on it here:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/non-disclosure-friday-february-28?utm_source=substack&publication_id=463409&post_id=158101817&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=1tzpfo&triedRedirect=true
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Interesting take on it here:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/non-disclosure-friday-february-28?utm_source=substack&publication_id=463409&post_id=158101817&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=1tzpfo&triedRedirect=true
Yep
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This big Epstein reveal reminds me of all the "big reveals" that were promised after the 2020 election that were going to prove the election was stolen.
Then nothing happened. Or at least, nothing was revealed. Of course that is not to say that there WAS nothing. Just that nothing was revealed.
But I'm still waiting and hopeful.
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I understand the need to redact the names of the victims, and that takes a lot of time. It also results in a lot of black boxes that look like something is being held back. Hard to know. But I do think that this release is not what was promised and seems to be a big nothing. I'm still hopeful and ever optimistic. And disappointed. I don't have a great need to see the Epstein files, but I do have a great need for this administration to do what they say they are going to do.
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Interesting take on it here:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/non-disclosure-friday-february-28?utm_source=substack&publication_id=463409&post_id=158101817&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=1tzpfo&triedRedirect=true
Wow. Sounds quite plausible!
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Any bets on whether we ever see anymore files?
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Any bets on whether we ever see anymore files?
Just imagine for a moment what those files can do for many very prominent swamp dwellers and officials from various countries. Prince Phillip has already tarnished the British Royals with his involvement and lawsuits. Bill Gates is another one that has an empire that will implode once the world sees first hand he's a pedophile. And then there is Bill Clinton.
Latest is they are going through the files for "national security" and "protecting the rights of victims". That translates to ongoing negotiations behind closed doors to redact info. You can bet lives are being threatened right now.
Also expect a file dump on stuff such as UFO's real soon as a diversion. The deep state is fighting for it's survival.
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Billionaires like Gates, and elite politicians, and other self appointed Masters of the Universe need a guillotine party, metaphorically speaking, to show others they're not untouchable, nor above the law.
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Just imagine for a moment what those files can do for many very prominent swamp dwellers and officials from various countries. Prince Phillip has already tarnished the British Royals with his involvement and lawsuits. Bill Gates is another one that has an empire that will implode once the world sees first hand he's a pedophile. And then there is Bill Clinton.
Latest is they are going through the files for "national security" and "protecting the rights of victims". That translates to ongoing negotiations behind closed doors to redact info. You can bet lives are being threatened right now.
Also expect a file dump on stuff such as UFO's real soon as a diversion. The deep state is fighting for it's survival.
This! It irks me that people are bashing Bondi over this and missing this nuance. She made some mistakes, promised too much before she knew what she was doing, but this is uncharted territory. Nobody has ever tried to take down the deep state before, and they are desperate so they’ll resort to anything including threats and murder.
As an aside, sometimes I wonder if women are more susceptible to death threats than men. Women tend to prioritize security. Men prioritize getting stuff done, and/or climbing the status ladder as best they can.
On average of course. There certainly are chickenshit men. But look at Trump: Totally immune to death threats and even attempts! That’s what we need in all these key positions attacking the deep state. There are probably few women with that kind of balls. Is Bondi one of them?
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Lots of promises being made that have not yet been kept.
The Epstein list was supposed to be released, anyone seen it?
Video form the SBA office sshowing empty desk, told they would be filled come Monday, anyone seen that video?
Kash proudly said his first act as Director would be to close the FBI headquarters and turn it into a museum, didn't happen.
We've seen so many numbers, like people over 100+ collecting SS, why have we not seen any names, perp walks or mug shots of those actually collecting that money?
How long before we can find out how many fake federal employees there actually are?
If we are canceling all these contracts, shouldn't we be paying down the debt? Maybe we can't because that money was approved by Congress and must be spent somehow
I'm beginning to see Eppy's point. I'm ready for some results. Especially in the stock market
And I disagree with the way Trump is handling Canada.
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WTF? It's been a month. The President doesn't control the stock market. His economic and energy policies will eventually lead to a more prosoerous economy.
Jeez people.
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I'm beginning to see Eppy's point. I'm ready for some results. Especially in the stock market
And I disagree with the way Trump is handling Canada.
I’m feeling insecure about a lot of stuff Trump is doing but holding off rushing to judgment until I see how it ends up. Tariffs, the Ukraine thing, the Gaza thing, even DOGE is attacking some things I disagree with, like funding for actual legitimate medical research.
