PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 04, 2025, 08:12:58 AM
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Apparently the American people want the Dems to fight back against Trump’s lies.
This is the kind of crap that keeps me awake at night. I have to believe we will win.
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1908166698294706203
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Well, now there is an actual insurrection.
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In the real world that is called treason.
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It’s an insurrection against the government.
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Apparently the American people want the Dems to fight back against Trump’s lies.
What lies? I would really like to see what lies he's told. Yes, he exaggerates. Yes, he misspeaks sometimes. Yes, he speaks in metaphors. But outright lies? We've heard this for years, but never any examples.
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What lies? I would really like to see what lies he's told. Yes, he exaggerates. Yes, he misspeaks sometimes. Yes, he speaks in metaphors. But outright lies? We've heard this for years, but never any examples.
Like, “If I’m elected I’ll end the Russia - Ukraine war in one day.”
NO ONE took that literally. Yet the idiot left will say Trump lied! This is the sort of thing they’re talking about, all his hyperbole, jokes and exaggerations.
Once you understand his style of speaking, Trump is THE MOST honest president of my lifetime. And yes that includes Reagan.
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Every time a democrat accuses President atrump of lying, they are trying to avoid us looking at their lies.
Fuck them all with a flat head shovel, covered in rancid cow shit.
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In the real world that is called treason.
Democrats are allowed to commit treason. They do it daily.
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Like, “If I’m elected I’ll end the Russia - Ukraine war in one day.”
"one day"... just not today.
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"shadow cabinet"
so, what power does this "shadow cabinet" have?
What can it do or accomplish?
or is this just a different version of their little signs?
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"one day"... just not today.
So far it's been over forty days and forty nights and there is no land in sight yet. And all the animals are at each other's throat.
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So far it's been over forty days and forty nights and there is no land in sight yet. And all the animals are at each other's throat.
life is not a 60 minute crime drama.
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"one day"... just not today.
Right! The day of an actually signing of a peace agreement will be on one day. Technically he’s right! ;D
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So far it's been over forty days and forty nights and there is no land in sight yet. And all the animals are at each other's throat.
According to the Media, your wife, and her friends. ::)
Many people know better. Businesses take time to become profitable. Do you give up because the first quarter or two are bad?
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life is not a 60 minute crime drama.
That's exactly the non response I predicted.
That's about as relevant as the fact that Trump has been in office for 109,440 minutes.
I think Trump has bitten off more than he can chew and his ego won't let him admit it.
What would be your response if a Democrat were doing exactly what Trump is doing?
What would it take for you (all of you) to conclude Trump is on the wrong path? What consequences are you willing to accept?
But I don't expect an answer to that any more than I got an answer to my question of "how long should it take? A year? Two years? 10?
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According to the Media, your wife, and her friends. ::)
There you go again. Leave my wife out of it.
Many people know better. Businesses take time to become profitable. Do you give up because the first quarter or two are bad?
I know what it takes to make a business become profitable. I've done it. Twice. For one thing, you have to have a game plan that makes sense and that you believe in. Treating every fucking country int he world as an enemy makes no sense.
edit: took out something I wrote before coffee.
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So far it's been over forty days and forty nights and there is no land in sight yet. And all the animals are at each other's throat.
All signs point to Putin willing to stop the war right now as long as he can keep the territory he is occupying, or at least some negotiated portion of it, and no nukes in Ukraine. He doesn’t want Ukraine in NATO either but I’m not sure he would insist on a promise never to admit Ukraine to NATO because that would be a deal killer for Zelensky and Putin doesn’t trust the West to keep its promises anyway.
The holdup is Zelensky. He wants Russia withdrawn to pre-war borders. He may or may not agree to relinquish Crimea. He also insists on a “security guarantee” meaning NATO membership or having nukes back. He doesn’t seem warm to the idea of American investment and a demilitarized zone as the only security guarantee. He is happy to continue grinding on and on as long as there is money flowing in from somewhere, watching his people die for absolutely nothing at this point.
