PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) => Topic started by: Rush on June 12, 2025, 02:27:44 PM
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Interesting point about the RAT. Lots of speculation about flaps being up. And lots of birds around that airport.
https://x.com/PlanesOfLegend/status/1933165930508362169
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Preliminary report, I haven’t bothered to verify it. I trust this X account.
https://x.com/airmainengineer/status/1943777337083895967
Preliminary report for Air India is out. Here are main excerpts:
- 08:08:42: Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec
- In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff.
The other pilot responded that he did not do so.
- 08:08:52: Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN
- 08:08:56: the Engine 2 fuel cutoff switch also
transitions from CUTOFF to RUN
The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core
deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. Engine 2 was able to
relight but could not arrest core speed deceleration and re-introduced fuel repeatedly to
increase core speed acceleration and recovery.
- The EAFR recording stopped at 08:09:11
UTC
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Suicide by airplane.
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Suicide by airplane.
Kinda looks that way.
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Or the locking feature was disengaged and Air India failed to inspect and correct? Then somebody bumped them by accident?
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This guy is convinced it was deliberate:
https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1944210663288844632
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Suicide by airplane.
No it's mass murder
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No it's mass murder
That's what I thought. Or more correctly "suicide/mas murder". The plane didn't do anything on its own.
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The initial report:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2025/07/12/original/Preliminary_Report_VT-ANB_1752290173899.pdf
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And there we have it.
https://nypost.com/2025/07/14/world-news/doomed-air-india-pilots-medical-records-probed-amid-reports-of-depression-other-mental-health-struggles/
Medical records for an Air India pilot killed in last month’s crash were reportedly turned over to investigators amid reports he’d been suffering from depression and other mental health issues.
Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, 56, was the lead pilot when the London-bound Boeing 787 Dreamliner went down in Ahmedabad on June 12, killing 241 people on board and leaving just one survivor.
Sabharwal, who had more than 15,000 flying hours under his belt at the time of the tragedy, had taken medical leave in recent years due to apparent mental health woes, the Telegraph reported.
“I have heard from several Air India pilots who told me he had some depression and mental health issues,” said Mohan Ranganathan, a leading Indian aviation safety expert.
“He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years. He had taken medical leave for that.”
The report comes as Air India’s CEO pushed back on initial crash investigation findings that pilot error involving fuel cut-off switches may have caused the crash.
Sabharwal had also taken bereavement leave following the 2022 death of his mom and had recently been weighing retirement to care for his aging father, according to the Telegraph.
The pilot, who underwent a medical exam in September last year, would have been given clearance to return to work, Ranganathan said.
“He must have been medically cleared by the company [Air India] doctors. They must have given the clearance certificate,” he said.
It comes after a preliminary report into the tragedy found that the jet’s engine fuel cutoff switch had been flipped just three seconds after taking off.
It is still unclear how or why the switch was flipped.
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Too soon?
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8258.0;attach=4855;image)
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Too soon?
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8258.0;attach=4855;image)
LOL! Apparently not.
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It was intentional. Capt knew at that critical point n departure the engines wouldn’t have time to spool back up. The switches have to pulled up and then moved to either run or cutoff. Fair amount of spring tension when pulling the switch up.
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It was intentional. Capt knew at that critical point n departure the engines wouldn’t have time to spool back up. The switches have to pulled up and then moved to either run or cutoff. Fair amount of spring tension when pulling the switch up.
I am completely convinced it was intentional and it was the depressed, getting ready to quit flying so he could caretake an elderly parent Captain, who did it, not the young FO who was a couple of months away from getting married whose friends all said he was a happy optimistic guy.
😡
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You'd think there would be a two-part step at least to completely shut off the engines
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You'd think there would be a two-part step at least to completely shut off the engines
Something like pull the throttles to idle, wait five seconds, and then you can shut off fuel. There should be no reason to shut off fuel with the throttles up. If you really, really need to shut off an engine, pull the fire handle. With the throttle back before cutting off the fuel, then the person warming the other seat should notice something not right.