But we badly needed the shakeup in all these areas, domestic and foreign and I have no regrets voting for him. The U.S. would be bankrupt and dead in no time if Harris had won.
But Trump is not perfect, and he still has powerful enemies trying to sabotage everything he’s doing. People on both sides are irritating me. I prefer watchful waiting.
“ZOMG Trump has destroyed the U.S.’s reputation! He’s getting us into WW3! His tariff’s are going to raise prices!”
Or:
“Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. It’s 5D chess! The Dems are done, America is strong again and we are on the cusp of a new golden age.”
Both are unrealistic. Reality is going to be a mixed bag.
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My youngest son posted somethnig about charities and their degree of effectiveness and compared it to social security. It go me to thinking, shouldn't all FICA revenue be distributed and any administrative cost come from the general fund balance?
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WTF? It's been a month. The President doesn't control the stock market. His economic and energy policies will eventually lead to a more prosoerous economy.
Jeez people.
Yeah as far as the stock market goes, we are reeling from 4 years of horrendous bad management by Biden. Killing oil drilling alone is responsible for a huge portion of it. Oil prices directly impact freight cost which directly impacts everything in the economy.
That is not reversed in a few short weeks. It’s going to get worse before it gets better as there is a time lag before new policy implementation produces results.
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. The President doesn't control the stock market.
That's the big lie that people tell when their favorite politician does something that hurts the economy.
How often have we said or heard that Biden killed the economy.
Trump can open his mouth and cause me to lose $50k in a day or an hour.
Then he can reverse himself and I might gain $40k of that back the next day.
The President and his appointees can have a huge sway on the market. I do agree with you that in the long run Trump's policies will have a positive effect. I just don't know if I will live that long. Especially if he doesn't show more positive results before the 2026 mid-terms. Otherwise we may see a huge shift in the House and Senate.
And while I still agree with most of the things he is doing, I do not agree with the way he is handling Canada.
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The sway in the stock markets when the president says something generally comes from the amateur side who buy and sell on whims. Fortunately they create buy opportunities for the more disciplined investors.
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The DOW swings with the breeze.
Watch the S&P for a bit more clarity on the mood of institutional investors.
Pretending that it’s been a month and everything isn’t perfect is immature, and disingenuous, at best. I’m sure that that kinds of criticism is welcome on cnn and poa but rejected in more intellectually honest forums.
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The sway in the stock markets when the president says something generally comes from the amateur side who buy and sell on whims. Fortunately they create buy opportunities for the more disciplined investors.
Those are short term day to day variations. What matters is the overall trend over the “long” term. Compare it to the same month last year for example.
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That's the big lie that people tell when their favorite politician does something that hurts the economy.
How often have we said or heard that Biden killed the economy.
Trump can open his mouth and cause me to lose $50k in a day or an hour.
Then he can reverse himself and I might gain $40k of that back the next day.
The President and his appointees can have a huge sway on the market. I do agree with you that in the long run Trump's policies will have a positive effect. I just don't know if I will live that long. Especially if he doesn't show more positive results before the 2026 mid-terms. Otherwise we may see a huge shift in the House and Senate.
And while I still agree with most of the things he is doing, I do not agree with the way he is handling Canada.
Biden"s policies hurt the economy OVER TIME, and yes his rhetoric hurt too. However , we still had good stock performance. But, how long has Trump been in office for his policies to influence anything?
So, you're wrong, again. Ultimately, the markets will turn positive.
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Devil’s advocate.
The stock market has grown historically because the United States has grown. The economy was driven by a growing population that was both productive and investing in that same capitalistic production.
As the size and structure of the population changes, investment capital will decrease, and we might be taking for granted that stocks will continue to rise as they have historically.
Assuming no net immigration and the current fertility rate, we will reach peak population about 2033 after which it will decline and grow proportionately older and less productive/investing by the year. Stay on that trajectory the United States will have zero occupants in about 200 years.
That won’t happen, of course, because we will have net immigration. But the demographics are changing and we are at risk of ideological change away from what fuels our stock market.
Just sayin’ don’t assume the future will be like the past.
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How much do Black Rock and Vanguard influence the market?
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How much do Black Rock and Vanguard influence the market?