It’s plain as day Putin will not withdraw, so Putin is at least sending people to die for the probability of gaining new territory so there’s a justification however immoral for staying in the fight. Zelensky on the other hand is in denial. He can’t accept that no matter how much help he gets, he’s not going to push Putin back, ever. He’s sending his people to die for no foreseeable gain, for only “the principle of the thing” at this point, and because of a visceral hatred for Russians. And the money. None of that is justification. There is something to be said for never giving up, but you also must recognize a lost cause.
I’m wondering if this can’t end until Ukraine gets rid of Zelensky.
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That's exactly the non response I predicted.
That's about as relevant as the fact that Trump has been in office for 109,440 minutes.
I think Trump has bitten off more than he can chew and his ego won't let him admit it.
What would be your response if a Democrat were doing exactly what Trump is doing?
What would it take for you (all of you) to conclude Trump is on the wrong path? What consequences are you willing to accept?
But I don't expect an answer to that any more than I got an answer to my question of "how long should it take? A year? Two years? 10?
There are a lot of moving parts making it impossible to predict timelines and outcomes. Rather than concluding “Trump is on the wrong path”, I would end up saying his tactics could have been tweaked better, but his overall vision is not wrong.
The machine that is the federal government, its budget and grip on the U.S. economy, is an entrenched entangled mess with many strings and cords all tangled up in knots. You have a point that maybe he should focus on disentangling one small part at a time, but meanwhile it is a living, growing thing, and will thwart his efforts and continue metastasizing even as he tackles it. So he’s taking a more systemic, chemotherapy approach: Hitting it everywhere all at once.
The pain of a stock market crash and anxiety of making enemies and fearing future catastrophe is the effects of chemotherapy. I watched my daughter go through it. In the end she was cured but the extreme anxiety and discomfort of the treatment was unavoidable. I think the analogy holds a lot of water; our federal government is a cancer.
Our catastrophic fiscal predicament took decades to form and Trump has basically barely a year to get results and he is gambling that his very aggressive approach might result in a positive turnaround by summer or the end of this year. But yes, the aggressive approach is causing a lot of (hopefully) short term pain.
If it doesn’t turn around by the end of the year, the Dems will campaign on every bad thing (which they will anyway, even if they have to twist and distort and lie) and take back the House and Senate in ‘26. If that happens we’re doomed, because EOs can’t last; we must codify much of this into law.
In the meantime the Uniparty is doing everything it can to stop him. The rogue judges, the media propaganda, the organized and funded terrorism being carried out against Musk. All of this would be happening even if Trump were being a slow and steady turtle instead of prosecuting a Blitzkrieg. Only then it might be more effective. Did you think the Uniparty would go along with him if he were being slow and careful? No, all that would do would make it easier for them to fight him.
The tariffs are an integral part of the whole picture, not simply “a tax”. The idea is the cost imposed will be more than countered by a budget so reduced that we can eliminate income taxes, and have the benefits of job creation and a rallying, booming stock market.
The problem is, unlike my daughter, who is intelligent and understood the price to pay for a cure, the general public is stupid, impatient, and unacquainted with the idea of sacrifice for a better future. They are going to end up sabotaging it all before it has a chance to work.
So yes, there is a real chance Trump could fail, because all his enemies will see to it. Did we expect everything to be sunshine and roses from the minute he took office? I guess some of us did. And Trump is going faster and crazier than I expected. But I’m not ready to say he’s wrong yet.
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That's exactly the non response I predicted.
That's about as relevant as the fact that Trump has been in office for 109,440 minutes.
I think Trump has bitten off more than he can chew and his ego won't let him admit it.
What would be your response if a Democrat were doing exactly what Trump is doing?
What would it take for you (all of you) to conclude Trump is on the wrong path? What consequences are you willing to accept?
But I don't expect an answer to that any more than I got an answer to my question of "how long should it take? A year? Two years? 10?
I wouldn’t expect full market recovery in less than a year because things have to happen and everything isn’t a sitcom where the bad guy is discovered, caught,and sent to prison in 30 minutes.
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That's exactly the non response I predicted.
That's about as relevant as the fact that Trump has been in office for 109,440 minutes.
I think Trump has bitten off more than he can chew and his ego won't let him admit it.
What would be your response if a Democrat were doing exactly what Trump is doing?
