PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on June 21, 2025, 05:15:07 PM
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But what kind of bombs?
https://x.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1936573772821049418
Truth Social is down?
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AP is reporting the same, so it appears confirmed.
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Excellent.
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Bunker busters I assume?
From earlier, AP:
Multiple U.S. aerial refueling tankers were spotted on commercial flight trackers flying flight patterns consistent with escorting aircraft from the central U.S. to the Pacific.
B-2 bombers, which are the only aircraft that carry the large bunker buster bombs, are based at an Air Force base in Missouri. It was not clear whether the aircraft being escorted early Saturday were prepared for an operation or merely moving to airbases closer to Iran as a show of force.
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It will be interesting to see what the damage ended up being.
Would one of these things be able to take out a US nuclear missile silo?
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They can have a nuclear payload or not. I am assuming the ones he dropped did NOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker_buster#Nuclear
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It will be interesting to see what the damage ended up being.
Would one of these things be able to take out a US nuclear missile silo?
I think it would have to be a nuclear one. Or multiple strikes with conventional ones. But wthdik?
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So we think the Iranian nuclear facilities are not as hardened as our missile silos? I guess that could be.
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From Wikipedia. “Iranian underground nuclear facilities
It is unclear whether the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) can reliably destroy Iran’s nuclear sites at Fordow and the most recent halls at Natanz, which are thought to lie more than 80 m (260 ft) underground; the original Natanz enrichment plant sits roughly 20 m (66 ft) below the surface.
The MOP is reportedly able to penetrate about 60 m (200 ft) of earth or 18 m (59 ft) of reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa).[34][35] Iranian domestic research has produced concrete exceeding 30,000 psi (210 MPa), a level that could sharply reduce the bomb’s effective penetration depth.[38] Complicating matters further are the weapon’s guidance accuracy in a GPS-jamming environment[39] and the possibility of deflection or yaw caused by advanced bunker-shell construction techniques.[40][41]”
It will be _very_ interesting to see the results of this bombing.
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Glad I got some sleep before reading this. Of course, we have no real way of knowing anything.
https://voxday.net/2025/06/22/team-trump-and-bibi/
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From Wikipedia. “Iranian underground nuclear facilities
It is unclear whether the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) can reliably destroy Iran’s nuclear sites at Fordow and the most recent halls at Natanz, which are thought to lie more than 80 m (260 ft) underground; the original Natanz enrichment plant sits roughly 20 m (66 ft) below the surface.
The MOP is reportedly able to penetrate about 60 m (200 ft) of earth or 18 m (59 ft) of reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa).[34][35] Iranian domestic research has produced concrete exceeding 30,000 psi (210 MPa), a level that could sharply reduce the bomb’s effective penetration depth.[38] Complicating matters further are the weapon’s guidance accuracy in a GPS-jamming environment[39] and the possibility of deflection or yaw caused by advanced bunker-shell construction techniques.[40][41]”
It will be _very_ interesting to see the results of this bombing.
Unfortunately if they did not successfully destroy Iran’s capability of achieving 90% enriched Uranium any time soon, we are going to have to follow up with more attacks. If you are going to use violence to kill an opponent’s ability to fight, you’d better succeed, otherwise all you’ve done is piss them off.
This was a risk, but obviously Trump weighed it against the risk of doing nothing, and he is privy to information we aren’t. Let’s hope he was right.
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Glad I got some sleep before reading this. Of course, we have no real way of knowing anything.
https://voxday.net/2025/06/22/team-trump-and-bibi/
Iran state radio wouldn’t lie.
Seriously, at this point it is he said she said. We have no way of knowing for sure. I certainly hope Trump wouldn’t tell us “have been completely destroyed” without being pretty certain.
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And, there is nothing you or I could do that would matter or change things. It is what it is. We do know, had Kamela been President, nothing would have happened.
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Each B-2 carries 2 of those bombs. Probably dropped one bomb then the second bomb thru the hole the first bomb made, thereby penetrating deeper and hopefully took out the facility. But I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night so who knows.
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According to Hannity:
I just spoke to the President of the United States. I have some new information [and] breaking details to share about tonight's what is historic air campaign. Now tonight, Iran's nuclear ambitions, they are officially dead.