No idea so I asked Grok:
BlackRock and Vanguard are two of the largest asset management firms in the world, and their influence on the stock market is substantial due to their massive holdings and the way they manage their funds. Let’s break it down:
Scale of Influence
Assets Under Management (AUM): As of early 2025, BlackRock manages around $10 trillion, and Vanguard manages approximately $8.5 trillion. Together, that’s roughly $18.5 trillion, a significant chunk of global financial assets.
Ownership in Companies: They are among the top shareholders in many major publicly traded companies, especially in the U.S. For example, they often hold large stakes (5-10% or more) in S&P 500 companies like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and others. Their combined ownership in some firms can exceed 15-20% when you include other passive investors like State Street.
Passive Investing Dominance: Both firms are leaders in index funds and ETFs, which track broad market indices like the S&P 500. This "passive" strategy means they own huge swaths of the market proportional to its makeup, amplifying their influence without actively picking winners or losers.
How They Shape the Market
Market Stability and Correlation: Because their index funds buy and hold stocks in proportion to indices, they contribute to market stability in the sense that they don’t trade as aggressively as active managers. However, this also increases correlation—stocks tend to move together more than they might otherwise, as money flows into or out of index funds indiscriminately.
Voting Power: As major shareholders, they wield significant influence over corporate governance through proxy voting. BlackRock and Vanguard often vote on issues like executive pay, board appointments, and ESG (environmental, social, governance) policies. BlackRock’s CEO, Larry Fink, has pushed sustainability, which can sway corporate behavior across industries.
Liquidity and Price Impact: Their sheer size means their buying or selling (even if rare) can move markets. For instance, rebalancing an index fund or launching a new ETF can shift demand for certain stocks, influencing prices.
Concerns and Criticisms
Concentration of Power: Some argue that their dominance (along with a few other giants) creates a quasi-monopoly in ownership, potentially reducing competition. If they own big stakes in competing firms (e.g., Coke and Pepsi), they might indirectly dampen rivalry, though studies on this are mixed.
Systemic Risk: If something destabilizes these giants—like a massive redemption wave from their funds—it could ripple through the entire market.
Passive Influence Paradox: While they don’t actively pick stocks, their size means they still shape market dynamics passively, which some see as distorting traditional price discovery.
Numbers in Context
The U.S. stock market’s total capitalization is around $50-55 trillion (as of early 2025 estimates). BlackRock and Vanguard’s equity holdings are a fraction of their AUM (much of it is in bonds, cash, etc.), but their U.S. stock ownership is estimated at 15-20% of the market when combined. That’s not control, but it’s a hefty sway.
Globally, their influence is diluted (global equity markets are ~$120 trillion), but they’re still titans.
Conclusion
BlackRock and Vanguard don’t "control" the stock market in a direct, manipulative sense—they’re not day-trading or rigging prices. Their influence comes from scale, passive investing, and shareholder voting power. They’re more like gravitational forces: they don’t dictate every move, but their presence warps the market’s orbit. If you’re looking for deeper data on specific sectors or companies they dominate, I can dig into that—let me know!
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Do we believe the conclusion about now?
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Vanguard is located a stones throw away from me. They employ thousands of Indians that live in my area, whom dominate most of the newer housing developments that replaced the farms.
Not saying they're not good people. Hard working, law abiding, keep to themselves, etc. However, how many American college grads are unemployed because of the their Visas because they'll work for a little less?
BkackRock and Vanguard are part of the Schwab WEF cabal, and are the enemy of America.
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However, how many American college grads are unemployed because of the their Visas because they'll work for a little less?
I don't know the answer to your question, but it does beg another question.
How many American college grads are unemployed because of the major they chose or their other life choices?
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I own some Blackrock and Vanguard as anyone who has a decent retirement portfolio should. Yes, those two exert too much “gravitational pull” but that’s not to say they are evil corporations out to destroy the little people when the little people benefit if they have investments in them.
That’s also not to say it’s not a problem that they are too big and have too much influence. It’s part of the problem of “globalism” with its international economies of scale and interdependence which has brought both good and bad to humanity.
The good: Lifted most of the world out of poverty.
The bad: Nations are no longer self sufficient, but dependent on a complex web of trade leaving us vulnerable to disaster if disrupted by any sort of catastrophe, war being the most likely.