What would it take for you (all of you) to conclude Trump is on the wrong path? What consequences are you willing to accept?
But I don't expect an answer to that any more than I got an answer to my question of "how long should it take? A year? Two years? 10?
It will take as long as it takes
You have this obsession with putting a specific time.
How fast do we want?
I feel that no matter what answer you get, you won’t be satisfied
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It will take as long as it takes
You have this obsession with putting a specific time.
How fast do we want?
I feel that no matter what answer you get, you won’t be satisfied
You might be right. I won't be because it is not the time line that bothers me. It is the direction. I only mentioned time because I keep being told there has not been enough time yet. That obviously begs the question, How much time is enough to get where you are going when you are going in the wrong direction.
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You might be right. I won't be because it is not the time line that bothers me. It is the direction. I only mentioned time because I keep being told there has not been enough time yet. That obviously begs the question, How much time is enough to get where you are going when you are going in the wrong direction.
Joe,
You often claim you are not liberal, but your posts are just like every low information liberal ever.
Maybe you haven't noticed the number of idiotic lawsuits brought against everything the President has ordered, but we have.
Maybe you haven't followed the swamp fighting everything the DOGE people are doing.
Those things DELAY improvement.
Other things take time.
It takes much time to destroy a good economy than to repair it once the liberals have done their bullshit.
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I expect that the market will continue to contract. A quick five percent or so, then a steady decline of maybe another ten percent. Then it will turn around. We'll be back even by July and well above that by the end of the year. We're erasing the artificial bubble caused by extremely bad monetary policies of the last administration to benefit leftist / globalist billionaires. We're replacing the bubble with an actual strong economy that benefits everyone.
I'm just making this up, but it feels right to me.
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Joe,
You often claim you are not liberal, but your posts are just like every low information liberal ever.
How cute. I'm sure you say that to everyone that doesn't agree with everything you say.
Maybe you haven't noticed the number of idiotic lawsuits brought against everything the President has ordered, but we have.
Of course I have.
Maybe you haven't followed the swamp fighting everything the DOGE people are doing.
Of course I have.
Those things DELAY improvement.
I know that.
Other things take time.
It takes much time to destroy a good economy than to repair it once the liberals have done their bullshit.
I know that too.
I thought just about EVERYTHING Biden and Obama did was wrong.
I believe that most of the things Trump is doing are right. I just think he is making some huge mistakes in the way he is doing them. And some of those mistakes may be irrecoverable. If you think that makes me a liberal, you really need to "think again". (or perhaps "for a change").
What good can possibly come from Trump driving the EU to do more business with China?
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The EU WANTS to align with other totalitarian socialist/communist societies to use that connection to maintain inappropriate control over others.
The long term. end result will be a joke because without the US driving the market their affect will be weak.
Socialist societies always revolve into hell holes and often unnecessary wars.
Fuck china and the fucking EU shit bags. Their strength is in a compliant US not an independent one.
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I expect that the market will continue to contract. A quick five percent or so, then a steady decline of maybe another ten percent. Then it will turn around. We'll be back even by July and well above that by the end of the year. We're erasing the artificial bubble caused by extremely bad monetary policies of the last administration to benefit leftist / globalist billionaires. We're replacing the bubble with an actual strong economy that benefits everyone.
I'm just making this up, but it feels right to me.
We have all known it’s a bubble for quite a while. Do any of you deny knowing this?
The elephant in the room nobody is talking about, is that the whole foundation of the stock market is built on a capital investment paradigm. It grows indefinitely - we expect it to - but that can happen only as long as people are putting investments into it. We have a population bubble (boomers) in addition to our various temporary stock market bubbles, who drove massive growth by stuffing money into it (encouraged by tax law) but who are now retiring and withdrawing (as Bob just illustrated).
They withdraw and spend that money in consumption, which doesn’t mean it goes away, but the rate at which it is reinvested back as capital is not equal to the massive input of the past decades of growth. There is a gradual shift away from an economy based on robust capital investment and toward a consumption based economy. And, we have less people in the generations coming after the boomers to earn and invest at all. How do you expect to fuel a growing economy, if your country isn’t growing?