It appears the United States, just completely obliterated Iran's top secret, Fordow nuclear facility, with six huge bunker buster bombs. It was originally speculated that you would only need two. It turns out they used five to six, dropped from America's stealth B-2 bombers.
And that's not all. Two other major Iranian nuclear sites, Natanz and Isfahan, were wiped out with 30 Tomahawk missiles, launched by American submarines some 400 miles away.
Everyone is out of harm's way for now.
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And, there is nothing you or I could do that would matter or change things. It is what it is. We do know, had Kamela been President, nothing would have happened.
Oh something would have happened alright. Iran would have the bomb, and then continue funding terrorism in the MidEast and here. Maybe they would drop one on Israel. We’d end up in war anyway.
What Trump did was risky but hopefully got ahead of it: Hit Iran when it was weak; already on its knees from Israel’s strikes (which was no doubt coordinated) and hopefully put an end to it. We might have some violent tantrums from sleeper cells in the U.S. and elsewhere but Iran was a state sponsor of terror, and had to be neutralized.
We will deal with the consequences and there is a risk this might hurt the midterms but decisions like this are always a calculated risk.
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What I heard was there was a big show of sending tankers across the pacific, letting Iran think they had at least a day before bombing. Then the B2s went East and hit them a day early. Surprise!
Trump let house and senate leaders and various committee leaders know about the strikes. No democrats knew, so no leaks. Imagine that!
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What I heard was there was a big show of sending tankers across the pacific, letting Iran think they had at least a day before bombing. Then the B2s went East and hit them a day early. Surprise!
Trump let house and senate leaders and various committee leaders know about the strikes. No democrats knew, so no leaks. Imagine that!
Also the press secretary had just confirmed that Trump “will make a decision in two weeks.” Not by two weeks but in two weeks, iirc. I don’t know if she was privy to the plan, I highly doubt it, but that was some solid misdirection.
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In a discussion last night between Bill O’Reilly and a news person, I learned that ten minutes after hearing the news, AOC and some Congressman declared Trump must be impeached for this.
O’Reilly said AOC is “a cartoon.”
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In a discussion last night between Bill O’Reilly and a news person, I learned that ten minutes after hearing the news, AOC and some Congressman declared Trump must be impeached for this.
O’Reilly said AOC is “a cartoon.”
It does not seem impeachable to me under current law. What I would like to see is a return to the Senate must declare war before we are at war.
And yes, that would make these sort of “police actions” a lot harder to get into. I think that was the intention of the founders.
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How many times did FJB and Obamer bomb or drone other countries without a peep from those who are screaming now? Let's ask...
From Google AI:
Some sources indicate that the U.S. conducted over 500 drone strikes during Obama's eight years in office. Other reports suggest a figure closer to 1,878 drone strikes during his eight years. Obama also authorized other airstrikes in various countries, including Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. In 2016 alone, it's estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,171 bombs.
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https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1936762781430141298
I hope we always have someone in his position who deserves these nicknames. “Razin’ Caine 🇺🇸
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Also the press secretary had just confirmed that Trump “will make a decision in two weeks.” Not by two weeks but in two weeks, iirc. I don’t know if she was privy to the plan, I highly doubt it, but that was some solid misdirection.
If I Recall Correctly, the Press Secretary said that the President would make a decision within two weeks, which is quite different and reminds of how President Trump plays four D chess while the press wonders what happened.
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nope. The Executive branch can take military action, but can't declare war.
not an impeachable offense. " treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." - which one do YOU think applies
The left can say anything is a high crime. Trump removed the tag from his mattress.
I thought Peter said not an impeachable offense. Am I missing something?
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The left can say anything is a high crime. Trump removed the tag from his mattress.
I thought Peter said not an impeachable offense. Am I missing something?
My thought is he has NOT committed an impeachable offense.
I have not read enough about AOCs comment to know what she thinks it was. I don’t really care much what comes out of her mouth. I have an older MeWe contact that said the initials stood for “Alexandria Occasional Cortex”.
But the point that the language is vague is well taken. Essentially they can impeach anyone they want if they can get enough votes. But that is quite hard to do.
The whole point of the book “Three felonies a day” is that there are enough felonies on the books now to nail just about anyone, if the prosecutor is so motivated.