Huge entities like that tend to become like black holes, vacuuming up everything around them until the whole system collapses under its own weight. Anti-trust laws are our feeble attempt to avoid that but it’s a difficult force of nature to oppose.
We just have to ride it out. The future is not guaranteed.
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We just have to ride it out. The future is not guaranteed.
There is no fate....
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I don't know the answer to your question, but it does beg another question.
How many American college grads are unemployed because of the major they chose or their other life choices?
Interesting question... I asked Grok:
College Majors with the Worst Employment Records
Art History
Unemployment Rate: Around 8% for recent graduates.
Why: The field has limited direct job opportunities, often requiring a master’s degree or higher for roles like museum curator or archivist. Many graduates face underemployment, with over 50% working in jobs unrelated to their training.
Fine Arts
Unemployment Rate: Approximately 7.9–12.6% depending on the source.
Why: High competition and low demand for roles like artists or gallery workers mean many graduates end up in unrelated, lower-skilled jobs. Median early-career salaries are often below $40,000.
Liberal Arts / General Studies
Unemployment Rate: Around 7.8–9.4%.
Why: The broad nature of the degree lacks specialization, making it harder to compete in fields requiring specific skills. Underemployment is common, with salaries often starting at $38,000 or less.
History
Unemployment Rate: Approximately 7.5%.
Why: While valuable for critical thinking, the major lacks a direct career path without further education (e.g., teaching or academia). About 30–50% of graduates are underemployed.
English Language and Literature
Unemployment Rate: Around 6.6%.
Why: Writing and teaching jobs are competitive, and many roles don’t require a degree, leading to underemployment rates exceeding 40%. Early-career earnings hover around $40,000.
Mass Media / Communications
Unemployment Rate: Approximately 6.3–8.4%.
Why: The decline in traditional media (e.g., journalism, radio) and high competition for creative roles result in unemployment and underemployment (around 50%). Salaries start low, often below $40,000.
Aerospace Engineering
Unemployment Rate: Around 7.8%.
Why: Surprisingly, this technical field has high unemployment due to its niche nature—jobs are concentrated in a few large companies, and security clearances can limit opportunities. However, underemployment is lower (under 20%).
Sociology
Unemployment Rate: Around 7–8%.
Why: Without graduate-level education, job options are limited to social services or unrelated fields, with many graduates underemployed (over 50%) and earning around $40,000 early on.
Performing Arts
Unemployment Rate: Around 5–8%.
Why: High competition for acting, theater, or music roles leads to significant underemployment (up to 70%). Many graduates rely on supplemental income from unrelated jobs.
Anthropology and Archaeology
Unemployment Rate: Around 10.5% (older data, but still relevant).
Why: Very few jobs directly relate to the major, and those that do (e.g., research, academia) often require advanced degrees. Salaries start as low as $28,000–$30,000.
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Vanguard is located a stones throw away from me. They employ thousands of Indians that live in my area, whom dominate most of the newer housing developments that replaced the farms.
Not saying they're not good people. Hard working, law abiding, keep to themselves, etc. However, how many American college grads are unemployed because of the their Visas because they'll work for a little less?
BkackRock and Vanguard are part of the Schwab WEF cabal, and are the enemy of America.
I’d say that as globalists Schwab and the WEF cabal are the enemy of American sovereignty and hegemony rather than America per se. They like that America is rich in power and resources, they just want to control them, as well as all the rest of the world. This is classic evil mastermind trope, and they literally ARE that.
Though they are the enemy of the common American citizen, that’s true, whom they would hate if they regarded them as human, which they don’t. Being psychopaths they see people simply as objects to use for their own ends.
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I’d say that as globalists Schwab and the WEF cabal are the enemy of American sovereignty and hegemony rather than America per se. They like that America is rich in power and resources, they just want to control them, as well as all the rest of the world. This is classic evil mastermind trope, and they literally ARE that.
Though they are the enemy of the common American citizen, that’s true, whom they would hate if they regarded them as human, which they don’t. Being psychopaths they see people simply as objects to use for their own ends.
I would add they're the enemy to what America was intended to be. The land of Rights, Freedom, Liberty, and opportunity for all.
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I don't know the answer to your question, but it does beg another question.
How many American college grads are unemployed because of the major they chose or their other life choices?
Many college grads are their own worst enemy, so yes, I agree with that sentiment. However, the IT, and engineering types are taking a hit also.