Well, the population is still growing for now, but the youth are not investing like the boomers did. And even if they were, there are relatively fewer of them. The days of cheap, abundant capital are probably near an end. I don’t know how much of this is in Trump’s conscious awareness, but possibly he’s using tariffs to draw capital investment into the U.S. from foreign countries to make up for boomers flipping from investing to withdrawing.
Capital investment is nothing more and nothing less than optimism for the future. And optimism requires an expectation of stability which requires faith in your fellow man. It’s all a house of cards and always has been.
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What good can possibly come from Trump driving the EU to do more business with China?
One of Trump’s team’s biggest goals is to massively cut our business with China, as a national security issue. China is our adversary, yet we are now dependent on them for everything from smartphones to kitchen utensils, OTC painkillers, antibiotics, hydrocortisone, surgical supplies, light bulbs, laptops, lithium batteries, steel pipes, semiconductor chips and heavy machinery parts needed for construction and manufacturing of anything we do here in the states.
I’m not even going to talk about the sensitive and somewhat classified matter of Chinese parts and materials being used to maintain our military, including fighter jets, tanks and assorted everything else, which is now completely dependent on the whole global supply chain, including China.
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Exactly. Being so terribly dependent on a potential adversary is really, really bad. If China suddenly decided to stop all shipments, we'd be in a world of hurt.
Yet unsaid are the billions of dollars going the other direction into China. They turn around and buy US infrastructure, land, and anything else for sale. Detaching from China is a good thing.
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Exactly. Being so terribly dependent on a potential adversary is really, really bad. If China suddenly decided to stop all shipments, we'd be in a world of hurt.
Yet unsaid are the billions of dollars going the other direction into China. They turn around and buy US infrastructure, land, and anything else for sale. Detaching from China is a good thing.
Or at least partially detaching. China can't suddenly cut us off, they depend on the income from selling us their shit, but there is enough tension (over Taiwan for instance) that we cannot assume they are our friends, or won't cut off specifics needed to prosecute a defense (of Taiwan for instance) if or when they decide to make their move.
But it's way more than China. Its is hundreds of countries all over the world that participate in what we now have, which is a global system of disassembled parts, where no one party has the knowledge and skill to dig up the resources locally and craft an item from start to finish. Just about everything we rely on from everyday items to complex systems like aircraft, building construction, surgical implants, technological devices, etc., is now reliant on dozens, hundreds, and even thousands of individual materials and componants sourced from all around the world.
Disentangling from that isn't going to happen soon or without pain, and isn't even practical at this point. We may be forced to eventually, if the U.S. Navy for whatever reason can no longer protect the shipping lanes. Trump can only partially recover some homeland "manufacturing" which will be more like homeland "assembly" rather than sourcing and making all components within the U.S. But there is every reason to proceed with this. The more pieces of the process we can bring home and control, the better.
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You're right! There are hardly any companies that can build something from start to finish all in one place. Somehow it's cheaper to stamp out a bunch of shapes, ship them across the ocean where they are assembled into subcomponents, then shipped across another ocean where they are assembled into larger subcomponents, then shipped to some place maybe in the US where they do final assembly.
In WWII we could turn out a B17 or B24 every hour... aluminum sheets go in one end, a large very complex plane comes out the other. Now, it's all logistics moving bits and pieces around. Much like Germany in WWII because we bombed their big factories to scrap. Decentralization and logistics was all they had. Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only detaches us from foreign entanglements, but it also brings manufacturing expertise back.
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You're right! There are hardly any companies that can build something from start to finish all in one place. Somehow it's cheaper to stamp out a bunch of shapes, ship them across the ocean where they are assembled into subcomponents, then shipped across another ocean where they are assembled into larger subcomponents, then shipped to some place maybe in the US where they do final assembly.
In WWII we could turn out a B17 or B24 every hour... aluminum sheets go in one end, a large very complex plane comes out the other. Now, it's all logistics moving bits and pieces around. Much like Germany in WWII because we bombed their big factories to scrap. Decentralization and logistics was all they had. Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only detaches us from foreign entanglements, but it also brings manufacturing expertise back.
That's the goal. But it's a massive undertaking. I'm not even sure we have the human resources to do it.