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I thought Peter said not an impeachable offense. Am I missing something?
oops. I misread it.
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My thought is he has NOT committed an impeachable offense.
I have not read enough about AOCs comment to know what she thinks it was. I don’t really care much what comes out of her mouth. I have an older MeWe contact that said the initials stood for “Alexandria Occasional Cortex”.
But the point that the language is vague is well taken. Essentially they can impeach anyone they want if they can get enough votes. But that is quite hard to do.
The whole point of the book “Three felonies a day” is that there are enough felonies on the books now to nail just about anyone, if the prosecutor is so motivated.
I think the Alexandria Occasional Cortex originated with Rush Limbaugh. At least I hear his voice in my head whenever I see it.
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If I Recall Correctly, the Press Secretary said that the President would make a decision within two weeks, which is quite different and reminds of how President Trump plays four D chess while the press wonders what happened.
She may have said within and I didn’t hear the “with” part because I am deaf as a post. I also kept wondering why Ben Shapiro was talking about Trump dropping bunker busters on Florida.
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She may have said within and I didn’t hear the “with” part because I am deaf as a post. I also kept wondering why Ben Shapiro was talking about Trump dropping bunker busters on Florida.
Disney World?
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Disney World?
Ha! No, he was saying Fordow.
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Let's pause for a moment and remember how we got here:
Democrat Hillary Clinton supplied Iran with Uranium to enrich their nuclear program
Democrat Obama shipped Iran $1.7 BILLION of cash on pallets, which was undoubtedly used to advance their nuclear program.
Democrat Obama entered into the JCPA deal which allowed Iran to be on the path to developing a nuclear weapon
Democrat Joe Cadaver unfroze $16 BILLION of Iran funds which they used to advance their nuclear program.
Democrat Joe Cadaver announced that he will no longer enforce the strict oil sanctions put in place by Trump 45 which brought Iran's economy to its knees. As a result of Joe Cadaver's lifting of the sanctions, Iran amassed over $100 BILLION in oil revenue
Anyone see a pattern here?
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Yep, and now Trump is “starting a war.” I’m pretty disappointed in a lot of erstwhile Trump supporters who are now dumping him.
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How many times did FJB and Obamer bomb or drone other countries without a peep from those who are screaming now? Let's ask...
From Google AI:
Some sources indicate that the U.S. conducted over 500 drone strikes during Obama's eight years in office. Other reports suggest a figure closer to 1,878 drone strikes during his eight years. Obama also authorized other airstrikes in various countries, including Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. In 2016 alone, it's estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,171 bombs.
Don't forget Obama ordered the death of an American citizen without due process. Granted he wad a terrorist who deserved it, but the "nobody is above the law" crowd need to STFU. Everytime they open their mouths I'm stunned that the things they say today are dumber than what they said yesterday.
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Back to Iran:
From BBC:
Trump says Iran and Israel have agreed to ceasefire
published at 18:13
18:13
Breaking
US President Donald Trump has announced a "complete and total" ceasefire between Israel and Iran on social media.
Trump says the ceasefire will begin "in approximately six hours from now" after each country has "wound down" their military operations.
This is major. Iran is no longer an imminent nuclear threat. Nobody thought it would be possible. But due to Trump, it is.
Now let's see if the MSM gives him credit. (ha).
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Back to Iran:
From BBC:
This is major. Iran is no longer an imminent nuclear threat. Nobody thought it would be possible. But due to Trump, it is.
Now let's see if the MSM gives him credit. (ha).
I'm not sure whether you're referring to the ceasefire or to the successful strikes, but the strikes have been reported straight by at least NPR and WSJ, and even PBS interviewed some talking heads this evening that sounded pretty objective to me, rather than critical of Trump.
Personally, I think this attack is the first foreign policy move of Trump's new term that deserves major props from the entire Western world. Whether it turns out to have been the best move in 20/20 hindsight or not, the man made an assessment of the risks and possible benefits and made a solid, reasonable call.
I'm not a big fan of DJT, but I say give credit where credit is due. Well done, Mr. President.
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https://x.com/catturd2/status/1937991773957288182
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I think the Alexandria Occasional Cortex originated with Rush Limbaugh. At least I hear his voice in my head whenever I see it.
No it's Michale Savage